[Genisis]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Evolution is labeled as theory, but in science, theory is weighed HIGHER than facts are because theories explain facts. There is more than enough evidence for micro and macro evolution all around us. Evolution is happening right now - in E.Coli, fishes, camels, humans, etc. We were eukaryotie cells, we were lobe finned fish, we were reptiles, mammals, and we are cousins of cercopithecoids. That is truth. That is empirical.

What also is truth is how we all originate from the first homo-sapien 200,000 years ago. Scientists know that thanks to mitochonrial DNA. Isn't that amazing how you can purpose a hypothesis, find evidence for it, label it a theory and then be able to explain it? Yep, thanks to the smartest people in the world (who overwhelmingly happen to be atheist) we are able to understand that we all originate from one African woman older than your god.

How does it feel to know that centuries can pass, and you people still practice sun worship? That's all christianity is. What do you think christmas is? You stole that holiday from the pagans. You stole your image of god from the Greeks. Nothing about your religion is remotely original. Your prophet has been said to be able to do the EXACT same thing other prophets were said to do thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago. Mellenia can pass, and you people still advocate a man written book that speaks on behalf of slavery, misogyny, murder, and torture? You should be ashamed and embarrassed of yourselves.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Look at yourself in the mirror and realize that YOU are what is wrong in this world. There will be no peace until the majority turns atheist. You religious type are waiting days after day for santa claus to come into town, sing a song, and make the rapture happen, sacrificing men and women in the name of your own benefit. Wouldn't this be a little better of a world if we had a president that didn't hear god speak to him and wasn't so willing to send our soldiers to war seeing how he believes they will die and go to heaven?

NOT only war, but the protest and criminalization of stem cell research is killing millions of humans that we could be curing. You know the one family member with cancer? It could be over with. It is virtually impossible to speak in hyperbole of the blessings stem cell research.

I'll leave you with a simple question. I simply ask of you to answer it off the top of your sick, demented head. Hopefully this wont be too hard for you achieve. Where have modern day dogs come from? Was it your god?

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

atheist who isn't an impressionable self-righteous bible thumping christian.

Isn't that kind of redundant?

As to the rest of your post: Go back and read what previous posters have already said. Specifically the one by One-Eyed Jack. I think you're missing the point of the discussion.

[Genisis]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

/yawn. No.

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

/yawn. No.

Then don't bother posting an argument. I know all that reading must be so strenuous on your little mind but if you struggle through it maybe you'll be caught up with the rest of the class!

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

EnigmaticHarpoMarx: "You make a reference to the Earth as an 18 year old kid and that God had to give him memories but I really don't see why God would need to make him that age in the first place. Why couldn't God just start the earth, better yet the whole universe, from the beginning."

Good question. I don't know the intent of God.

Maybe He thought, 2.5 billion years of algae and protozoa before we get to interesting animals...what a bore. I'll just start it with the clock at 4.5 billion minus 6000, and go from there.

Can eternal, omniscient Beings suffer from ADHD? It would explain a lot...

But I jest.

I don't know God's intentions on this. The Bible makes it sound like mankind is the centerpiece of creation, so maybe He just figured nothing that came before man mattered.

Another poster on another thread said that a perfect Being would not need to create the universe. Perfection is self-contained and needs nothing else. I speculated that perhaps a perfect mind might need to externalize the complex elements of its own psyche. It might be a sort of aesthetic requirement of perfection or something.

I'm not perfect (or so my woman-friends tell me), so I can only guess.

If the purpose of God's creation is that psychic externalization, thousands of millennia of single-celled organisms are just irrelevant. Jeez...would you represent your mighty psychic struggle between good and evil as...billions of years of rock slime?

There are good arguments against what I just wrote, too (God is not ADHD, that was a joke; as an eternal and timeless Being it would be all the same to him if man was there at the beginning or if it took 4.5 billion years to get around to man. Or, if God's creation stems from God's perfection, falsity would be excluded...if rocks appear to be billions of years old then that must be true since perfection is truth and not false appearances. Etc.)

I suppose we can only fall back on our faith in the mighty and omniscient God, and assume that -- like the baker who put strychnine in the muffins -- He had His reasons.

~~ OEJ

[ultima]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Does the Bible say Divine dictation is how it was written?

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Most of the Bible was recorded in the revelations given to the major prophets. However, God Himself is the source of His holy Word.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The Gospels are word-for-word transcriptions of what Jesus said, taken down on steno pads by His apostles. They also recorded what Jesus did.

Now, (big sigh) I must again mention that the King James Bible is the definitive source of scripture.

About 450 different English-language versions of the Bible have existed. As a pragmatic matter we have to choose a definitive one; as a matter of aesthetics it is clear to me that the King James is the best-written (it's the Shakespeare of scripture); as a matter of faith the King James is the version which God inspired.

~~ OEJ

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

I suppose we can only fall back on our faith in the mighty and omniscient God, and assume that -- like the baker who put strychnine in the muffins -- He had His reasons.

Honestly, I have no opinion on this matter but I think I'm starting to find a pattern in how these creation science threads boil down. A disappointing answer, yet one that cannot be argued (at least not truely argued) without disproving the existance of God. Something that I have found to be more trouble than it's worth.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Yeah.

In point of fact, the moral argument boils down to the same answer.

So do the historical questions, quite often -- for instance, some pencil-neck archaeologists question whether Moses existed. Christians don't have much in the way of collaborative evidence that he did, so that too comes down to a matter of faith.

But what would religion be if not faith?

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23

If rational empiricism is the backbone of science, unquestioning faith is the backbone of religion.

Think about it: if you are voting in any election in the next year or two, who do you want representing you?

1. A rational empiricist, who bases his policies on mere worldly evidence and fallible human logic?

2. Or a religious man who knows what is right, despite any contrary evidence, because his faith tells him what to believe?

Praise the Lord! The choice is clear! Historically, righteous men of faith make the best leaders! Just look at the greatest US president of the modern era: George W. Bush!

Think about it when you go to the polls.
~~ OEJ

[Duvenoy]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Yeah.

In point of fact, the moral argument boils down to the same answer.

So do the historical questions, quite often -- for instance, some pencil-neck archaeologists question whether Moses existed. Christians don't have much in the way of collaborative evidence that he did, so that too comes down to a matter of faith.

But what would religion be if not faith?

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23

If rational empiricism is the backbone of science, unquestioning faith is the backbone of religion.

Think about it: if you are voting in any election in the next year or two, who do you want representing you?

1. A rational empiricist, who bases his policies on mere worldly evidence and fallible human logic?

2. Or a religious man who knows what is right, despite any contrary evidence, because his faith tells him what to believe?

Praise the Lord! The choice is clear! Historically, righteous men of faith make the best leaders! Just look at the greatest US president of the modern era: George W. Bush!

Think about it when you go to the polls.
~~ OEJ

Quite so, quite so. The legacy of our Godly president will resound through the coming ages as one so unique that it cannot ever be matched.

Job: 39:27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
39:28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
39:29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
39:30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.

There. That should put paid to this evilution nonsense once & for all! The eagle doth not put herself at anyone's beck & call, be it scientist or ruler, or even a churchman. Only God of Abraham commands the eagle.

doov

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Why do you say organisms do not exist, when we see them in our schools microscopes?

When I look through a kaleidoscope, I can see pretty colours. Does that mean that when God uses the AIDS to kill queers and negroes and suchlike undesirables, he uses pretty colours to do so? Don't be absurd.

I'm sorry sir but, is everything you read must have a Bible reference? The Bible doesn't talk about the Gravity Theory, but still, it is surely what you believe in.

It's a pretty controversial subject.

So apparently this Bible was divinely dictated. What about parts where God was explaining things people had no concept of or idea about. Such as dinosaurs or evolution. Is it not possible that they dumbed down the ideas to make sense to the general public or to themselves? How would you write about things you had no words for? You wouldn't.

When Charles Darwin sat down with Satan to write the Origin of Species, there was no word for evolution, but that didn't stop them now did it? There goes your argument.

What proof? Show me this proof. And what are you talking about, Christ walking on water or raising people from the dead has no relevance to Evolution. So next time dont bring up something that has nothing to to with the topic.

No, it's perfectly relevant. Christ walking on water is scientifically impossible, so this example proves that there's something very wrong with science.

Bobby-joe assumes that a child never exposed to religion will go to hell. But in the eyes of god all children are innocent.

Where in the Bible does it say that?
Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.


Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

So your idea is wrong billy joe. How could God be so negative to someone who never even had the fair chance to understand religion like you? He could be the most kind, caring, loving person to his family and the world. He could have sacrificed his own body to save someone close to him, but yet since he doesnt know Jesus as his savior he will spend a eternity in hell.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? It doesn't matter how nice you are, or how much you love God, if God wants to torture you then He'll torture you. Deal with it already.

Yep, thanks to the smartest people in the world (who overwhelmingly happen to be atheist) we are able to understand that we all originate from one African woman older than your god.

Friend, I know negresses are famer for their loose morals, but this just seems implausible. Who is this whorish old darkie you claim gave birth to everyone?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I know. The Bible's pretty extraordinary.

There will be no peace until the majority turns atheist.

Friend, in Cambodia, Red China and the Soviet Union, the majority were atheist. That's what atheism looks like in practise.

It is virtually impossible to speak in hyperbole of the blessings stem cell research.

It is totally possible, as proved by the fact that you're doing so. Not even all secular scientists believe in stem cell research. It's basically just a marketing gimmick, because selling aborted fetuses to perverted Jew scientists is more profitable than selling them to Chinese restaurants.

I'll leave you with a simple question. I simply ask of you to answer it off the top of your sick, demented head. Hopefully this wont be too hard for you achieve. Where have modern day dogs come from? Was it your god?

No, they come from other dogs. Where do you think modern day dogs come from? An old Africky woman? Are you some kind of a racist?

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Yeah.

In point of fact, the moral argument boils down to the same answer.

So do the historical questions, quite often -- for instance, some pencil-neck archaeologists question whether Moses existed. Christians don't have much in the way of collaborative evidence that he did, so that too comes down to a matter of faith.

But what would religion be if not faith?

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23

If rational empiricism is the backbone of science, unquestioning faith is the backbone of religion.

Think about it: if you are voting in any election in the next year or two, who do you want representing you?

1. A rational empiricist, who bases his policies on mere worldly evidence and fallible human logic?

2. Or a religious man who knows what is right, despite any contrary evidence, because his faith tells him what to believe?

Praise the Lord! The choice is clear! Historically, righteous men of faith make the best leaders! Just look at the greatest US president of the modern era: George W. Bush!

Think about it when you go to the polls.
~~ OEJ

Haha, I hope they pay you for that political propoganda! You do make some undeniable points though. Leaders are best when they have a higher goal to strive for though I will say that the goal need not be religion (though that tends to be the one that people most strongly adhere to).

Also I must agree to the fact when it come to matters of religion faith is a must and when it come to science empiricism is the key. This is all fine until they start treding into each other's territory. I say leave religion to the faithful and science to the scientists.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

If rational empiricism is the backbone of science, unquestioning faith is the backbone of religion.

Think about it: if you are voting in any election in the next year or two, who do you want representing you?

1. A rational empiricist, who bases his policies on mere worldly evidence and fallible human logic?

2. Or a religious man who knows what is right, despite any contrary evidence, because his faith tells him what to believe?

Praise the Lord! The choice is clear! Historically, righteous men of faith make the best leaders! Just look at the greatest US president of the modern era: George W. Bush!

Think about it when you go to the polls.
~~ OEJ

I'm sorry, but when you said George W. Bush was the greatest US president of the modern era, you were joking right? I'm not exactly up to date with my history of American politics, but I can safely say that your Mr. Bush, quite frankly, is a moron and I can also safely say that the rest of the world, including a large percentage of Americans would agree with me.

But don't get me wrong, when I say he's a moron, I don't just mean that from a political point of view. The man must have the IQ of a glass of water. How he ever became president, I'll never know. Unless of course I was to agree that his father fixed the elections.

knows what is right, despite any contrary evidence

How can you know something when proven evidence contradicts it?
I would rather be lead by someone who is able to use rational, logical and moral judgement to make the decisions which ultimately govern the nation's finances and affairs.
I would not be so confident if he broke open a 2000 year-old story book and based his choices on that.
When it comes to politics, we are not talking about the afterlife, we are talking about what happens in our lifetimes. Money governs everything.

As for the person who called the developers of that Mario game 'chinks', shame on you. You are the one who shall be condemned to eternal damnation.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

sAre you, Sir (or Madam), calling George W. Bush a m0r0n?

Sir! This is a man who, during his college studies at Yale, passed political science with solid grades of 73% in PS13a and 71% in PS14b. And he PASSED the advanced course PS48 on the pass-no-pass system, so let's have no caviling about his intelligence here!

This is a solid, solid lower-lower echelon performance.

Just because he cannot speak Spanglish competently is no reason to assume his IQ is, say, 9 points below the national average. Besides, many a hardworking dullard has made important contributions to the sciences, the arts, and to the trimming of ever-encroaching Texas brush.

So impugn not America's beloved president.

He is a Christian man who prays regularly, and one may yet hope he recants the errant Methodist sect and becomes a True Christian Baptist.

~~ OEJ

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

I'm sorry, but when you said George W. Bush was the greatest US president of the modern era, you were joking right?

I wouldn't joke about something like that.

I'm not exactly up to date with my history of American politics

But I bet that won't stop you from running your mouth.

but I can safely say that your Mr. Bush, quite frankly, is a mormon and I can also safely say that the rest of the world, including a large percentage of Americans would agree with me.

Looks like I won my bet.

But don't get me wrong,

You got wrong all by yourself, don't try to pin the blame on me.

when I say he's a mormon, I don't just mean that from a political point of view. The man must have the IQ of a glass of water. How he ever became president, I'll never know. Unless of course I was to agree that his father fixed the elections.

As usual, you have no factual basis for what you say, so instead you resort to ad hominem attacks and retread conspiracy theories. If you want people to take you seriously, then get back on the medications and try to season your arguments with at least a shred of fact every now and then. Opinions are not facts. Especially yours.

How can you know something when proven evidence contradicts it?

If I say something and the Bible contradicts it, of course I will retract that statement. Unlike you, I don't think that every word that I utter is God's honest truth. I make lots of mistakes. But not in this case.

I would rather be lead by someone who is able to use rational, logical and moral judgement to make the decisions which ultimately govern the nation's finances and affairs.

If you can't see how profoundly logical and moral our President is, then it's a damned good thing that our Presidents are chosen by George H. W. Bush and not by morons like you.

I would not be so confident if he broke open a 2000 year-old story book and based his choices on that.

Then, in addition to being an idiot who can't produce a single fact to back up your arguments, you will burn in Hell.

When it comes to politics, we are not talking about the afterlife, we are talking about what happens in our lifetimes.

No shit.

Money governs everything.

Except your mouth. Obviously, nothing governs that.