[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

If the Native Americans had never been exposed to the teachings of Christ, why has God condemned them?

Why did God make Injuns into savage, drunken redskins? Obviously the first Injuns did something to anger the Lord enough that He cursed them for generations. Much like Nigras carry with them the curse of Ham.

Anyway, on topic...

http://www.conservapedia.com/Theory_of_Evolution

The theory of evolution posits a process of self-transformation from simple life forms to more complex life forms, which has never been observed or duplicated in a laboratory.[7][8] Although not a creation scientist Swedish geneticist, Dr. Heribert Nilsson, Professor of Botany at the University of Lund in Sweden, stated: "My attempts to demonstrate Evolution by an experiment carried on for more than 40 years have completely failed. At least, I should hardly be accused of having started from a preconceived antievolutionary standpoint."[9]
In respect to the creation versus evolution controversy, the fossil record does not support the theory of evolution and is one of the flaws in theory of evolution.[10][11][12] Even evolutionist Mark Ridley, who currently serves as a professor of zoology at Oxford, stated the following: "In any case, no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil record as evidence in favour of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation."[13] The fossil record will be discussed in greater detail in regards to why the fossil record does not support the theory of evolution and is decidedly counter evidence to the evolutionary position.

Even honest ScIeNtists agree that evilution is fake!

Case closed!

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Why did God make Injuns into savage, drunken redskins? Obviously the first Injuns did something to anger the Lord enough that He cursed them for generations. Much like Nigras carry with them the curse of Ham.

Anyway, on topic...

http://www.conservapedia.com/Theory_of_Evolution


Even honest ScIeNtists agree that evilution is fake!

Case closed!

If you actually read what was written there and understood the theory of evolution you fnd that you are wrong.
The quotes in that excerpt indicate that over a 40-year period, in a laboratory, one man failed to actively replicate the process of evolution. The theory of evolution proposes that evolution is a process which occurs over incredibly long periods of time by means of natural selection. 40 years in a lab is neither long nor natural.
The other part says that fossils have yet to provide conclusive evidence for evolution. So what? 100 years ago there was no conclusive evidence of DNA, but now, with a powerful enough microscope we can physically see DNA, even extract it from cells.
Just because something is currently undiscovered, it doesn't mean that it is necassarily fake.
Next contestant.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

If the Native Americans had never been exposed to the teachings of Christ, why has God condemned them?

Because all humanity is so evil we are damned to Hell unless we accept Jesus. The fall of Adam thing, remember that? Indians aren’t animals, just people like you and me. That means they are under Adam’s Curse too.

Why would they attempt to reach something they didn't know or even imagine existed?

How can they not know? They came from the Old World originally. Even the secularist concede that with their absurd date of the Indians arriving in America 4,000 years before the world was created. The Indians chose to get as far from God as possible.

If a child is locked in an empty cupboard for its entire life, is never exposed to religion or the teachings of our saviour, does that make him sinful?

Yes, ALL are sinful and worthy of Hell friend unless the repent. You claim to be a Christian this is basic Christian theology. Nobody is an innocent. Remember even Jesus Himself had to repent and be baptized. If the Son of God is under the curse of Adam's sin then American Indians clearly are.

Surely Jesus taught in the hope that His good word would spread, as opposed to condemning those who have yet to hear it?

As I said before everyone was condemned long before with Adam. Jesus only showed up to save those God has decided in His mercy were redeemable. It if God who says we humans are hideously evil and He should know since He created us.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

I'm not sure if Cobaltos, the original starter of this thread, is still checking in on it, but if he is...

Let us imagine that a simple experiment could be performed which would show that the mechanisms of evolution -- it's tools -- either function to change the form of organisms over time, or that they fail miserably.

(As a literate fellow, you know that these tools are heritablity of traits, selection of breeding stock, and natural variation.)

Let us suppose that such experiments had been carried out by mankind for several thousand years, using as raw material -- hypothetically -- the ancestral dog. If such experiments were successful, then one would expect to see today dogs of all shapes and sizes produced by those who used selection of breeding stock, heritablity of traits, and natural variation to their advantage.

The evidence is in on that one.

Fortunately, dogs are all one species and can interbreed, so although a rational person might claim proof of concept with regards to evolution, a person of faith can still deny that the differences between a dachshund and a doberman pinscher have anything to do with evolution at all.

So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:21

God created all creatures just as they are -- according to their kinds. Period. Slam dunk. Let's call it a day and go out for ice-cream.

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Let us also note that in America over half of the population believe that Darwin was wrong and creationism is right. Worldwide the figure is in the low single digits.

That is why America is God's favorite nation.

Creationism! Remember, it's not spelled cretinism anymore! And it's just the way God wants it.

~~ OEJ

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Well, Sacha, I think you're dead wrong, but you seem to be a thoughtful, open-minded person who is honestly seeking the truth. We think that we are that way, too. So let's explore how our views differ from yours:

The quotes in that excerpt indicate that over a 40-year period, in a laboratory, one man failed to actively replicate the process of evolution. The theory of evolution proposes that evolution is a process which occurs over incredibly long periods of time by means of natural selection. 40 years in a lab is neither long nor natural.

That's very convenient. How, exactly, is evolution by natural selection a scientific theory if there's no way to test it? Can you name a single other scientific theory that is still widely believed even in the absence of evidence for 40 (well, really 150) years?

The other part says that fossils have yet to provide conclusive evidence for evolution. So what? 100 years ago there was no conclusive evidence of DNA, but now, with a powerful enough microscope we can physically see DNA, even extract it from cells.

Now I see. It's kind of like how, 100 years ago, there was no conclusive evidence that the Moon was made of cheese, but now, with a powerful enough telescope, we can... oh, wait, the Moon really isn't made of cheese. The logic is exatly the same. Being unable to test a hypothesis with current technology is not an argument that the hypothesis is correct. It's just an argument that the hypothesis is not scientific.

To be a little less flippant, there were lots of people 100 years ago who thought that the genetic material was protein (nobody that I know of even speculated that it was in the nucleic acids). They didn't have the technology to test their idea. That didn't prove their idea wrong. But it was wrong, nevertheless.

Just because something is currently undiscovered, it doesn't mean that it is necassarily fake.

That is true. But I thought the whole point of science, and most "scientific" arguments against religion, was that you don't accept a hypothesis until you have evidence to prove it. Isn't that just basic logic?

Unlike evolutionists, we do have real proof that the Bible is true. It's called prophesy.

We believe that the Bible is the Word of God, that every single word is 100% correct. So, if even one prophesy in the Bible is false, then I will concede that nothing in the Bible is true. But I have yet to hear any scientist (or anyone else) show that any of our prophecies is wrong.

At the same time, many of the Biblical prophecies have come true. Now, I've read every book that Darwin wrote (yes, including the treatise on earthworms). Nowhere did Darwin, writing in the 19th Century, predict anything as unlikely as the formation of the nation of Israel (he didn't any evidence for his theory either, though he did talk at great length about the breeding of pigeons). Yet the prophet Isaiah predicted this very thing 3,000 years ago:

Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. Isaiah 43:5-6

So, Isaiah said, he will bring the Jews from the east and west (almost all Middle Eastern Jews migrated to Israel shortly after it became a nation). He will tell the north and south to let their Jews return to Israel (both Russia to the north, and Ethiopia to the south, had to be persuaded before they let Jews leave). This is all pretty specific stuff.

You can see how 99 other Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled HERE.

Next contestant.

Right back at you.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

If you actually read what was written there and understood the theory of evolution you fnd that you are wrong.
The quotes in that excerpt indicate that over a 40-year period, in a laboratory, one man failed to actively replicate the process of evolution. The theory of evolution proposes that evolution is a process which occurs over incredibly long periods of time by means of natural selection. 40 years in a lab is neither long nor natural.
The other part says that fossils have yet to provide conclusive evidence for evolution. So what? 100 years ago there was no conclusive evidence of DNA, but now, with a powerful enough microscope we can physically see DNA, even extract it from cells.
Just because something is currently undiscovered, it doesn't mean that it is necassarily fake.
Next contestant.

So you're saying you believe whatever nonsense ScIeNtists feed you without any actual proof? How ridiculous! If they told you that the universe is millions of years old without having any shred of real evidence, would you believe that too? Or what about the theory that evilution started when there was nothing in the universe except for one tiny little ball, then that just exploded all by itself and everything came into being? You don't care how silly any of this sounds, do you? Not as long as it gives you an excuse to further turn your back on God!
Anyway, as I said earlier, case closed. Any more yammering on this subject despite how you've been proven wrong without a shadow of a doubt just shows how badly Satan as scrambled your brain.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Sister Mary Maria is right: scientists are inherently irrational. The effects of education have undermined their ability to think about God's truth.

The following statistics are a little out-of-date but they make the point.

0.2% of professional American scientists believe in creationism.
65% of American high-school droppouts believe in creationism.

Higher education is indeed a high-road to a low place...HELL!

Unless young people choose a good institution like Bob Jones University, they run the risk of being turned away from the truth of Jesus by secular evil-thinkers.

~~ OEJ

[ultima]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

So you're saying you believe whatever nonsense ScIeNtists feed you without any actual proof? How ridiculous! If they told you that the universe is millions of years old without having any shred of real evidence, would you believe that too? Or what about the theory that evilution started when there was nothing in the universe except for one tiny little ball, then that just exploded all by itself and everything came into being? You don't care how silly any of this sounds, do you? Not as long as it gives you an excuse to further turn your back on God!
Anyway, as I said earlier, case closed. Any more yammering on this subject despite how you've been proven wrong without a shadow of a doubt just shows how badly Satan as scrambled your brain.

chriStIaNs
Hey guys, I can do it too!!!
Take a look around before you make foolish assumptions and try to determine the hidden meanings of words. It's the same with that stupid Super Mario game. It doesn't make you look intelligent, it makes you look like you look a little on the ignorant side. The English language was created over thousands of years, what in the world makes you the linguistic authority to capitalize letters in a weak effort to add legitimacy to your claims?

That out of the way, I myself am a Christian. How could I capitalize such letters to make a mockery of my faith you ask? The truth is, it doesn't make a mockery of my faith because it has no legitimacy. The same goes with your clever little way of spelling 'evolution' as 'evilution'. Congratulations, I can tell your one of the 65% dropouts. Your parents must have been proud.

"Case closed" you claim?
I'm sorry, you mustn't have read a single post in this thread other than your own because the subject is still open to much discussion. Nothing has been proved on either side.

I agree with the thread starter in that, why do many Christians take it upon themselves to condemn evolution without another thought? The fact of the matter is that it isn't entirely impossible that evolution exists. It's been neither proved nor disproved as a law. Is it not possible that an omnipotent, and completely powerful God could not have used evolution as a tool for the creation of man? Why is that so hard to believe? God is all powerful, he could have done it however he pleased.

Carbon dating has been proving that the world is millions of years old. Please, do not give me crap about some conspiracy between scientists to keep you all in the dark about this. When numerous divisions of scientists determine the same results independently from each other, I'd say it's grounds for a solid conclusion. A conclusion that the world was not created a few thousand years ago. I don't understand why it's so hard to believe this just because it's not listed in the Bible. Maybe it is true that everything in the Bible is true, I suppose that's up to personal interpretation. But can there be truths that were not explained in the Bible? Why can't something have happened that wasn't in the Bible? Answer me that.

Now please, if you choose to argue with my post, do so carefully and methodically. Don't tell me all discussion is over without qualifying your reasons. Don't ask my for proof without providing your own.

--Thank you for your time, ultima.

[Vance Renadi]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

look, for anyone who wishes to be informed here, evolution does/did happen, Humans were created seperatly(spelling) but everything else that was created along side them HAS evolved, just not the way modern anti-religious scientists think, the genes don't randomly change, at least not in any of the social animals, yet they have changed, want to know how, god decides what the genes do, and he can decide that they behave different anytime, and he does

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

I myself am a Christian..."Case closed" you claim?
I'm sorry, you mustn't have read a single post in this thread other than your own because the subject is still open to much discussion. Nothing has been proved on either side...Carbon dating has been proving that the world is millions of years old. Please, do not give me crap about some conspiracy between scientists to keep you all in the dark about this. When numerous divisions of scientists determine the same results independently from each other, I'd say it's grounds for a solid conclusion. A conclusion that the world was not created a few thousand years ago. I don't understand why it's so hard to believe this just because it's not listed in the Bible. Maybe it is true that everything in the Bible is true, I suppose that's up to personal interpretation. But can there be truths that were not explained in the Bible? Why can't something have happened that wasn't in the Bible? Answer me that.

When you start out the discussion with a lie, there is no further room to go. You are not a Christian. If you were, you would believe the truth of the Bible instead of whatever nonsense is fed to you by ScIeNtists and other Satan worshippers to lead you away from Jesus. You're so befuddled by the lies you don't even understand what they're trying to tell you!
Seeing as you won't believe a Christian source, I'll even give you someone from your own monkey-loving side telling you that you just said something very stupid.

The best-known absolute dating technique is carbon-14 dating, which archaeologists prefer to use. However, the half-life of carbon-14 is only 5730 years, so the method cannot be used for materials older than about 70,000 years.

Even though "carbon dating" is completely unreliable, even your "priests" admit that it doesn't prove the world is millions of years old!
But you know what source never changes, is 100% accurate, and was dictated by the most amazing eye-witness in the universe? The Bible! God tells us through His Holy Word exactly how the world came into being, and through genealogy, almost exactly how old the world is!
You can't get any more authoritative on the subject, so case closed.

[ultima]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

When you start out the discussion with a lie, there is no further room to go. You are not a Christian. If you were, you would believe the truth of the Bible instead of whatever nonsense is fed to you by ScIeNtists and other Satan worshippers to lead you away from Jesus. You're so befuddled by the lies you don't even understand what they're trying to tell you!
Seeing as you won't believe a Christian source, I'll even give you someone from your own monkey-loving side telling you that you just said something very stupid.

Even though "carbon dating" is completely unreliable, even your "priests" admit that it doesn't prove the world is millions of years old!
But you know what source never changes, is 100% accurate, and was dictated by the most amazing eye-witness in the universe? The Bible! God tells us through His Holy Word exactly how the world came into being, and through genealogy, almost exactly how old the world is!
You can't get any more authoritative on the subject, so case closed.

So kind of you to cite a website that specifically says a number of things that contradict your beliefs.

Rejecting fossil data cannot be supported by proof.

Fossils prove that humans did not exist alongside dinosaurs.

Oh and lookie here! Right under the paragraph you quoted yourself:

Radiometric dating involves the use of isotope series, such as rubidium/strontium, thorium/lead, potassium/argon, argon/argon, or uranium/lead, all of which have very long half-lives, ranging from 0.7 to 48.6 billion years. Subtle differences in the relative proportions of the two isotopes can give good dates for rocks of any age.

I will admit, I was totally incorrect on the carbon dating. It's not available for use past 5700 years. However, that's not to say dates cannot be calculated.

Do yourself a favor. When citing a source and providing a link to that source: Read it through. By citing it for your argument, you're practically agreeing with it, thus disproving what you said.
(If you want, you can post 'Case Closed' right about now.)

[Stricker]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Did you know that your hero Darwin was a drug-addicted communist who wanted to marry his cocker spaniel? He died screaming for Jesus, but it was too late.

I'll pray that you don't follow him to eternal damnation.

Have you noticed how no one takes you seriously, and how many laugh at you?

I wouldn't be surprised if you are just a cleverly disguised troll.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

Have you noticed how no one takes you seriously, and how many laugh at you?

I wouldn't be surprised if you are just a cleverly disguised troll.

That's rich coming from a troll who worships a queer video game invented by chinks.

I am a True Christian™ Pastor, and it is my duty to rebuke demons like you. Anything I say can be backed up with a little research on your part.

Start by reading the Holy Bible.

[Stricker]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

That's rich coming from a troll who worships a queer video game invented by chinks.

I am a True Christian™ Pastor, and it is my duty to rebuke demons like you. Anything I say can be backed up with a little research on your part.

Start by reading the Holy Bible.

I worship a queer video game invented by chinks? News to me! You must know me better than I know myself!

I'm a True Christian™, because that is my name, and good for you!

I've read it, it's as boring as Harry Potter.

[ultima]

Re: Hello, I noticed that many of you don't understand evolution.

That's rich coming from a troll who worships a queer video game invented by chinks.

I am a True Christian™ Pastor, and it is my duty to rebuke demons like you. Anything I say can be backed up with a little research on your part.

Start by reading the Holy Bible.

Anything you say? So if I were to find 50 things you've said that are either completely false or completely wrong would you leave these forums? After such a concrete statement on your part I suppose it would be an easy decision for yourself.

Props on the rebuking of demons by the way. Racist insults are definitely my weapon of choice when fighting demons. You've been taught by the best.