[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Hi, this argument really made me think and I am curious to learn more about creation science. I was wondering about one thing here: if I stand on the beach at sunset I can watch the sun disappear behind the sea. Is the sun then 500 miles away?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Hi, this argument really made me think and I am curious to learn more about creation science. I was wondering about one thing here: if I stand on the beach at sunset I can watch the sun disappear behind the sea. Is the sun then 500 miles away?

Nice try heathen, but as a typical monkey-worshiper you think you are the centre of the universe. This is not the case, sun does not go around you. It goes around the earth and earth is very large place. This may come as a shock to you, but even Godly USA alone is wider than 500 miles.

So obviously sun does not disappear, it just moves further away in firmament, so eventually it's too far for you to see the light anymore. You can learn more about sun from these wonderful diagrams posted by sister Mitza.

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The Bible does describe the sun arising & the sun going down Ecclesiastes 1:5 but does not mention any orbit. After going down the sun is described as hastening back to the place of rising.

The firmament is a solid structure holding the waters above in check (except when God opens the windows in the solid dome he made to flood the earth)

GENESIS 1:6-8 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament; and diuided the waters, which were vnder the firmament, from the waters, which were aboue the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament, Heauen: and the euening and the morning were the second day.
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NOTE: NOT ..and Noah called the firmament OR ..and Rudyard Kipling called the firmament OR ..and Queen Esther called the firmament

GOD named the firmament.
GOD made the firmament.
GOD knows what it is.

W A T E R S . . A B O V E

W A T E R S . . B E L O W

GENESIS 7:11,19-20 In the sixe hundredth yeere of Noahs life, in the second moneth, the seuenteenth day of the moneth, the same day, were al the fountaines of the great deepe broken vp, and the windowes of heauen were opened...And the waters preuailed exceedingly vpon the earth, and all the high hils, that were vnder the whole heauen, were couered. Fifteene cubits vpward, did the waters preuaile; and the mountaines were couered.
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NOTE: the firmament HAS WINDOWS IN IT — like THIS:

THE EARTH DOES NOT MOVE

I SAMUEL 2:8 He raiseth vp the poore out of the dust, and lifteth vp the begger from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lords, and hee hath set the world vpon them.
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PSALM 104:5-6 Who laid the foundations of the earth: that it should not be remoued for euer. Thou coueredst it with the deepe as with a garment: the waters stood aboue the mountaines.
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God explains how, after he had made fruit trees and grasses, he made the sun and fixed it in the solid firmament.

NOTE: the sun DID NOT EXIST before flowering plants were created (fruit trees were made first: the sun was made later on)

it is NOT above the firmament
it is NOT floating somewhere in the waters being held back by that solid dome
it is NOT in the "outer space" of mythology. The Bible tells us that:

GENESIS 1:12-17a,19 ..the earth brought foorth grasse, and herbe yeelding seed after his kinde, and the tree yeelding fruit, whose seed was in it selfe, after his kinde: and God saw that it was good. And the euening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there bee lights in the firmament of the heauen, to diuide the day from the night: and let them be for signes and for seasons, and for dayes and yeeres. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heauen, to giue light vpon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the starres also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heauen...And the euening and the morning were the fourth day.

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The word orbit is not found in The Bible.

YiC,

Alphonse

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

now when you land at New York you look at the sunset and see its very low in the sky..infact its on the horizon

well, what a surprise to learn that when the sun sets in New York it appears low in the sky

[MentalHaze]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Why are you all still suggesting that sun is only 500 miles away.

Its long confirmed that its 92,955,820.5 miles.

Why do we know it? Because the speed of light is constant.

http://www.astro-tom.com/getting_started/earth-sun_distance.htm

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Why are you all still suggesting that sun is only 500 miles away.

Its long confirmed that its 92,955,820.5 miles.

Why do we know it? Because the speed of light is constant.

http://www.astro-tom.com/getting_sta...n_distance.htm

Right, so what have you got one guy dangling from a rope from the Sun and one guy on the Earth comparing stopwatches? Anyway scientists will tell you anything. They say that speed of light is the fastest thing out there but it's nothing compared to the speed of prayer. God hears you in an INSTANT.

YiC

Jack

[MentalHaze]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

You dont have to fire laser at sun. You can also aim it at Venus or Mercury and get its dintance from Earth. Then measure its angle and finally calculate distance to Sun. Simple.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

You dont have to fire laser at sun. You can also aim it at Venus or Mercury and get its dintance from Earth.

Sure

I'm sure you are shooting laser at planets all the time.

[MentalHaze]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Why cant you understand basic physics. Did you even finish first 12 grades.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

You dont have to fire laser at sun. You can also aim it at Venus or Mercury and get its dintance from Earth. Then measure its angle and finally calculate distance to Sun. Simple.

Firstly do not post satanic heliocentric images on God's favourite forum. Even going on your silly false picture, from Earth how would you know the angle from Venus to the Sun was 90 degrees? How would you know the distance to Venus to do the calculation? Have you got a big ladder and a very long tape measure? Have you got a big set square to check the angle from Venus to the Sun?

You think you know the distance to the Sun based on the speed of light. Hows do you know the speed of light? because scientists tell you. You atheist allways have to rely of faith in the end dont you?

YiC

Jack

(by the way you have got the dimentions wrong, you have the Earth, Sun and Venus all the same size. The Earth is the largest by far)

[MentalHaze]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

We'll see who is right when Rapture comes on October 21, 2011. Or better to say when it wont come. Only 1 way to find out.

1. You claims - sun 500 miles away, made of coal
2. Scientific claims - sun 92,955,820 miles away, made of 74% H and 24% He

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

We'll see who is right when Rapture comes on October 21, 2011. Or better to say when it wont come. Only 1 way to find out.

1. You claims - sun 500 miles away, made of coal
2. Scientific claims - sun 92,955,820 miles away, made of 74% H and 24% He

Nobody knows when the rapture will happen.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

The difference is we will be ready for it, will you?

YiC

Jack

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

15,000,000 degrees , how would you measure that? The mercury would break the thermometer.

And I suppose he went there and measured the temperature himself?

FAIL (as the kids today say).

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

So obviously sun does not disappear, it just moves further away in firmament, so eventually it's too far for you to see the light anymore. You can learn more about sun from these wonderful diagrams posted by sister Mitza.

Thanks for the explanation and the illustrating graphics. The diagrams show the firmament shaped as a hemisphere. The sun moves along the firmament. What do you mean by the sun “just moves further away in firmament”? In the diagrams the sun seems to touch ground at sunset.

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Thanks for the explanation and the illustrating graphics. The diagrams show the firmament shaped as a hemisphere. The sun moves along the firmament. What do you mean by the sun “just moves further away in firmament”? In the diagrams the sun seems to touch ground at sunset.

Look, Mister, practically none of your "scientific" "jargon" words are in the Bible(c), so you shouldn't use them here.

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Okay, simply put: I would like to know, where are the places (shown in the diagrams), where the sun touches ground at sunrise and sunset?