[LyingDingDong]

Re: The "Big Bang"

If you can prove that, you’ll win the Nobel Prize, since that is not what the physicists say. Personally, I think that light travels exactly as fast as God wants it to, no more and no less.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2000/07/20/speedlight000720.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/781199.stm

http://www.scienceblog.com/light.html

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: The "Big Bang"

Light can travel faster than the given speed of light (983,571,056 feet per second). You probably meant to say anything with mass, so I won't hold a grudge over it.

If you can prove that, you’ll win the Nobel Prize, since that is not what the physicists say. Personally, I think that light travels exactly as fast as God wants it to, no more and no less. But I’m not going to waste time arguing with you, since, as I said before, you are just too tedious. If you have citations to scientific papers to back up your assertions, then I’ll answer your questions. But you can’t just pull stuff out of you’re a$$ or Wikipedia and expect to have a serious discussion, and I couldn't care less if you hold a grudge against me.

Why do you so easily accept that Hell is at the center of our galaxy and not a black hole, which scientists suggest?

I was taking some poetic license, since the galaxy is just a bunch of lights that God put on the firmament of the Heavens. Hell is very clearly below the Earth. The universe looks like this, from top to bottom:

Heaven (Genesis 1:1)*
Water (Genesis 1:7)
Firmament of Heaven (includes stars, meteors, Sun, Moon, etc.—see Genesis 1:6-9, Genesis 1:14-17; Job 37:18, Ezekiel 1:22, Daniel 8:10, Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:25, Revelation 6:13, Revelation 8:10, Revelation 9:1, Revelation 12:4)
Earth (Genesis 1:1, 1:9) and Water (Genesis 1:7-9)
Hell (has to be below the Earth, see Numbers 16:31, Psalm 54:16, Isaiah 5:14, Ezekiel 26:20, Philippians 2:10).

* Heaven includes the warehouses that hold snow and hail (Job 38:22).

[I don't see any evidence in your Bible.]And I don’t see any in your posts.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The "Big Bang"

"Well a friend works at McDonalds and if he knew the "scientific" age of the universe..."

Better than a friend who works at McDonalds and knew the biblical age of the universe.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The "Big Bang"

however, I do see scientists collaborating to progress our better understanding of the universe for the sake of mankind... How do you know this of no use to me? You don't know what position I'm in, or how I would be able to use this information...

Yes, I've noted the great increase in the benefit to mankind of knowing the rough "scientific" age of the universe since it was put up from 10Billion years to 13Billion years...

Big secret eh? OK, what use would a precise "scientific" date be to anyone?

PS You don't have to tell us your secret, just pretend - say, "Well a friend works at McDonalds and if he knew the "scientific" age of the universe..."

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: The "Big Bang"

How do you know this of no use to me? You don't know what position I'm in, or how I would be able to use this information.

Unless you plan to backdate a patent application for the wheel to 6 billion years ago it doesn't matter because you cannot comprehend that length of time.....because it doesn't exist. 6-10,000 years, that's about it.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The "Big Bang"

I’ve been reading this thread in the hopes of finding some sense in Tingaling’s arguments: I have singularly failed.

The question he meant to ask, which goes to the heart of the matter is, “What is the point of knowing how old the universe is, as God has already allowed us to calculate this?”, which is a pretty poor question.

The so-called scientists would have us believe that the universe is over 1,000,000,000 years old.

Now you have to understand that no "scientist" ever won a Nobel Prize by merely agreeing with another scientist. So even if one of them invented a reason for their Godless followers to be deceived into believing that the earth was created 1,000,389,229 years, 3 months and 2 days ago and on a Tuesday at tea-time, you would instantly get another scientist saying it was 1,000,389,229 years, 3 months and 3 days ago and on a Wednesday just a bit after breakfast.

And then the whole lot of them would start disagreeing with each other and clear off somewhere agreeable (at taxpayers’ expense) to argue the matter and come to no conclusion.

On top of that, Tingaling – if ever your “scientists” do come up with an age for the earth, the universe and everything – what are you going to do with the information? The best you will be able to say is “Oh…thank you.” It is of no use whatsoever to you!

You can save your thanks for The Almighty; “science” will never give you certainty or an answer. You want certainty? It’s all there in the Bible. KJV1611 of course

The universe is approximately 13.73 billion years old, you're only off by 12 billion. I don't ever see scientists argue on the exact age of the univesre; however, I do see scientists collaborating to progress our better understanding of the universe for the sake of mankind.

How do you know this of no use to me? You don't know what position I'm in, or how I would be able to use this information.

I don't need certainity and if I did, I don't want false certainity given from the Bible. I want evidence that helps progress our understanding of what the universe is and how it works. I don't see any evidence in your Bible.

I would multiquote but you're not worth it. Sorry.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The "Big Bang"

The Bible talks about Hell, but doesn't mention so-called "black holes" at all, so which is more likely to be there?

The Bible never mentions galaxies either, therefore you can't accept its existence.

[ChuckieGirl666]

Re: The "Big Bang"

Find me a psalm where it says that "the center of our galaxy is a black hole" and I will give you a cookie.

What's a psalm? Can I hav a cookie?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The "Big Bang"

I’ve been reading this thread in the hopes of finding some sense in Tingaling’s arguments: I have singularly failed.

The question he meant to ask, which goes to the heart of the matter is, “What is the point of knowing how old the universe is, as God has already allowed us to calculate this?”, which is a pretty poor question.

The so-called scientists would have us believe that the universe is over 1,000,000,000 years old.

Now you have to understand that no "scientist" ever won a Nobel Prize by merely agreeing with another scientist. So even if one of them invented a reason for their Godless followers to be deceived into believing that the earth was created 1,000,389,229 years, 3 months and 2 days ago and on a Tuesday at tea-time, you would instantly get another scientist saying it was 1,000,389,229 years, 3 months and 3 days ago and on a Wednesday just a bit after breakfast.

And then the whole lot of them would start disagreeing with each other and clear off somewhere agreeable (at taxpayers’ expense) to argue the matter and come to no conclusion.

On top of that, Tingaling – if ever your “scientists” do come up with an age for the earth, the universe and everything – what are you going to do with the information? The best you will be able to say is “Oh…thank you.” It is of no use whatsoever to you!

You can save your thanks for The Almighty; “science” will never give you certainty or an answer. You want certainty? It’s all there in the Bible. KJV1611 of course

[Justina Thyme]

Re: The "Big Bang"

Find me a psalm where it says that "the center of our galaxy is a black hole" and I will give you a cookie.

If I weren't extremely hungry right now, I would not be posting this.

However, I must say that instead of a cookie, I would much prefer some delicious caek.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: The "Big Bang"

Why do you so easily accept that Hell is at the center of our galaxy and not a black hole, which scientists suggest? In fact, I don't believe it's in the Bible either. Find me a psalm where it says that "the center of our galaxy is a black hole" and I will give you a cookie.

The Bible talks about Hell, but doesn't mention so-called "black holes" at all, so which is more likely to be there?

[LyingDingDong]

Re: The "Big Bang"

The fastest anything can travel (the physicists say) is the speed of light...

Light can travel faster than the given speed of light (983,571,056 feet per second). You probably meant to say anything with mass, so I won't hold a grudge over it.

Singularity = black hole = no explosion = no Big Bang. If you have a problem with that, then you should take it up with Dr. Einstein, since it is his theory, not mine.

That's true but there are things called white holes - think opposite of black holes - that exists in Einstein's theory. Although they have not been seen or proven, theories suggest that they existed very early on in the beginning of the universe and could be what caused the Big Bang.

The plain fact is that Hell is at the center of our galaxy, with the Earth on top, and then the firmament of the Heavens. No black hole here, my friend, although there is something sucking all of the unsaved souls down to Satan's domain.

Why do you so easily accept that Hell is at the center of our galaxy and not a black hole, which scientists suggest? In fact, I don't believe it's in the Bible either. Find me a psalm where it says that "the center of our galaxy is a black hole" and I will give you a cookie.

[Justina Thyme]

Re: The "Big Bang"

...for you not to accept a fact without proof.

But if it's a fact, that means it has been proven.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: The "Big Bang"

The singularity before the big bang wasn't a black hole. It was ALL the matter in the universe condensed into an area smaller then an atom, then it became instable and blew up.

Toss more matter into a black hole, and the black hole just gets bigger. It never explodes.

The fastest anything can travel (the physicists say) is the speed of light, and, in the area around a singularity, the gravity is so strong that even things traveling at the speed of light cannot escape. No matter how big an explosion, it cannot propel anything faster than the speed of light, so nothing can escape the singularity. The only way a black hole gives up mass is by evaporation, which operates at speeds incomprehensibly too slow to account for the Big Bang.

Singularity = black hole = no explosion = no Big Bang. If you have a problem with that, then you should take it up with Dr. Einstein, since it is his theory, not mine. Anyway, since there is no proof that black holes exist, this is all a very theoretical discussion.

Actually, black holes have been proven, theres one at the center of our galaxy.

Who proved that there's a black hole at the center of our galaxy, and how did they prove it? Please, please tell me that you have some actual evidence to discuss, and that you're not just some idiot who talks a big game, but whose only evidence is "I read about it on Wikipedia."

The plain fact is that Hell is at the center of our galaxy, with the Earth on top, and then the firmament of the Heavens. No black hole here, my friend, although there is something sucking all of the unsaved souls down to Satan's domain.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: The "Big Bang"

Ah f*** God and his "majesty"
i wish you all would start to pay attention to logic. and forget your ancient book thats a pile of contradictions and bulls***.

Mister, you make another post like that and you'll find yourself back in Quarantine.

Why is it that all you bulldyke witches talk like a drunken sailor on shore leave?