[cobdog]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

I can't talk on behalf of brother Zechariah, but I think real meaning of that word is repulsive gay-sexual. At least I use queer only in that context.



We are.

So I read the link you posted, and I came across a section in which as a christian you believe that you can't sit idly by and let us be tormented in hell. You're lack of definition of a 'true christian' is doing so, so really, you're contradicting your own beliefs

As for your queer reference, I doubt insulting them is doing them much good. Perhaps a less direct approach?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

the word 'queer', I really hope you're using it as a synonym for weird, strange, odd etc.

I can't talk on behalf of brother Zechariah, but I think real meaning of that word is repulsive gay-sexual. At least I use queer only in that context.

what is a true christian?

We are.

[cobdog]

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A True Christian is one who follows the Bible.

Why don't you backtrack a bit and lurk more. Read some of the threads there to inform newcomers instead of asking us really obvious questions that have been asked a hundred times already.

i found the quote button

for such an easy question you have succeeded in providing an incredibly vague answer. In any case, my question is directed to YOUR personal interpretation. How am I supposed to understand and be redeemed without seeing into the minds of those already saved?

[Redeemed Papist]

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Alphonse Alban, Redeemed Papist:

what is a true christian? the history of the christian church reveals 2 great schisms in beliefs, perhaps we are not far from another emerging between fundamentalists (not used in a derogatory sense) and those who prefer to take metaphorical meaning from the bible.

And again, not that knowledgeable on the bible, but doesn't Jesus mention something about forgiveness for all?

A True Christian is one who follows the Bible.

Why don't you backtrack a bit and lurk more. Read some of the threads there to inform newcomers instead of asking us really obvious questions that have been asked a hundred times already.

[cobdog]

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Alphonse Alban, Redeemed Papist:

what is a true christian? the history of the christian church reveals 2 great schisms in beliefs, perhaps we are not far from another emerging between fundamentalists (not used in a derogatory sense) and those who prefer to take metaphorical meaning from the bible.

And again, not that knowledgeable on the bible, but doesn't Jesus mention something about forgiveness for all?

[Redeemed Papist]

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the existence of Satan and a hell are debated amongst christians,

You're not talking to True Christians, it's as simple as that.

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So, ask yourself this question: how are Christians managing to convince themselves that Hell is not a real place if they claim to believe in Jesus as revealed to them in the holy Bible? The answer is quite simple: they are making it up as they go along because they've noticed the Bible makes people nervous and edge away from them. Rather than persevere and save a few wise people from Hell they just want those people to be their friends so they do as you advocate - namely they attract them to any old gibberish so long as they are their friends and save nobody.

[cobdog]

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Zechariah Smyth: fair enough. Just so you're aware, I'm not lashing out at christians, it's an attack on both christians and atheists. This is not a debate that's going to be won or lost. Oh and as for your use of the word 'queer', I really hope you're using it as a synonym for weird, strange, odd etc.

A follower: thats your belief, for all us 'doomed' people it clearly is not. for all us 'doomed' people we see all the hypocrisies within your beliefs, you see all the hypocrisies within ours. Here's my question to you, why is yours more right than mine?

[Alphonse Alban]

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as far as my understanding of the bible and God goes, the existence of Satan and a hell are debated amongst christians

You are badly misled then. You have to follow the word of God, the bible, to be a Christian. If you follow the bible, it is clear that Satan and hell are very real. So you see, there ain't no debate about this among the Christians. Sure, there might be some fluffy bunny false-Christians debating about it, but in reality they are just as much heathen as muslims, catlicks or swedish.

[A Follower]

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Very wise words about how people should treat each other, too bad you posted it on this forum.

Well, wise if you're an idiot. The guy said nothing good comes from ramming Christianity down someone's throat. Absolutely ludicrous. Christianity has saved an untold number of people from disease, accidents and most importantly from eternal hellfire. Christianity is the only religion that can make that claim, atheism, catholicism, budhism, etc only cause evil, but Christianity helps people, that's why we are so forceful with this, it's for your own good, you are just too stupid to see it.

[cobdog]

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sorry i have no idea how to quote so i'm just going to do it my way:

redeemed baptist:
We're not here to debate.

We're here to praise Jesus but these rather rude atheist fellows keep coming in here and hating on God.

Oh, and we're not here to respect the beliefs of others, in fact God specifically tells us not to over and over again.

first 2 points taken and conceded, fact of the matter is though, you are responding in a negative manner. And as I said, if you focused on your own belief system that would perhaps make christianity more appealing to especially youth who statistics show are turning away from the church.

brother enoch:

Okay. So would you rather be a tool of God or a tool of Satan?

call it what you want, as far as my understanding of the bible and God goes, the existence of Satan and a hell are debated amongst christians, and personally if I live a life by MY beliefs, doing as I believe is right then that fundamentally is at the heart of many of the major religions. Seeing as God is known to be this generous forgiving entity (apologies if entity is incorrect wording) considering my motives I am worthy of his forgiveness. So to answer your question, neither. I am nobodies tool. To bring more philosophy in, I name Foucault and his 'panopticism', rules which govern societies actions and reactions. If you want see these as being a 'tool of Satan' or 'tool of God' I don't care. That's your belief

[Zechariah Smyth]

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*** strawman ***

Where is anyone forcing anything down anyone's throat? Or is that some sick "queer" code-talk that I am no longer privy to?



No, we righteously rebuke people and openly SHAME them for their queer private abominations:

(Proverbs 27:5) "Open rebuke is better than secret love."



Look, at the top of EVERY SINGLE PAGE in this forum it says, UNSAVED UNWELCOME.

How is it even conceivable that we are forcing ANYTHING down ANYONE'S throat when we tell people right up front that if they DO NOT AGREE with us to LEAVE?



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Peter Roy]

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Here's a suggestion right: an atheist reading this aint gonna be swayed by the christian argument, and a christian isn't going to be swayed by the atheist argument. So to revive the work of one Immanuel Kant, 18th century German philosopher, how is this not a pointless argument? I think perhaps it's better to respect each others beliefs and rather than focusing on the hypocrisies of other beliefs focus on your own. You do no good by trying to ram christianity or atheism down somebodies throat, you simply come across as an arrogant, narrow minded, dogmatic tool

Very wise words about how people should treat each other, too bad you posted it on this forum.

[Brother Enoch]

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You do no good by trying to ram christianity or atheism down somebodies throat, you simply come across as an arrogant, narrow minded, dogmatic tool

Okay. So would you rather be a tool of God or a tool of Satan?

[Redeemed Papist]

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Here's a suggestion right: an atheist reading this aint gonna be swayed by the christian argument, and a christian isn't going to be swayed by the atheist argument. So to revive the work of one Immanuel Kant, 18th century German philosopher, how is this not a pointless argument? I think perhaps it's better to respect each others beliefs and rather than focusing on the hypocrisies of other beliefs focus on your own. You do no good by trying to ram christianity or atheism down somebodies throat, you simply come across as an arrogant, narrow minded, dogmatic tool

We're not here to debate.

We're here to praise Jesus but these rather rude atheist fellows keep coming in here and hating on God.

Oh, and we're not here to respect the beliefs of others, in fact God specifically tells us not to over and over again.

[cobdog]

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Here's a suggestion right: an atheist reading this aint gonna be swayed by the christian argument, and a christian isn't going to be swayed by the atheist argument. So to revive the work of one Immanuel Kant, 18th century German philosopher, how is this not a pointless argument? I think perhaps it's better to respect each others beliefs and rather than focusing on the hypocrisies of other beliefs focus on your own. You do no good by trying to ram christianity or atheism down somebodies throat, you simply come across as an arrogant, narrow minded, dogmatic tool