[Alvin Moss]

Re: other planets do not exist!

I believe that the main point has been missed here. There is no proof whatsoever that other planets exist. There are only lies, innuendo and fairy tales. The whole thing is a made up plot. There is no telling what the true aim of this travesty may be.

[Daniel G]

Re: other planets do not exist!

While I was doing my normal prayer routine (pray, pinch arm to remember Jesus's pain, pray, repeat...) I realized something. When God created the Earth, he created many other planets as well. These planets loved eachother but bullied Earth. Earth hated all planets because of this, and was spared when God killed all the other planets for being gay (MOTHER Earth, etc...)
Remember not to be gay, or you will end up like the other planets.
And they don't exist.

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

While I was doing my normal prayer routine (pray, pinch arm to remember Jesus's pain, pray, repeat...) I realized something. When God created the Earth, he created many other planets as well. These planets loved eachother but bullied Earth. Earth hated all planets because of this, and was spared when God killed all the other planets for being gay (MOTHER Earth, etc...)
Remember not to be gay, or you will end up like the other planets.
And they don't exist.

If other planets doesn't exist, why can you see them in the sky with only your naked eyes? Even better with a modest backyard telescope?

http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury

[Elmer G. White]

Re: other planets do not exist!

If other planets doesn't exist, why can you see them in the sky with only your naked eyes? Even better with a modest backyard telescope?

http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essent...saturn-mercury

My dear Boy,

Your post is a delightful example of a fallacy called equivocation. The secular definition of planets that we discuss and refute here is that "of a celestial body that is in size comparable to the Earth, that circulates the Sun, has cleared its neighborhood of its alleged orbit and is an object the existence of which is based on the secular cosmological model". You equivocate it to mean "something you can see with the naked eye". We object to the first definition, not to the existence of these spots of light.

Of course there are lights in the Sky, God Created them.

Genesis 1:14-15
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Of course there are lights in the Firmament. No-one here has claimed otherwise! The Sun and the lights in the Sky are relatively small and their exact proportions, etc., have been carefully determined!



Your post is also a wonderful example of a straw man fallacy. You twist the words of True Christian™ Believers and attack the distorted argument, as it is easier for you to attempt to refute the simplification. The actual arguments can be found in the links and in this Forum. Your twisted argument is that we deny the existence of visible lights in the Firmament, which is untruthful.

The Bible is the TRUTH. The Whole Bible. Including the Genesis. Including the wonderful Historical account of the lights in the Firmament. Of course we do not doubt this account!

Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White View Post
My dear Boy,

Your post is a delightful example of a fallacy called equivocation. The secular definition of planets that we discuss and refute here is that "of a celestial body that is in size comparable to the Earth, that circulates the Sun, has cleared its neighborhood of its alleged orbit and is an object the existence of which is based on the secular cosmological model". You equivocate it to mean "something you can see with the naked eye". We object to the first definition, not to the existence of these spots of light.

First of all, my post is without equivocation as there is no ambiguity with the word planet. I simply said you can observe them yourself in the sky, preferably when it's dark. If you have a telescope, you can clearly see they are not simply spots of light but clearly a round object that looks likes the definition of a planet. By 2 Kings 23:5 , why would god call them planets instead of stars if they were mere spots of light? Simple logic.

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Of course there are lights in the Firmament. No-one here has claimed otherwise! The Sun and the lights in the Sky are relatively small and their exact proportions, etc., have been carefully determined!

This claim is out of ignorance. The guy just said random numbers, he didn't even give the right temperature for the sun. Not only the sun's gravity pull would obliterate earth, it's around 109 times the size of the earth, the sun's surface is 5778 K ( 5505 °C ). Do you seriously believe that the sun is 491.1 miles above us? Doesn't a little spark of intelligence in your brain tell you that all life on earth would be impossible with such a high temperature only 491.1 miles above us?

Quote:
Your post is also a wonderful example of a straw man fallacy. You twist the words of True Christian™ Believers and attack the distorted argument, as it is easier for you to attempt to refute the simplification. The actual arguments can be found in the links and in this Forum. Your twisted argument is that we deny the existence of visible lights in the Firmament, which is untruthful.

You seem to fail to understand the definition of a straw man.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Do you seriously believe that the sun is 491.1 miles above us? Doesn't a little spark of intelligence in your brain tell you that all life on earth would be impossible with such a high temperature only 491.1 miles above us?

It's not a question of belief, it's a fact. Sun is just much smaller than earth.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: other planets do not exist!

This claim is out of ignorance. The guy just said random numbers, he didn't even give the right temperature for the sun. Not only the sun's gravity pull would obliterate earth, it's around 109 times the size of the earth, the sun's surface is 5778 K ( 5505 °C ). Do you seriously believe that the sun is 491.1 miles above us? Doesn't a little spark of intelligence in your brain tell you that all life on earth would be impossible with such a high temperature only 491.1 miles above us?

So nice of you to try to understand. I DO appreciate your efforts. Some issues still need clarifying.

Please, read WHOLE THREADS, not only the opening posts. The size of the Sun has also been calculated and it's approximately 8 km in radius or 10 miles across. Much smaller than the earth! Not 109 times bigger!

Secondly, your post is, again, a nice example of a fallacy, ad hominem (and ad ridiculum with those 'little sparks' of yours; not to mention tu quoque as you avoid the question of fallacies by referring to the alleged ignorance of the opponent). Instead of going to the thread of Pastor Billy-Reuben and re-tracing the calculations AND including Scriptural evidence, you attack the messenger by accusing us of ignorance and lack of intelligence.

That is to be expected.

Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

While you still seem to be filled with anger and resistance to GOD's TRUTH, I do think that is is possible that Jesus has shown you the way into this nice Forum. You do have hope, please DO NOT DESPAIR. Embrace the BIBLE and you'll understand how the improbable, the initially unexplained, and the contrary to secular common sense suddenly become crystal clear and wonderful!

Of course, I'll also be praying for you.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

It's not a question of belief, it's a fact. Sun is just much smaller than earth.

Tell me, how do you arrive at this conclusion with all the might of your most logical explanation to support your claim?

As for the sake of argument. I will show how simple mathematics and empirical evidences can dismiss your claim, stuff that you learn in college and even in high school.

Several hundred years ago Copernicus was able to determine approximate distances between the planets through trigonometry. The distances were all found relative to the distance between the Earth and the Sun, the astronomical unit (often abbreviated as "A.U."). Kepler refined these measurements to take into account the elliptical orbits. However, they did not know how large an astronomical unit was.
To establish an absolute distance scale, the actual distance to one of the planets had to be measured. Distances to Venus and Mars were measured from the parallax effect by observers at different parts of the Earth when the planets were closest to the Earth.



Knowing how far apart the observers were from each other and coordinating the observation times, astronomers could determine the distance to a planet. The slight difference in its position on the sky due to observing the planet from different positions gave the planet's distance from trigonometry. The state-of-the-art measurements still had a large margin of uncertainty. The last major effort using these techniques was in the 1930's. Parallax observations of an asteroid, called Eros, passing close to Earth were used to fix the value of the astronomical unit at 150 million kilometers.



With the invention of radar, the distance to Venus could be determined very precisely. By timing how long it takes the radar beam travelling at the speed of light to travel the distance to an object and back, the distance to the object can be found from distance = (speed of light) × (total time)/2. The total time is halved to get just the distance from the Earth to the object. Using trigonometry, astronomers now know that the astronomical unit =149,597,892 kilometers. This incredible degree of accuracy is possible because the speed of light is known very precisely and very accurate clocks are used. You cannot use radar to determine the distance to the Sun directly because the Sun has no solid surface to reflect the radar efficiently.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Tell me, how do you arrive at this conclusion with all the might of your most logical explanation to support your claim?

I see that you are a victim of secular brainwashing. You see, in reality earth is flat and sun moves in firmament around stationary earth. Sun is just made to rule the day, but it has nothing to do with light. Light and days were created before the sun. Everyone even with half a brain knows this. You can read more fact about sun here.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=271757&postcount=1

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=747099&postcount=9

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

I see that you are a victim of secular brainwashing. You see, in reality earth is flat and sun moves in firmament around stationary earth. Sun is just made to rule the day, but it has nothing to do with light. Light and days were created before the sun. Everyone even with half a brain knows this. You can read more fact about sun here.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=271757&postcount=1

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...99&postcount=9

Oh the irony.

Let's debunk all the claims in these posts.

For the first one.

The sun doesn't glow yellow, the sun is white. The reason we see it yellow is because of our atmosphere, as explained here.

Not only Alphonse doesn't seem very fluent in math, the real value of the Wien's displacement constant is equal to 2.8977721(26)×10−3 m K . He probably tried to rehash what he has read on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien's_displacement_law as some of his words are similar to what is wrote ( like quote: For wavelengths near the visible spectrum, it is often more convenient to use the nanometer in place of the meter as the unit of measure. ) but failed.

For the second post, read my precious post. I explain how you can really calculate the sun's distance ( and all the other planets ). Also, saying that god is fueling the sun with coal is pretty funny in my opinion.


For your own post. The earth isn't flat. Dunno why but since I was born, I've never heard of someone falling off the edge of the earth, wouldn't that be pretty obvious issue if earth was flat? ( logic hurts I know )

Take a good read.

Also, it's pretty easy to determine we orbit around the sun. The phases of the planets, especially venus, make it easy to work out the 3-dimensional positions of the Sun, Earth, and other planets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler%27s_laws_of_planetary_motion

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Oh the irony.

I know, you can't see how blind you are. You should once try to think for yourself and not just blindly believe everything you read. That is why Jesus made you come to this forum. You have been fooled by these secular lies for so long, but now you are starting to see the light.

GLORY!

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

I know, you can't see how blind you are. You should once try to think for yourself and not just blindly believe everything you read. That is why Jesus made you come to this forum. You have been fooled by these secular lies for so long, but now you are starting to see the light.

GLORY!

You know, I could say the same to you: Don't just blindly believe everything you read.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: other planets do not exist!

You know, I could say the same to you: Don't just blindly believe everything you read.

Dear Boy,

How nice of you to continue providing us with excellent examples of fallacious arguments.

This time it is the indirect ad hominem or the tu quoque.

Instead of answering the post of Brother Alphonse, you simply accuse him of the same thinking pattern that you exhibit. Actually, Brother Alphonse's potential misgivings (which, I can ensure you, are inexistent) are not at all relevant (even if they did exist which they don't) regarding your potential deficiencies.

The tu quoque is the fallacy of the school yard:

Little boy #1: You should not believe all you read.
Little boy #2: No. You should not believe it. You are stupid. (<- Tu quoque is here)

Of course, there are lots and lots of proof for Biblical accuracy (as an example, I refer you to a thread I commented on recently) for those who look and contemplate without previous indoctrination and prejudice.

Still, this discussion is not very promising. I think the state of your soul has been so corrupted by the secular fallacy that rational arguments do not find their way through your defenses. I think I can serve your case better by prayer.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[TheLittleBoy]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Dear Boy,

How nice of you to continue providing us with excellent examples of fallacious arguments.

This time it is the indirect ad hominem or the tu quoque.

Instead of answering the post of Brother Alphonse, you simply accuse him of the same thinking pattern that you exhibit. Actually, Brother Alphonse's potential misgivings (which, I can ensure you, are inexistent) are not at all relevant (even if they did exist which they don't) regarding your potential deficiencies.

The tu quoque is the fallacy of the school yard:

Little boy #1: You should not believe all you read.
Little boy #2: No. You should not believe it. You are stupid. (<- Tu quoque is here)

Of course, there are lots and lots of proof for Biblical accuracy (as an example, I refer you to a thread I commented on recently) for those who look and contemplate without previous indoctrination and prejudice.

Still, this discussion is not very promising. I think the state of your soul has been so corrupted by the secular fallacy that rational arguments do not find their way through your defenses. I think I can serve your case better by prayer.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Alright, let's debunk the link your shared.

1 and 3. Eyewitness testimony and fulfilled prophecies : There's no proofs for alot of things that happened in the bible ( Flood, god's destruction, miracles, in general all supernatural events ). But in your words, the bible have many biblical accuracies, but there's alot of inaccuracies in the bible too. Such as many contradictions . Many failed prophecies . Many flaws in '' biblical science '' .

2: Personal experiences doesn't make something fact or real.

4: That's a statement out of ignorance. There was many religions before christianity, such as Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Hinduism, Shintoism, Animism, Celtic-Druidic, Native American shamanism, Norse, ect. Also, not everyone was illiterate in bronze age.

5: Evolution is a scientific theory which has been tested and verified many times under the rigourous trial of the scientific method. A simple way to defeat your strawman argument is to use your own words : The bible has many contradictions, failed biblical prophecies and flaws in biblical science, should we trust it? You're right, we can't prove how a god was created or if he always existed. But there's also no scientific evidences and empirical evidences that he exists.

Finaly.

But after Jesus takes you in His arms and enters you forcibly and fills you with His mighty essence, all the above becomes secondary to His presence and His Word!

That sounds very homoerotical.

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Finaly. That sounds very homoerotical.

Now stop there boy!
Don't You mix your filthy thoughts with a speech where a True Christian is trying to teach you about Jesus!!!

Why are you here, if you throw away the possibility to praise God eternally standing and singing hymns in white clothes in front of His Throne!

Do you really want to go to Hell?

Clean your mind and fall down on your knees in front of The Lord!!!