[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Why did you ban him, then? If you wanted he to make a introduction forum thread, the only way possible is if he had an account - that's logic. If someone got something wrong, I wouldn't ban, kick, scream, bully etc. at them. I would help them understand the truth. You should have guided him to the 'truth' isn't of banning him which may have resulted in him not acknowledging the 'truth'.

Maybe you should focus more on Your Walk with Jesus and less on shortcomings of other Unsaved Trash.

(1 Peter 4:15) "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Well, you're in denial of what you can see with your own eyes. A couple of examples,





We can calculate it's orbit, size, mass etc. using mathematics. It's that proof enough? To be honest, even If, for some reason or another, someone sent you to one of the other planets, such as Mars, you still wouldn't believe it because you'll be too injected into your book.



That's completely fine with me, but i just want to ask, does that mean you have to deny what you can clearly see and calculate?

Ever heard of Photoshop?



YIC

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: other planets do not exist!

I have never seen anything like those artist representations you posted.

It's not an artist representation. It's real photos of the planets from a good telescope. You didn't know this because you've never tested it because you don't want to acknowledge the truth that there are other planets than Earth.

You tell me when and where to look and I'l go outside tonight and look. But if I do not see them, I expect a full and complete retraction from you.
I live in Virginia, if that helps.

The photos I've show you are from a good telescope. If you want to see the planets like these photos, then you'll need to use a good telescope. If not, then you can use binoculars, even though not that much details. If all else fails, then you've got your own eyes.

Many major observatories and planetariums provide this sort of info (and you have a good planetarium in Richmond), as does Sky & Telescope magazine, on their websites. Anyhow, low in the west at sunset you have Venus and Jupiter. In a week or so they will be joined by Mercury. Saturn rises near the time of sunset. You can see uranus at any point between May and September from your position.

For websites, this is likely the easiest and most 'user-friendly' that I'm aware of.

http://www.heavens-above.com/

Enter your location (several different ways possible) and then look at the 'whole sky' - and enter the time of the evening (and date..) you are interested in. The sky chart given can be printed out - and if you hold it *over* your head, you will see that east/west/north/south correspond (they don't if you hold it 'down').

Ever heard of Photoshop?

I don't think Photoshop existed in the 70's.

Anyway, you know that isn't not from Photoshop because, clearly, you have shown you don't know what you can and cannot do on Photoshop. You can see the planets with your own eyes or from other equipment for better detail.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: other planets do not exist!

You can see the planets with your own eyes or from other equipment for better detail.

What you're saying is if you can see something through equipment, it must be real?

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: other planets do not exist!

What you're saying is if you can see something through equipment, it must be real?

I'm talking about telescopes specifically in theses posts.

You can see the planets with your own eyes. You can see the planets through a telescope which was made by professionals & companies for the reason of exploring space. There is NO need to fake this. Even if they did, with millions, if not, billions of people around the world having telescopes, and there was not one person who could prove it's fake? You can dismantle the telescope and look at all the electronics inside to see how it was made. You can build a telescope yourself, if you had the knowledge, and get similar, if not, the same result looking at the planets.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: other planets do not exist!

I'm talking about telescopes specifically in theses posts.

Me too. They're simply a gadget, just like the viewfinder.

You can see the planets with your own eyes.

I can see stars with my own eyes, but I can love God with my whole heart.

You can see the planets through a telescope which was made by professionals & companies for the reason of exploring space. There is NO need to fake this.

People have been trying to justify rejecting God's Will since the beginning of time (Genesis 3:2-6).

Even if they did, with millions, if not, billions of people around the world having telescopes, and there was not one person who could prove it's fake?

People have proven Allah isn't the One True God, but millions, and billions of muslims around the world don't believe it. People have proven evolution isn't real, but millions, and billions of scientists still go on as if it were. There's a lot to be gained for proving one's false beliefs, dear.

You can dismantle the telescope and look at all the electronics inside to see how it was made. You can build a telescope yourself, if you had the knowledge, and get similar, if not, the same result looking at the planets.

That seems like an awful lot of trouble to find out what I already know: God's Word is sufficient for all things (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Why do you continue to deny Him? What's in it for you?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: other planets do not exist!

I'm talking about telescopes specifically in theses posts.

You can see the planets with your own eyes. You can see the planets through a telescope which was made by professionals & companies for the reason of exploring space. There is NO need to fake this. Even if they did, with millions, if not, billions of people around the world having telescopes, and there was not one person who could prove it's fake? You can dismantle the telescope and look at all the electronics inside to see how it was made. You can build a telescope yourself, if you had the knowledge, and get similar, if not, the same result looking at the planets.

Telescopes don't have electronics, they have mirrors a a hollow bit in the middle.

YIC

[SD the fool]

Re: other planets does not exist!

And just who is my neighbour?

That's right: fellow Christians not unsaved trash who are destined for Hell.

God loves everyone, not just a select few who think that they are better than everybody else. Love thy neighbor means everyone, nomatter what race or religion. The bible teaches love, not the hate. You read and treasure the bible, you should know that!

[James Hutchins]

Re: other planets do not exist!

It's not an artist representation. It's real photos of the planets from a good telescope. You didn't know this because you've never tested it because you don't want to acknowledge the truth that there are other planets than Earth.



The photos I've show you are from a good telescope. If you want to see the planets like these photos, then you'll need to use a good telescope. If not, then you can use binoculars, even though not that much details. If all else fails, then you've got your own eyes.

Many major observatories and planetariums provide this sort of info (and you have a good planetarium in Richmond), as does Sky & Telescope magazine, on their websites. Anyhow, low in the west at sunset you have Venus and Jupiter. In a week or so they will be joined by Mercury. Saturn rises near the time of sunset. You can see uranus at any point between May and September from your position.

For websites, this is likely the easiest and most 'user-friendly' that I'm aware of.

http://www.heavens-above.com/

Enter your location (several different ways possible) and then look at the 'whole sky' - and enter the time of the evening (and date..) you are interested in. The sky chart given can be printed out - and if you hold it *over* your head, you will see that east/west/north/south correspond (they don't if you hold it 'down').



I don't think Photoshop existed in the 70's.

Anyway, you know that isn't not from Photoshop because, clearly, you have shown you don't know what you can and cannot do on Photoshop. You can see the planets with your own eyes or from other equipment for better detail.

Oh. So you lied. Gotchya.
You cannot see them, you need 'special equipment' like what Mrs. Etheldreda displayed.


I saw the following this morning.

[James Hutchins]

Re: other planets does not exist!

God loves everyone, not just a select few who think that they are better than everybody else. Love thy neighbor means everyone, nomatter what race or religion. The bible teaches love, not the hate. You read and treasure the bible, you should know that!

2nd Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: other planets do not exist!

People have been trying to justify rejecting God's Will since the beginning of time (Genesis 3:2-6).

We are trying to find the truth.

People have proven Allah isn't the One True God, but millions, and billions of muslims around the world don't believe it. People have proven evolution isn't real, but millions, and billions of scientists still go on as if it were. There's a lot to be gained for proving one's false beliefs, dear.

They haven't proven Allah isn't the One True God, nor have they proven Evolution isn't real. Lies, again.

That seems like an awful lot of trouble to find out what I already know: God's Word is sufficient for all things (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

It may be, but you'll find the truth of the existence of the other planets.

Telescopes don't have electronics, they have mirrors a a hollow bit in the middle.

Telescope do have mirrors, however, relating to the electronics will depends what telescope you're talking about.

Oh. So you lied. Gotchya.
You cannot see them, you need 'special equipment' like what Mrs. Etheldreda displayed.

I haven't lied about anyway. I'm just expressing the truth which you can't accept. You can see them. Look up at the night sky and you'll see the stars. Most are other suns, but there are a few that are planets. Therefore, you can see the planet. If you want to see them in detail, though, you need a telescope. That's logic. Get a telescope and you'll see the other planets.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: other planets do not exist!

We are trying to find the truth.

I have just the place for you to find it!

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:32

They haven't proven Allah isn't the One True God, nor have they proven Evolution isn't real. Lies, again.

Why do you call me a liar without so much as looking into what I say? That's very rude, and it certainly isn't how an intelligent person finds information, dear.

It may be, but you'll find the truth of the existence of the other planets.

All your so-called "truth" relies on denying the Word of God first, then finding some gadget that makes your premise sound plausible. You can't simply argue that because you don't understand something, your belief system must explain it. That's just silly!

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: other planets do not exist!

Why do you call me a liar without so much as looking into what I say? That's very rude, and it certainly isn't how an intelligent person finds information, dear.

Because Evolution is fact! If you, or someone else, proved it wrong, It would be all over the media, and would be the big thing in the Scientific community. Can you prove the evidence that it's fake?

All your so-called "truth" relies on denying the Word of God first, then finding some gadget that makes your premise sound plausible. You can't simply argue that because you don't understand something, your belief system must explain it. That's just silly!

Seriously, you cannot deny what you can see with your own eyes. You can see the planets in the night sky. You can see it in detail with a telescope. Denying it just because a book doesn't mention it is just silly and ignorant. It is irrational to allow your life to be governed by faith which is based on a something other than evidence.

[Didymus Much]

Re: other planets do not exist!

...It is irrational to allow your life to be governed by faith which is based on a something other than evidence.

Now show where the Bible tells us to be "rational".

[James Hutchins]

Re: other planets do not exist!

We are trying to find the truth.

I see

.....I haven't lied about anyway. I'm just expressing the truth which you can't accept. You can see them. Look up at the night sky and you'll see the stars. Most are other suns, but there are a few that are planets. Therefore, you can see the planet. If you want to see them in detail, though, you need a telescope. That's logic. Get a telescope and you'll see the other planets.

I asked you where to look. You told me I could not see them but I needed a telescope. I questioned that and you repeat, that all I need to look up and see them, along with many Suns.
Friend, there is only one Sun. There are many Stars, completely different things.
Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

1 Corinthians 15:40 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

No where in the Bible does it say that Stars are 'extra Suns'. Being God created everything, don't you think He would know what He was talking about?