[MitzaLizalor]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

.. blatant chicanery and flim flam.

I have even heard people say that we are the aliens and native earthlings are octopusses and squids - but then they say that our bodies are from earth and that our nervous system is the alien. I would have thought it more consistent to have things the other way around (since octopusses already have nervous systems) but I suppose that joined-up thinking is not a strong suit in the i-channel-aliens-on-my-ouija-board-please-bring-cash community.
What a bunch of freaks

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

Seems to me that what you've uncovered here, Sister, is a person desperate to believe in anything at all that suggests itself to his mind and is trying to use convenient bits of scripture to paper over the cracks in his reasoning. I've never seen such blatant chicanery and flim flam.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

Genesis 1:16c-17a ..he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven

Well, we do have the Mad Prophet within our own community. He believes in Spaceship Jesus. Mr Helmholtz' thread But then, he always was one disciple short of a Last Supper.

NOTE: The youtube clip is unavailable in the following post from Mad Prophet but he has included a description:

"..a blue light seemed to soar up from behind a mountain. It stopped mid-air, then began to circulate. Within seconds a giant spiral had covered the entire sky .. Fred Hansen, from Bø in Vesterålen, described the sight as 'like a big fireball that went around, with a great light around it again.'"

Mr Helmholtz includes this statement in his signature: To this day, I still receive SPACESHIP RADIO SIGNALS INTO MY BRAIN

Well there are wheels within wheels operating there but the bottom line is that someone might see that interesting British missile system test and think "alien assault" or "Kraken loses plot" - and of course they would interpret everything they saw in that light.
Ezekiel was not mad but had some misgivings about what God revealed. Nevertheless God engaged in dialogue with him Ezekiel 2:1 and however he interpreted what he saw did not detract from understanding what God wanted him to do.

The pharisees and chief Priests understood what God was telling them, too Matthew 21:45. They were not following His word any more than false "scientists" and demon inspired "ufologists" do today in seeking to lead us astray.

When Jesus talked to the pharisees He clearly understood their bias: sprung from hell, He said, and building a vault of death within: Matthew 23:15,27. As Christians we follow Jesus' example. That is why we can see through anti-scriptural dogma of the 21st century. We do not agree with it but we do understand it.

Some deceptions are more plausible than others and false "science" is mixed up with the real thing which is why it's so important to read The Bible and to understand what it says.

Genesis 1:1-5 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness† was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


The idea that planets formed from the dust of pre-existing stars (which had exploded) contradicts The Word of God. The Earth was created first and there was no light† until God created it. Next He created the sky and the oceans, grass & flowering plants & fruit trees and then later on He made the sun and the moon. At this stage there were no stars because God hadn't made any.

False "scientists" (who so far have created nothing) disagree with God (who has created everything) and therefore see no reason to denounce the extraterrestrial fiction for what it is. "O.." they warble "there are so many trillions stars out there that in 17¾ billion years there's bound to be "other" inhabited "planets"

But there are not. There is nowhere for these extraterrestrial aliens to live, nowhere for them to come from. Sure, there is a star called -Centauri. God made it on day 4 of creation. It did not agglomerate from some pre-existing star that blew up, because there were no stars at all before day 4, no swirling dust clouds and no "alien" paradise. There was only the Earth.

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context from GENESIS and EZEKIEL here

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

What do you think?

I don't have an opinion as such. The raelians clearly target individuals who are incapable of critical thinking, otherwise they wouldn't propose an infinite regression:

Who Created the *Elohim? [paragraph 1]
If we believed in God, we might ask "Who created God". If we believed in evolution and the "Big Bang" we might ask "where did this matter and energy come from that created the big-bang?".
For the Elohim, it is the same - they were created by people coming from the sky as were their creators. It's an infinite cycle of life. One day scientists from earth will also go to another planet and populate it.

*"The Elohim" is what Rael calls the scientists who supposedly introduced lifo to Earth

It is not so much the fact of his blasphemous assertion or the bizarre curcumstances of his "encounter" or even the fallacious logic presented on the raelian site that concerns me - might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb after all and if he's chosen to abscond with the whole flock well, c'est la vie: he's not the first person to choose brimstone fire & torment is he? - as the notion of extraterrestrials itself which opposes The Bible in very fundamental ways. Take a look at this clip [and I'll have to return later]:

this is clip #2

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

He will not be manifesting inside a volcano.

Sister, while I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis, I must confess to a twinge of doubt. Maybe there is something lurking in that volcano. A demon? A monster? Alot of fire? Who knows!


This could be lurking in the volcano. Very brightly lurking.

Do you think God would disapprove if we investigated the volcano?

I suggest we mount an expedition, in concert with the Raelians. (We probably shouldn't use the word 'mount', given their orgiastic proclivities.)

They will provide cameras and other recording equipment. The Raelians will go in first, since they can converse with the aliens, if such exist. If they don't tell us via walkie-talkie (after they are inside) that it's safe for Christians, we can wait outside.

Whoever comes back out can then inform us of what they'd discovered, and show audio-video evidence!

If nobody comes out of the volcano, then we can explain to the press that God smote the Raelians for being God-mocking, fornicating doo-doo heads.

What do you think?

[godisgreater]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

Whore

I can assure you Pastor, I have been called many things in my life and Whore is not one of them.

Forgive me if I have come accross as such, I only long a man to cook, clean and raise children for.

Lust is something I do not lust for.

Amen

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

a cult of alien worshipers who throw orgies

I have no idea why atheists need excuses for an orgy. I'd have thought, for the type of person willing to attend one in the first place, the fact that there is an orgy tonight would itself be sufficient reason to turn up.

The idea that "aliens" can approve such behaviour [scroll down] is anti-Biblical as indeed is the supposed manner in which they reveal themselves.

MARK 13
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

There is quite a lot of material in that linked brochure and it falls into 3 categories aimed at 3 different target audiences. I will only address one of them here and use a little video clip:

this is clip #1

I'm not commenting on writing skills or other tricks-of-the-trade ("Rael" is a journalist) as such but on what these "aliens" claim, according to their prophet. The passage from Mark tells us that many such prophets shall appear, that they will not be real [Rael claims to be a messenger rather than a prophet but as the mouthpiece for these "extraterrestrials" that is effectively his rôle] and most importantly we are explicitly warned not to heed such entreaties as "Lo, here" or "Lo, there" [v21] which includes "Lo, in this volcano" and Jesus went out of His way to make sure we understood what He meant: such deceptions will occur: He has told us they will occur [vv23-25] and we are to disregard them.

John1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Throughout the Raelian site there are descriptions of supposed alien activities, such as travel to Earth, the introduction of life here and their desire to pop back from time to time (now, for example). Claiming responsibility for the appearance of life on the Earth is to equate oneself with Christ and Jesus has explained [v26] that when He returns EVERYONE WILL KNOW.

He will not be manifesting inside a volcano.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

Do you know of any kind and handsome Christian men on this forum looking for a wife? The question is completely off topic, but my desperation grows with each minute of the day

Whore

[godisgreater]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

Because they are sex perverts. Did you read the link from Rev. Flint? Perhaps you noticed an awful lot of material outlining this feature of the Raelian movement. Founded by an ex-racingcar-driver sports journalist and having minimum "beauty standards" for a predominately female membership does not sound like a recipe for chastity does it? These libertines exhibit at new age gatherings I'd imagine. Talking to them might be helpful in understanding their ideas.

They are correct in saying that "The Elohim" in classical Hebrew is a plural word however.

The model you used with the cup and saucer was quite interesting - helped me to understand some of the stuff I've heard they talk about. The teacup seemed a good parallel for the volcano where "first contact" was made but I very much doubt that God wants us to be deceived in this matter. I will think about what you've posted tonight when I'm reading The Bible.

Thank you for contributing.

I too shall learn of this Ralien concept to further my knowledge on the devils works. Keep your enemies close as they say.

If God wanted us decieved we would be of either jewish or negro decent! Thankyou for you're kind words on my addition to the thread Mitza. I will assure you that I will always try and assist my fellow Christian sisters in any matter.

Ps. Do you know of any kind and handsome Christian men on this forum looking for a wife? The question is completely off topic, but my desperation grows with each minute of the day

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

..figure out why atheists would make up aliens fly these things around

Because they are sex perverts. Did you read the link from Rev. Flint? Perhaps you noticed an awful lot of material outlining this feature of the Raelian movement. Founded by an ex-racingcar-driver sports journalist and having minimum "beauty standards" for a predominately female membership does not sound like a recipe for chastity does it? These libertines exhibit at new age gatherings I'd imagine. Talking to them might be helpful in understanding their ideas.

They are correct in saying that "The Elohim" in classical Hebrew is a plural word however.

The model you used with the cup and saucer was quite interesting - helped me to understand some of the stuff I've heard they talk about. The teacup seemed a good parallel for the volcano where "first contact" was made but I very much doubt that God wants us to be deceived in this matter. I will think about what you've posted tonight when I'm reading The Bible.

Thank you for contributing.

[godisgreater]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

Forgive my ignorance, but how does one get a saucer to fly? I assume one will not lift off with a cup of tea on it, seems like a good way to keep your saucers from lifting off!

Below, the aerodynamic saucer seems to be susceptible to achieving flight. As you can see the cup is not on the saucer to prevent this




Below is a method I would use to prevent a saucer from achieving flight. Note the cup is filled with tea to help weigh the saucer down.



I pray this resolves the issue. Now I just need to figure out why atheists would make up aliens fly these things around

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

There are no such things as aliens, other than the wetback kind. Filthy joos and atheists made up the alien myths as another tool to draw people away from Jesus.

They even have a cult of alien worshipers who throw orgies all the time.

[Rapture Eddie]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

Well, we do have the Mad Prophet within our own community.
He believes in Spaceship Jesus. http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21816


But then, he always was one disciple short of a Last Supper.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

I agree with Mitza. *pats woman on head* God is totally rad. If only kids these days could pay attention long enough to take their ADD medication, they would understand that.

The enlargement of the cranium is probably caused by anal sex with demons, not aliens. There is no evidence of anything contrary to the Bible, in fact, because even if there were such evidence, it would only prove that God is using Satan to test our immutable faith. Thus aliens equal demons. QED.

Thank you for confirming that demons and aliens are the same thing, Mr Jenkins. I had suspected as much. I'm also very suspicious of leprechauns, pixies and goblins.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: There is no "god" in flying saucers

I agree with Mitza. *pats woman on head* God is totally rad. If only kids these days could pay attention long enough to take their ADD medication, they would understand that.

The enlargement of the cranium is probably caused by anal sex with demons, not aliens. There is no evidence of anything contrary to the Bible, in fact, because even if there were such evidence, it would only prove that God is using Satan to test our immutable faith. Thus aliens equal demons. QED.