[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

No.
I did not.

Did too:

My understanding of the disorder is that I have autism.

You argue knowledge of autism is founded in your personal experiences. Traits that don't match your own experiences are dismissed as not being autistic (ie, behavior that you attribute to be a "spoiled brat").

My "foolish" claims, are what the definition of "dyslexia" and "ADHD" say.

Which definitions? From what source? And more importantly, does it conform to the Word of the God?

I'm sorry.
Since you're obviously the expert, why don't you provide some data as to what category "ADHD" and "Dyslexia" are inside of.
So in fact, it's not my foolish claims.
It's yours.

I'm "obviously the expert" now? What was that about straw men arguments? It's not my burden to prove, dear. If you want people to accept your claim as legitimate and accurate, you'll have to do better than appeal to our simply trusting you because you believe it yourself to be true.

[Helper]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

Now how about you provide some evidence?

Oh seriously?
Really?
Alright. Since I have to spell out LITERALLY EVERYTHING to you.


Having a mental disorder that impairs daily functioning.


Happy?
There.
Want evidence?

https://www.additudemag.com/autism-aspergers-adhd-symptoms-in-children/

ADHD and Asperger's sydrome are both autism.
Go figure.
Now if you knew how to use google, you'd know that.
But I'm glad to help.


Now that I provided evidence making your questions seem completely pointless, anything else you'd like to argue with?

[Helper]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

Yes you did. You claimed you have personal knowledge of autism and therefore those behaviors that don't resonate with you personally don't "count." It's a remarkably self-centered (auto-ism, ha!) conclusion, but it lacks objective data. Furthermore, your foolish claims that dyslexia and ADHD are part of the autistic spectrum is merely wishful thinking.

No.
I did not.
And if you didn't make false claims, and would politely quote where I did say that, I would appreciate that.
What you did, is called a straw man.




My "foolish" claims, are what the definition of "dyslexia" and "ADHD" say.
I'm sorry.
Since you're obviously the expert, why don't you provide some data as to what category "ADHD" and "Dyslexia" are inside of.
So in fact, it's not my foolish claims.
It's yours.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

I didn't claim that.

Yes you did. You claimed you have personal knowledge of autism and therefore those behaviors that don't resonate with you personally don't "count." It's a remarkably self-centered (auto-ism, ha!) conclusion, but it lacks objective data. Furthermore, your foolish claims that dyslexia and ADHD are part of the autistic spectrum is merely wishful thinking.


I noticed you ignored Mitza's Biblical explanation. Care to explain why you think you know more about the human condition than Jesus Christ Almighty Himself who personally invented it?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

Autism, is having a disorder.

No it's not. Haemophilia is "having a disorder" but it's got nothing to do with autism EVIDENCE

This disorder isn't SOLELY one thing.
It can be a number of different disorders.
From Dyslexia, to Asperger's, to ADHD.
That's how they relate.

Now how about you provide some evidence?

[Helper]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

What has Asperger's got to do with autism?

Autism, is having a disorder. This disorder isn't SOLELY one thing.
It can be a number of different disorders.
From Dyslexia, to Asperger's, to ADHD.
That's how they relate.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

It's a disorder linked with Asperger syndrome.

What has Asperger's got to do with autism?

[Helper]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

What has dyslexia got to do with autism?

It's a disorder linked with Asperger syndrome.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

What has dyslexia got to do with autism?

[Helper]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

Well, darn, there goes my killer True Christian instinct.

The Spirit may fail me here, but I can't defend everything that has been said in this thread in regards to autism.

I think your time would be better spent reading about autism than in arguing with people who don't share your first-hand experience. They may have some learning to do-- but as Christ says, take care of the beam in your own eye first.

And to do that, you're going to have to do a lot of reading-- and more, a lot of thinking, because there are a lot of people saying things about autism that aren't true, and it's no simple task to identify those who are speaking falsely.

Agreed.

[Mister Brasil]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

Not all autism is a behavioral problem.
And that not all behavioral problems are autism.

Well, darn, there goes my killer True Christian instinct.

The Spirit may fail me here, but I can't defend everything that has been said in this thread in regards to autism.

I think your time would be better spent reading about autism than in arguing with people who don't share your first-hand experience. They may have some learning to do-- but as Christ says, take care of the beam in your own eye first.

And to do that, you're going to have to do a lot of reading-- and more, a lot of thinking, because there are a lot of people saying things about autism that aren't true, and it's no simple task to identify those who are speaking falsely.

[Helper]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

If you have autism, that doesn't mean that everyone with autism is like you.

Read the links, helper.

I didn't claim that.
But you did claim that everyone with autism is simply trying to find an excuse for bad parenting.
Which isn't true.


What I did claim? That not all autism is a behavioral problem.
And that not all behavioral problems are autism.

[Mister Brasil]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

My understanding of the disorder is that I have autism.
And the general view of autism isn't somebody who throw's hissy fits or is a spoiled brat.

Can I offer, intending no offense: that sounds like a uniquely autistic view of autism.

If you have autism, that doesn't mean that everyone with autism is like you.

Read the links, helper.

[Helper]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

see how well that meshes with your understanding of the disorder.

My understanding of the disorder is that I have autism.
And the general view of autism isn't somebody who throw's hissy fits or is a spoiled brat.
Most people simply view that as being a spoiled brat, including me.
But there are some cases of autism, that are actually autism in my opinion.
Such as dyslexia.

[Mister Brasil]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

And neither of those cases, would be counted as autism.
They would be counted as mental insanity.

"Mental insanity" isn't a technical term. You may be looking for "mental illness" or "psychosis."

Autism is categorized as mental illness according to current psychiatric practice, which defines Autism Spectrum Disorder in the DSM-- the psychiatrist's "bible" (lol, right).

There has been some push-back against this, although one has to wonder why. Dr. Rettew writes for Psychology Today,

In a classic “be careful what you wish for” moment, they were successful enough to convince some insurance companies not to cover patient visits with psychiatrists that were related solely to autism, leaving some families scrambling to get the care they need.

For the other side of the debate, check out Jill (no title) Rubolino's cogent essay, where she clearly explains that autism cannot be a mental disorder because it is caused by vaccines, and mental illness does not have a cause. I can't quite understand everything she says, but my dear President agrees with her regarding vaccines, and that's a strong argument in her favor. You judge-- or not, since I know you're not into that kind of thing.

Now a child who has a hard time focusing, but otherwise has great behavior, would be diagnosed with autism.

I think you may be confused by the current consensus that autism exists on a spectrum, and that some who suffer from the disorder behave as you describe. Indeed, there may be some devils that are terrible and some that are tiny. However, the verses quoted are consistent with the symptoms of severe autism. Unfortunately, Youtube isn't loading for me currently (God and GOP be thanked for the repeal of satanic "net neutrality"), so I can't currently find any videos displaying the exact symptoms mentioned. If you can afford a "fast lane," you might try to take a look yourself. If, however, you as a meek Christian cannot afford such luxuries, you might check out this description of the symptoms of severe autism and see how well that meshes with your understanding of the disorder.