[Helper]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

The Bible includes numerous examples of autistic symptoms, such as not speaking, but unlike the medical profession it also tells us the cause. Devils are the cause, in my first example.

Mark 9 . KJV . look up
17-18 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; and wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.
20-21 And they brought him unto [Jesus] and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
25b-27 [Jesus] rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.
28-29 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

Jesus did not say to His disciples, "The reason why you couldn't cast this devil out from the possessed child is because he has a mental disorder preventing him from speaking which is not a devil at all," did He. No. Jesus explained that this was a special kind of devil, very resistant to exorcism.

My next example is of an adult. This one likes cutting which helps us to recognise an EMO as they seem to call themselves nowadays. Not all EMO's are autistic, they are very keen to point this out when posting, but willingness to self harm is often noted and again Jesus explains something we would get confused about if we tried to work it out for ourselves.

Mark 5 . KJV . look up
2b-5 There met [Jesus] out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6-8 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him and cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
15-16a And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil.

Once again Jesus had an opportunity to tell us about mental disorders, about how cutting is just another type of self-expression. He did not do so because He recognised the symptoms for what they really are: DEVILS in possession of a human and which need to be EXORCISED.

"Ha, ha," Jesus did not say "I know, I know, you all think this is a devil, some sort of unclean spirit waving this man's arms around like trees in the wind; but it's not." Quite the reverse. Jesus knew this was devils and so devils it is. Notice right at the end the people saw this guy clothed, and in his right mind? The word is there, available for Jesus to use. Mind. Where mental disorders appear. Jesus did not use that word for a reason.

What would you say that reason was?

And neither of those cases, would be counted as autism.
They would be counted as mental insanity.
AKA: Demons or drugs.


Now a child who has a hard time focusing, but otherwise has great behavior, would be diagnosed with autism.


See the difference?




The reason Jesus didn't use the word mind?
I think he simply didn't use it.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

The Bible includes numerous examples of autistic symptoms, such as not speaking, but unlike the medical profession it also tells us the cause. Devils are the cause, in my first example.

Mark 9 . KJV . look up
17-18 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; and wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.
20-21 And they brought him unto [Jesus] and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
25b-27 [Jesus] rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.
28-29 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

Jesus did not say to His disciples, "The reason why you couldn't cast this devil out from the possessed child is because he has a mental disorder preventing him from speaking which is not a devil at all," did He. No. Jesus explained that this was a special kind of devil, very resistant to exorcism.

My next example is of an adult. This one likes cutting which helps us to recognise an EMO as they seem to call themselves nowadays. Not all EMO's are autistic, they are very keen to point this out when posting, but willingness to self harm is often noted and again Jesus explains something we would get confused about if we tried to work it out for ourselves.

Mark 5 . KJV . look up
2b-5 There met [Jesus] out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6-8 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him and cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
15-16a And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil.

Once again Jesus had an opportunity to tell us about mental disorders, about how cutting is just another type of self-expression. He did not do so because He recognised the symptoms for what they really are: DEVILS in possession of a human and which need to be EXORCISED.

"Ha, ha," Jesus did not say "I know, I know, you all think this is a devil, some sort of unclean spirit waving this man's arms around like trees in the wind; but it's not." Quite the reverse. Jesus knew this was devils and so devils it is. Notice right at the end the people saw this guy clothed, and in his right mind? The word is there, available for Jesus to use. Mind. Where mental disorders appear. Jesus did not use that word for a reason.

What would you say that reason was?

[AsksDumbQuestions]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

autism is a human with mental disorder for children who acts crazy like "the child hitting itself to get what it wants or screams" , when mad he/she destroys furnatures or items rather than being a normal child drawing pictures of his/her family and animals, knowing what is right or having knowledge.

now its present in adult or adolescents because they cannot focus to grow up. and some are having trouble with their lifes than focusing on what is more wise and holy like ignoring ignorance like bullies.

and yes those weird adults some of them does drugs, sex, gluttony and other things like trying to commit to suicide at an early age like 12-16 age. they never learn because they don't have any parents to take care of them and might be busy or ignoring them. they should go to church every sunday to learn or go to a scholarship on a christian school or get help to stop this early sign of autism.

[Basilissa]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

No, that is what Mary is doing. She's the one who Gish Galloped instead of responding to my rebuttal of her interpretation.

Your rebuttal was properly rebutted not only by Sister Mary but also by Pastor Levi, Brother Gonzalez, and even that shady Didymus person.

There's no point in me continue to provide rebuttals if they are never going to be addressed.

Scrolling up this thread, you haven't really provided much rebuttals, you mostly refrained to one-liners along the lines of "no, I don't agree, so this has to be wrong."

I don't have time to look all those up right now.

Just hover your mouse over them and they should show.

I read what she said, I just didn't read the verses she referenced. And since I already know she was wrong earlier,

You failed to prove it.

I cannot simply trust that she is right this time.

A little biased, aren't we?

But she won't respond to my arguments, so I'm not going to waste my time.

What arguments?

At one point you said that Isaiah 43:25 has nothing to do with God forgiving sins of Christians. Here is the verse in case you don't have time to look it up:

Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

And then you were surprised that your rebuttal was not properly addressed?

Please explain it to me. Maybe I'm the silly one who has trouble understanding plain English?

[CatSci]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

Translation from temper-tantrum into plain American:

"I don't want to accept that my interpretations could be wrong, so I'll just put hands over my ears and close my eyes and sing LA-LA-LA-LA!"

No, that is what Mary is doing. She's the one who Gish Galloped instead of responding to my rebuttal of her interpretation.

There's no point in me continue to provide rebuttals if they are never going to be addressed.

Too, I got another infraction, 100 points this time, so really - it's like this whole site is singing LA-LA-LA-LA when they just try to silence the truth.

After reading Sister Mary's post and then your reply, am I to understand that you do not ignore but rather deeply cherish and agree with verses such as Exodus 15:3, Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 13:6-10, Joshua 24:19, Psalm 137:9, Hosea 13:16, Luke 14:26, Acts 3:22-24, Revelation 2:23, and all the other verses which indicate that God is cruel and vindictive, and not some kind of free-love-for-all hippie?

I don't have time to look all those up right now.

I want to be impressed, but I suspect that you did not, in fact, read what Sister Mary said (due to your la-la-la temper tantrum), and you just wrote some random stuff that doesn't actually address the issues she raised.

I read what she said, I just didn't read the verses she referenced. And since I already know she was wrong earlier, I cannot simply trust that she is right this time.

But she won't respond to my arguments, so I'm not going to waste my time.

[Basilissa]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

I've already proven that you interpret the Bible wrongly and cannot be trusted, and have told you that until you address my rebuttals of your previous interpretations that I would not be consider more verses from you.

Translation from temper-tantrum into plain American:

"I don't want to accept that my interpretations could be wrong, so I'll just put hands over my ears and close my eyes and sing LA-LA-LA-LA!"

OYou're a cherry-picking kind of false-Christian. You've been shown only the juicy, ripe cherries on the tree and had no idea all those other ones - the cherries people find bitter or rotten or infested with worms and growing mold - are even there. That's the difference between a True Christian™ and a false one - True Christians™ accept the entirety of Scripture, no matter how distasteful it may be to the flesh.

Modern churches teach students to ignore what's not juicy and pleasing, but that presents the same problem as "fair" and "kind." When the entire Scripture is understood to be subjectively known, then no one is wrong, and without wrong there can be no right.

Nope, swing and a miss.

Apparently your psychoanalytical skills are as poor as your Biblical interpretation skills.

After reading Sister Mary's post and then your reply, am I to understand that you do not ignore but rather deeply cherish and agree with verses such as Exodus 15:3, Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 13:6-10, Joshua 24:19, Psalm 137:9, Hosea 13:16, Luke 14:26, Acts 3:22-24, Revelation 2:23, and all the other verses which indicate that God is cruel and vindictive, and not some kind of free-love-for-all hippie?

I want to be impressed, but I suspect that you did not, in fact, read what Sister Mary said (due to your la-la-la temper tantrum), and you just wrote some random stuff that doesn't actually address the issues she raised.

[CatSci]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

So your entire argument breaks apart. The Bible doesn't, nor can it logically, call for True Christians™ to be fair and kind, for this is an impossible standard. Do you know what's not an impossible standard? Belief. Believe on Christ and be Saved, doubt or reject His Gospel and be Damned forever and ever (John 3:18).


Then act like it.



I've already told you, I'm impervious to lies, and all sins (1st John 3:6-9). I've been Saved, washed clean by the Blood of Christ, and have no desire to sin any more (1st John 5:18). My judgement will be a glorious moment in which I hear the words, "Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord." (Matthew 25:23)



Well that would be quite a trick to say the Holy Bible doesn't make certain claims, despite those very claims written on the page. But sure. Go ahead. Let's see you try. Tell me the Bible doesn't claim that Jesus will blot out my sins, that He will remember them no more. Then tell me why He lied when He had Isaiah write these claims.

I've already proven that you interpret the Bible wrongly and cannot be trusted, and have told you that until you address my rebuttals of your previous interpretations that I would not be consider more verses from you.

I think that's it. You're a cherry-picking kind of false-Christian. You've been shown only the juicy, ripe cherries on the tree and had no idea all those other ones - the cherries people find bitter or rotten or infested with worms and growing mold - are even there. That's the difference between a True Christian™ and a false one - True Christians™ accept the entirety of Scripture, no matter how distasteful it may be to the flesh.

Modern churches teach students to ignore what's not juicy and pleasing, but that presents the same problem as "fair" and "kind." When the entire Scripture is understood to be subjectively known, then no one is wrong, and without wrong there can be no right.

Under these circumstances, one's faith is in reality a personal comfort, a mental baby blanket to wrap oneself around when upset, a mental exercise that draws on memories of feeling safe and loved. This faith is simply the ability to self-soothe when necessary. Images of a kindly, mellow friendly, non-judgmental god-man offering support and encouragement are conjured in the mind, but this isn't real faith. This is a phantasm, a ghost, an image, a shadow of what really is.

My poor dear, your faith is not in Christ, it is in your own imagination's ability to comfort you when you seek solace. It lies in the power you have to ease your own pain when you are in need of comfort. Consider instead the Holy Bible means what It says, and says exactly what It means. Consider Redemption. We can help.

Nope, swing and a miss.


Apparently your psychoanalytical skills are as poor as your Biblical interpretation skills.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

Now your resorting to name calling? I mean, when you're wrong you are wrong, but there's no reason to be so immature.


I'd tell you how I really feal, but Alvin Moss sent me a PM calling me a "Sassy-Mouthed Feminazi Bitch"* for offering backsass back to you and handed me an infraction of 43 points (whatever that means).


Apparently you are allowed to sass me but I am not allowed to sass you. Go figure.

I have a simple solution, follow your own advice to be "fair" and "kind" and stop backsassing me.

Well duh, it's kind of needed for the definition. But so what?

So your entire argument breaks apart. The Bible doesn't, nor can it logically, call for True Christians™ to be fair and kind, for this is an impossible standard. Do you know what's not an impossible standard? Belief. Believe on Christ and be Saved, doubt or reject His Gospel and be Damned forever and ever (John 3:18).

Between 30 and 40 years old.

Then act like it.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I don't recall saying that specifically, but if He's ignoring your sins, what is He judging you on? What you say that you believe? What about when your actions prove that you don't really believe it? No doubt God knows you'd be lying...

I've already told you, I'm impervious to lies, and all sins (1st John 3:6-9). I've been Saved, washed clean by the Blood of Christ, and have no desire to sin any more (1st John 5:18). My judgement will be a glorious moment in which I hear the words, "Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord." (Matthew 25:23)

Ha, no. That's not even logical. I could just be saying that you're wrong in thinking that the Bible claims that, for instance.

Well that would be quite a trick to say the Holy Bible doesn't make certain claims, despite those very claims written on the page. But sure. Go ahead. Let's see you try. Tell me the Bible doesn't claim that Jesus will blot out my sins, that He will remember them no more. Then tell me why He lied when He had Isaiah write these claims.

Or did you not know these claims exist? I think that's it. You're a cherry-picking kind of false-Christian. You've been shown only the juicy, ripe cherries on the tree and had no idea all those other ones - the cherries people find bitter or rotten or infested with worms and growing mold - are even there. That's the difference between a True Christian™ and a false one - True Christians™ accept the entirety of Scripture, no matter how distasteful it may be to the flesh.

Modern churches teach students to ignore what's not juicy and pleasing, but that presents the same problem as "fair" and "kind." When the entire Scripture is understood to be subjectively known, then no one is wrong, and without wrong there can be no right.

Under these circumstances, one's faith is in reality a personal comfort, a mental baby blanket to wrap oneself around when upset, a mental exercise that draws on memories of feeling safe and loved. This faith is simply the ability to self-soothe when necessary. Images of a kindly, mellow friendly, non-judgmental god-man offering support and encouragement are conjured in the mind, but this isn't real faith. This is a phantasm, a ghost, an image, a shadow of what really is.

My poor dear, your faith is not in Christ, it is in your own imagination's ability to comfort you when you seek solace. It lies in the power you have to ease your own pain when you are in need of comfort. Consider instead the Holy Bible means what It says, and says exactly what It means. Consider Redemption. We can help.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

...And it flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus - who taught us to not worry so much about this OT stuff, and focus on loving each other instead...

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Some obvious impostor said that, and it obviously got included in the Bible by total random error, obviously?

...It's like those interpretations I rejected above, where you have to know the secret decoding information to properly interpret what the verse actually means. I think it had something to do with "toilet purposes"...

"Secret decoding information" = common knowledge of the cultural norms of the era (many of which persist to this day in that area of the globe).

The "passive aggressive" thing is, admittedly, my reading, which though Landover hasn't adopted it as official Church policy (it's not Salvation-crucial, so meh), 1) the True Christians™ have never disagreed, and 2) it totally fits Jesus' portrayal in the Gospels. I mean, a god who says "you have to do everything I tell you to do (and perfectly, see John 2:10) or I won't love you enough to not torture you forever" before letting some lowly humans whip and torture him and hang him on a stick because we're just so awful to him (by not praising him constantly for, literally, everything, because he made it, remember). Not completely PA? Really?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

In the United States today? No, that's not what Deuteronomy is saying. Check out the preface:


"These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the wilderness east of the Jordan—that is, in the Arabah—opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth and Dizahab. (It takes eleven days to go from Horeb to Kadesh Barnea by the Mount Seir road.) In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses proclaimed to the Israelites all that the Lord had commanded him concerning them. ..."


I'm not an Israelite, so these commands from the Lord do not concern *me*. God doesn't want me to force girls who get raped to marry their rapists, that stuff is almost pre-historic.

By your logic, you can say this about literally any part of the Bible. Watch...

And it flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus - who taught us to not worry so much about this OT stuff, and focus on loving each other instead.

31 When he was gone, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him. 32 If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.
33 “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come.
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

This is a closed audience. Jesus is only meeting with the 12 here, so again by your logic, Jesus is only speaking to the 12.

See how that works?

I don't agree to that - the Bible doesn't say that I have to believe that girls who get raped should be forced to marry their rapists in order to be a Christian. And again, that flies in the face of what Jesus taught us.

Like the part about not one letter or punctuation mark of the Old Testament passing away?

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Well that goes against this site's principle of "least scripture twisting", now doesn't it?

We do. You don't. You read the Bible with an Xacto knife and a highlighter. We wallow in its entirety.

[CatSci]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

You truly believe that girls who get raped should be forced to marry their rapists?

In the United States today? No, that's not what Deuteronomy is saying. Check out the preface:


"These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the wilderness east of the Jordan—that is, in the Arabah—opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth and Dizahab. (It takes eleven days to go from Horeb to Kadesh Barnea by the Mount Seir road.) In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses proclaimed to the Israelites all that the Lord had commanded him concerning them. ..."


I'm not an Israelite, so these commands from the Lord do not concern *me*. God doesn't want me to force girls who get raped to marry their rapists, that stuff is almost pre-historic. And it flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus - who taught us to not worry so much about this OT stuff, and focus on loving each other instead.

The True Christians™ do. That's the bar the Bible sets for those who would call themselves "Christian".

I don't agree to that - the Bible doesn't say that I have to believe that girls who get raped should be forced to marry their rapists in order to be a Christian. And again, that flies in the face of what Jesus taught us.

And to the True Christians™: my apologies (in advance) for the ensuing "oh but those words in plain English don't mean what they seem to and I know that I know the Truth because the Spirit talks through me and me alone" bullshit to come from our visitor.

Well that goes against this site's principle of "least scripture twisting", now doesn't it?


It's like those interpretations I rejected above, where you have to know the secret decoding information to properly interpret what the verse actually means. I think it had something to do with "toilet purposes".


From Pastor Billy-Reuben: "We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means."


I'm pretty sure a child wouldn't make *that* connection.

[CatSci]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

That's all right, Didymus. We're used to it, just as we're used to people piling in and starting an argument without having the courtesy to (a) read the thread they're posting on or (b) first start a thread in the Introduction Forum to introduce themselves, as requested by the pastors when they join these forums. Maybe the inability to follow even the simplest instructions is an autistic thing - fortunately, I wouldn't know.

I got the recommendation via email to 'post in the Introductions forum first' after I had already posted on this thread.


Since you can't know: You're wrong, my inability was caused by a delay in communication, not an autistic thing.


I did start reading the thread, and then found a message that elicited a reply - should I have done that differently?

[CatSci]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

Don't be such a cry-baby.

Now your resorting to name calling? I mean, when you're wrong you are wrong, but there's no reason to be so immature.


I'd tell you how I really feal, but Alvin Moss sent me a PM calling me a "Sassy-Mouthed Feminazi Bitch"* for offering backsass back to you and handed me an infraction of 43 points (whatever that means).


Apparently you are allowed to sass me but I am not allowed to sass you. Go figure.


*that's hilarious because I'm a conservative male and not a femisnist, although I can return a little sass when it's dished out to me - unfortunately the moderation here is extremely biased. I assume I'll get booted sometime soon. I know your ideas can't stand up to opposition so it must be silenced.

You may think I act like a jerk but the Bible tells me this is to be expected. The Gospel is foolishness to the Spiritually Walking Dead (1 Corinthians 1:18), and True Christians™ will always be a mystery to sinners like you.

You don't know anything about my sins, and you're really no mystery: I'm seeing you plain as day.

"Fair" and "kind" are subjectively determined.

Well duh, it's kind of needed for the definition. But so what? A lot of things are subjectively determined, like you calling me a sinner, so no biggie.

Do you see how fairness can be understood and applied according to various cultural expectations?

I do see how it could, but am missing the problem? It's not that it must.

You may not think it's "fair" for a rapist to be punished by being compelled to marry the woman he victimizes, but God doesn't care (Deuteronomy 22:28-29).

You've shown me that I cannot trust your interpretations of Bible verses, and you refuse to respond to my arguments against your interpretations.


So there's really nothing for me to do with this.

So I would suggest you stop worrying about "fair" and start focusing on how you can serve the Lord thy God without whining.

Consider it done already.

No deal.

Well, you are literally unable to know what I'm thinking, and I'm the best person to determine what it is I am actually thinking, so maybe you should reconsider. Or you could waste this opportunity.

Instead, you can recognize what the Holy Bible actually says to believe or stop calling yourself a believer.

You've already proven to me that you don't understand the verses that you reference, so I cannot rely on you to provide what the Bible actually says.

You are holding this conversation hostage until I address your rebuttal of Isaiah? Goodness, how old are you?

Between 30 and 40 years old.

You say it's not relevant that God ignores my sins when He judges me for my behavior.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I don't recall saying that specifically, but if He's ignoring your sins, what is He judging you on? What you say that you believe? What about when your actions prove that you don't really believe it? No doubt God knows you'd be lying...


Or do you consider that a behavior that you are immune from judgement on? 'Cause you'd just be you assuming you know what you're talking about, and that's already been shown to be wrong.

You say these things are not true despite the Holy Bible making these claims.

Ha, no. That's not even logical. I could just be saying that you're wrong in thinking that the Bible claims that, for instance.


I do reject your interpretations that I've already exegeted, and until you address my rebuttals I'm not going to be able to further the discussion.


But please don't read too much into that and go on a tirade trying to tell me what I think. I won't read it and it would be a waste of your time.

Your responses fall into the category of rendering Bible verses irrelevant when they don't line up with your personal experience, just like I said. All caught up now?

I'm caught up, but you're wrong again. It's not that your interpretations don't line up with my personal experience, it's that you're interpretions don't line up with what the Bible actually says.


I've proven that. Until you address my rebuttals of your interpretations, there's really no way to move forward. I simply cannot trust your faulty interpretations of the Bible.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

The Bible tells you to be mean-spirited, unkind, and unfair?

Don't be such a cry-baby. The Bible tells me to judge with righteousness and put away from my company those who do not have Jesus in their hearts (1 Corinthians 5:13).

Well that was just prejudiced. Please don't act like a jerk.

You may think I act like a jerk but the Bible tells me this is to be expected. The Gospel is foolishness to the Spiritually Walking Dead (1 Corinthians 1:18), and True Christians(tm) will always be a mystery to sinners like you.

No, I don't.

Then you're not thinking very hard about this. "Fair" and "kind" are subjectively determined. It is "fair" to expect a woman to wear a full burqa in Saudi Arabia, while it is "fair" to expect a woman on the beach in France to have no top. Do you see how fairness can be understood and applied according to various cultural expectations? Even in one culture, microcultural expectations are different. It is "fair" in an Italian-American family to yell and shout when upset with someone. It is "fair" in a British-American family to keep one's emotions suppressed and solve issues quietly. You may not think it's "fair" for a rapist to be punished by being compelled to marry the woman he victimizes, but God doesn't care (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). So I would suggest you stop worrying about "fair" and start focusing on how you can serve the Lord thy God without whining.

Sure, but as they say: you get more bees with honey.

I kill bees when I see them.

I'm surprised you're fighting so strongly against the simple notion of being nice.

Ask anyone here. They'll tell you I'm quite nice.

Nope. Hey, how about I tell you what I think, and you tell me what you think. And you don't tell me what I think, and I won't tell you what you think.

No deal. Instead, you can recognize what the Holy Bible actually says to believe or stop calling yourself a believer.

Now you're just Gish Galloping...


You were wrong about the verses you posted earlier and you didn't address my responses to them.


Until you do, I will not consider more verses from you.

You are holding this conversation hostage until I address your rebuttal of Isaiah? Goodness, how old are you?

Let me spell it out for you in a 5th grade reading comprehension. You say it's not relevant that God ignores my sins when He judges me for my behavior. You say it's irrelevant that the Bible assures me that once I have been Saved, I am incapable of sinning. You say these things are not true despite the Holy Bible making these claims.

Your responses fall into the category of rendering Bible verses irrelevant when they don't line up with your personal experience, just like I said. All caught up now?

Grace and Peace,


Mary

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Autism - the New Gay

And to the True Christians™: my apologies (in advance) for the ensuing "oh but those words in plain English don't mean what they seem to and I know that I know the Truth because the Spirit talks through me and me alone" bullshit to come from our visitor.

That's all right, Didymus. We're used to it, just as we're used to people piling in and starting an argument without having the courtesy to (a) read the thread they're posting on or (b) first start a thread in the Introduction Forum to introduce themselves, as requested by the pastors when they join these forums. Maybe the inability to follow even the simplest instructions is an autistic thing - fortunately, I wouldn't know.