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  • Ahimaaz Smith
    True Christian™
    True Christian™
    • Nov 2007
    • 2549

    #16
    Re: Evolution

    Originally posted by snottyduck View Post
    Yes I read that part of variable lightspeeds but none of this has been proven, not even remotely, it's just an assumption of some creationists to fit in their belief that the earth is only 6000 years old.
    It has not been proven, not even remotely, that the speed of light has remained constant since the beginning.

    See the talk by João Magueijo regarding why mainstream scientists are open to the possibility that the speed of light is not constant. Now, I'm not a big fan of Magueijo--like other non-creation science "scientists," he believes in Darwinian evolution, a universe many billions of years old, the kinetic theory of gasses, etc. But at least you can see in his work that the mainstream scientific view of the universe is based on assumptions that deserved to be challenged.

    Sometimes you must swallow your ego and look at the facts.
    Can you do the same? Please explain the following to me:

    In the Book of Isaiah, written about 700 years before Christ was born, the prophet records among the things that the Lord says:

    When I say of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,’
    he will certainly do as I say.
    He will command, ‘Rebuild Jerusalem’;
    he will say, ‘Restore the Temple.’”

    -- Isaiah 44:28

    100 years later, King Nebuchadnezzar sacked Jerusalem, destryoing the Temple and taking the people of Israel as slaves into exile in Babylon. Around 50 years after that, the emporer Cyrus of Persia conquered the Babylonians, returned the Hebrews to the Promised Land, and paid to rebuild the Temple. These events, and their timing, are well documented in Babylonian, Persian, and Greek texts and the archaeological record.

    So, Mr. Swallow Your Ego and look at the facts, if God didn't tell this to the prophet Isaiah, how did Isaiah know the name of the guy who would rebuild the Temple 150 years later?

    Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name.... Jeremiah 10:25

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    • snottyduck
      Confirmed Enemy of God
      BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
      • Apr 2008
      • 564

      #17
      Re: Evolution

      Originally posted by Ahimaaz Smith View Post
      It has not been proven, not even remotely, that the speed of light has remained constant since the beginning.

      See the talk by João Magueijo regarding why mainstream scientists are open to the possibility that the speed of light is not constant. Now, I'm not a big fan of Magueijo--like other non-creation science "scientists," he believes in Darwinian evolution, a universe many billions of years old, the kinetic theory of gasses, etc. But at least you can see in his work that the mainstream scientific view of the universe is based on assumptions that deserved to be challenged.

      Can you do the same? Please explain the following to me:

      In the Book of Isaiah, written about 700 years before Christ was born, the prophet records among the things that the Lord says:

      When I say of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,’
      he will certainly do as I say.
      He will command, ‘Rebuild Jerusalem’;
      he will say, ‘Restore the Temple.’”

      -- Isaiah 44:28

      100 years later, King Nebuchadnezzar sacked Jerusalem, destryoing the Temple and taking the people of Israel as slaves into exile in Babylon. Around 50 years after that, the emporer Cyrus of Persia conquered the Babylonians, returned the Hebrews to the Promised Land, and paid to rebuild the Temple. These events, and their timing, are well documented in Babylonian, Persian, and Greek texts and the archaeological record.

      So, Mr. Swallow Your Ego and look at the facts, if God didn't tell this to the prophet Isaiah, how did Isaiah know the name of the guy who would rebuild the Temple 150 years later?

      Ah, interesting thing you mention here, while I do believe in science I also believe in premonitions and foreseeing the future, I believe Isaiah had the gift to see into the future and was wise enough to write it down.

      As for the science, I don't have all the answers, that I admit but If they find human remains of 30,000 years old then I can hardly believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old. God created nature and thus he also created the laws of nature, everything has to go according to the laws of nature, the birth of animals and humans, clouds that form, freezing and melting of ice, ... So these laws of nature are a kind of automated system to sustain the life on earth (unless you screw with it of course). The forming of a planet is also a part of that law of nature and forming a planet takes quite a while, but that's not bad, it doesn't matter how old this planet or the universe is or if animals walked the earth first, because it went all to the laws of nature (and thus of God).

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      • Cromwell Bear
        Unsaved trash
        • Oct 2008
        • 5

        #18
        Re: Evolution

        Im sorry, but i do not think anyone that believes only what the bible says , blindy and unquestioningly, without ever taking into account other sources is in no way able to start casting stones when it comes to providing evidence.
        Evolution is a THEORY, it is not fact. Gravity is a THEORY. Creationism is a THEORY.
        None of these things have anything that proves they are correct without a shadow of a doubt, so they cannot be considered FACT.

        Good evidence comes from multiple sources, not from scripture.

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        • Unfalsifiable
          Forum Member
          Forum Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 836

          #19
          Re: Evolution

          Man, it is SO easy to convince people of absolute hogswash! 13 billion years old? Where you there 13 billion years ago to verify that?

          I happen to know GOD was there, and the earth is NOT that old! If you are worried by the tiny amount of physical laws contradicting what the Bible says, look for the more simple explanation, Ockham's Razor, the Bible is not WRONG! Don't be so rash, actually, God placed the Earth in the middle of a wonderful and exciting universe, God had to speed things up for this universe for Earth to be able to enjoy it's magnificence, thus getting the light here a bit quicker.
          READ THE BIBLE

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          • Pastor Ezekiel
            Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
             
            • Sep 2006
            • 78556

            #20
            Re: Evolution

            Originally posted by Cromwell Bear View Post
            Im sorry, but i do not think anyone that believes only what the bible says , blindy and unquestioningly, without ever taking into account other sources is in no way able to start casting stones when it comes to providing evidence.
            Evolution is a THEORY, it is not fact. Gravity is a THEORY. Creationism is a THEORY.
            None of these things have anything that proves they are correct without a shadow of a doubt, so they cannot be considered FACT.

            Good evidence comes from multiple sources, not from scripture.
            Jesus is not a theory you imbecile. Jesus always wins.
            Who Will Jesus Damn?

            Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

            Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

            Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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