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  • A creationist's rebuttal to "Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat."

    An atheist recently came here and brought an article to our attention. Top Ten Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat.

    Honestly, I found this to be extremely liberal mainstream science biased. The author assumes things that are simply false.

    1. The moon. The Bible teaches us that the moon is its own special type of celestial body. It is unique that it produces light in different ways. Sometimes it appears round. Other times it appears as a sliver. It is truly amazing and a testament to God's creation.

    Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    1 Corinthians 15:40 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

    The stars are yet another type of celestial body, but that has been discussed in another scientistic theophesis.

    2. Ships and the "Horizon". They seem to appear only by the top because of perspective and the play of mirages. Haven't you ever "seen" water at the bottom of a roadway in the summertime?

    This obscures the clear line of sight.



    And fog often obscures a clear line of sight.


    Look out, atheists! The Bridge is rising because of the "round earth" .

    3. Varying Star Constellations. This one is funny. Of course the stars will appear differently as they revolve the earth and you will get different constellations. Even the pagans understood this as they named time periods after the constellations as they would pass by in the night in a perfectly tuned universe. More evidence of biblical creation.

    4. Shadows and sticks. We have gone over this before. The sun is not as large as the atheists say. In fact, the sun is only 32 miles in diameter.

    The sun is always somewhere between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, a distance admitted to be less than 3,000 miles; how then can the sun if it be so many thousand miles in diameter, squeeze itself into a space of about 3,000 miles only. Can a camel ride on a mouse, or a whale rush down the throat of a herring?

    What is the diameter of the sun?

    32 miles. If the navigator neglects to apply the sun's semi-diameter to his observation at sea, he is 16 nautical miles (nearly) in calculating the position his ship is in. A minute of arc on the sextant represents a nautical mile, and if the semi-diameter is 16 miles, the diameter is of course 32 miles. And as measured by the sextant, the sun's diameter is 32 minutes of arc, that is 32 nautical miles in diameter. If ever dispoof is attempted, it will be a literary curiosity, well worth framing.

    Another common lie. The sun is millions of miles away.

    It isn't. It is somewhere between 3000 and 500 miles overhead. Pastor Billy-Reuben provides his mathematical proof for it.

    To start off with, the sun is hot enough to glow yellow, so we can use Wein's Displacement Law to determine the temperature.

    Wein's Displacement Law:
    Peak Wavelength in meters = displacement constant / temperature in Kelvin

    Yellow light has a wavelength between 570nm and 580nm, so we'll solve for 575nm. Since we are working with nanometers rather than meters, we'll simplify the math by multiplying the displacement constant by 10^9.

    575 = 2897768.5/T
    575 * T = 2897768.5
    T = 2897768.5/575
    T = 5039.6° K (8611.6° F)

    So the sun is about 5039.6° Kelvin.

    Now, the average temperature of the earth is 59° F, or about 288° K. The mean temperature gradient of the troposphere is 6° K/km, so let's solve for the distance.

    d = (5039.6 - 288)/6
    d = 791.9 km (491.1 miles)

    There you have it. The sun is roughly 491.1 miles overhead. Depending on the exact shade of yellow (whether it's closer to 570nm or 580nm), this figure could be off by as much as 5 miles. However, I don't have a spectrometer handy, and I'm willing to live with an uncertainty of ±5 miles. It's not like I'm planning to visit anytime soon -- my shoes would melt.

    Knowing these two things, it is easy to show how shadows are created. The earth is huge is proportion to the sun, moon and stars. As they travel across our sky, they create shadows.

    5. Seeing further from higher. This is another poorly researched "proof". You can see further from higher because there are fewer obstacles in your way. Much like a 6'2" man can see further away than a 5'7" midget. It has nothing to do with the supposed curvature of anything.

    6. Ride in a plane. This is the biggest proof of all against the mainstream scientist point of view. If you ride in a plane, you'll know the earth is flat. Just look at the view below you. There's nothing but flat land all around. There is no curvature.


    Notice the way the mountains in the background loom even larger in relation to the ground below. Major proof there.

    7. Look at other planets. From your own article.

    The Earth is different from other planets, that much is true. After all, we have life, and we haven’t found any other planets with life (yet).
    I couldn't have said it any better myself. God has a special plan for each and every one of us and He loves all of us so much. He created Earth as the center of the universe and pretty much the only thing He cares about, since there is no other life out there.

    8. Existence of timezones. Please see number four. Once you understand that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter and not that far away, you understand that "timezones" are just the sun moving across the sky.

    9. The center of Gravity. Gravity is more scientifical lies. We know Intelligent Pulling to be the reason things stay in place and fall the way they do.

    Gravity is just a THEORY

    I love how "scientists" and atheists have NO idea what gravity is or how it works.

    Gravity destroys your morals!

    Knowing that Christians don't believe in gravity, why are you going to put some mumbo-jumbo about it in there? I suppose you think you came from a monkey too, filthy banana peeler!

    10. Images From Space. All part of the vast left wing conspiracy to suppress the truth. Much like 9-11, the moon landings, the teaching of evolution in schools. It's all part of the Jewish, NWO, doctors giving vaccines, Illuminati, Satanists, Communists and NASA working together to pull the wool over your eyes.

    Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!
    And so many other lies the government feeds you every day. Don't be a sheep! Wake up, people and teach the controversy!
    Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.


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    Re: A creationist's rebuttal to Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat.

    Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
    4. Shadows and sticks. We have gone over this before. The sun is not as large as the atheists say. In fact, the sun is only 32 miles in diameter.

    The sun is always somewhere between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, a distance admitted to be less than 3,000 miles; how then can the sun if it be so many thousand miles in diameter, squeeze itself into a space of about 3,000 miles only. Can a camel ride on a mouse, or a whale rush down the throat of a herring?
    I remember reading that post too, and had a look at the link. Those sticks were pretty dopey weren't they! There was another link where I thought I'd see the resust of wotsizname's calculations, but no.

    He received word [ HEARSAY EVIDENCE -ed.] that on that summer solstice day the sun is reflected perfectly in a deep well in Syene. But at the same time and same day, in Alexandria, the sun wasn’t reflected perfectly in the same type of well. Why?
    It is so obvious, because the well was in a different place. Or because the sun is in a different place. Or because it wasn't the same time
    >> like exactly how would they know it was the same time anyway??????



    Take your pick, or take all 3 — I suppose I ought to do a little diagram:


    How could the sun possibly shine straight down 2 wells at the same time? unless there were 2 suns

    No wonder the ancient Greeks went down the gurgler with that sort of "reasoning" ! ! !

    ISAIAH 1
    18
    Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
    19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
    20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
    KJV

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      Re: A creationist's rebuttal to Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat.

      Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
      I remember reading that post too, and had a look at the link. Those sticks were pretty dopey weren't they!
      We had to do that experiment in a so-called science lesson at my Godless British school and the teacher calculated that we were something like 3000 miles south of the Equator. I don't think that's where Britain is. Maybe we had the sticks upside down?
      2 Timothy 3:16

      All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


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        Re: A creationist's rebuttal to Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat.

        Originally posted by Attila's Wife View Post
        We had to do that experiment in a so-called science lesson at my Godless British school and the teacher calculated that we were something like 3000 miles south of the Equator..Maybe we had the sticks upside down?
        I have heard that they will use different length sticks to get the "correct" result. Perhaps your teacher had them the wrong way around? There is a similar problem with lowering plumblines into mineshafts. The "curvature" of the earth comes out as concave

        Yes, government schools have really gone downhill since you elected the communists and they outlawed whipping (although I understand it's generally available at the public schools?)

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          Re: A creationist's rebuttal to Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat.

          Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
          Yes, government schools have really gone downhill since you elected the communists and they outlawed whipping (although I understand it's generally available at the public schools?)
          Yes, that's why we sent our boys there. Unfortunately they also have something called fagging. We had to whup that out of them during the holidays.

          The "curvature" of the earth comes out as concave
          Thinking about it logically, if there WAS any "curvature" then it would have to be concave, to keep the sea in.

          Brother Levi's excellent explanations are really helping me to clarify my scientific thinking.

          YiC
          AW
          2 Timothy 3:16

          All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


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            Re: A creationist's rebuttal to "Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat."

            If the Earth were round, all our shoes would be curved, to stick to it.

            But if you go into any shoe store, you can see shoes are NOT made like that.

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              Re: A creationist's rebuttal to "Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat."

              Originally posted by Mistress Cookie View Post
              If the Earth were round, all our shoes would be curved, to stick to it.

              But if you go into any shoe store, you can see shoes are NOT made like that.
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              I have been saying this for years.
              2 Kings 18:27 (1611 King James Bible)
              But Rabshakeh sayd vnto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speake these wordes? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eate their owne doung, and drinke their owne pisse with you?

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                Re: A creationist's rebuttal to "Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat."

                The Earth is in fact flat. To say otherwise is a gross violation of mass conservation which these "scientists" seem to like so much!

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