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  • #16
    Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

    I can't help but wonder at the motivation of people who would deny that life begins at conception. What are their real intentions here? To what depths are they willing to stoop to satiate their addiction to murdering the unborn?

    It's very telling whenever someone even begins to question the ensoulment of precious children upon conception. If you ask me, to even put this out for discussion should get people locked up for premeditated murder.
    II Thessalonians 1:7-9
    And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
    The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony

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    • #17
      Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

      In this vein of thinking, everytime you exfoliate you are killing millions of cells that have the potential to spawn life!
      Ezekiel 4:15 : I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

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      • #18
        Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

        Originally posted by ChurchMadeMeAthiest View Post
        In this vein of thinking, everytime you exfoliate you are killing millions of cells that have the potential to spawn life!
        Nice try: by definition, exfoliation is removing DEAD skin cells.

        YiC,

        Zech
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        • #19
          Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

          Originally posted by Zechariah Smyth View Post
          Nice try: by definition, exfoliation is removing DEAD skin cells.

          YiC,

          Zech
          True, but I'm sure one or two live ones are innocently swept up in the process.
          Ezekiel 4:15 : I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

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          • #20
            Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

            Originally posted by ChurchMadeMeAthiest View Post
            True, but I'm sure one or two live ones are innocently swept up in the process.
            Only if by "one or two live ones" meant "one egg and one sperm and the Divine Hand of God to infuse with a Soul."

            Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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            • #21
              Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

              Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
              Only if by "one or two live ones" meant "one egg and one sperm and the Divine Hand of God to infuse with a Soul."

              With stem cells, you can change any type of cell into a replicating version of another.

              They have successfully turned skin cells into sperm and ovum.
              Ezekiel 4:15 : I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

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              • #22
                Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                Originally posted by ChurchMadeMeAthiest View Post
                With stem cells, you can change any type of cell into a replicating version of another.

                They have successfully turned skin cells into sperm and ovum.
                Are you telling us you sluff off stem cells when you exfoliate?

                Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                • #23
                  Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                  Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                  Are you telling us you sluff off stem cells when you exfoliate?

                  Adults stem cells are found in all tissues of the body, so yes.
                  Ezekiel 4:15 : I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                    Originally posted by ChurchMadeMeAthiest View Post
                    Adults stem cells are found in all tissues of the body, so yes.
                    Source please?

                    Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                      Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                      Source please?

                      For a laymans explanation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

                      Exerpt : "There are two broad types of stem cells: embryonic stem cells, which are isolated from the inner cell mass of blastocysts, and adult stem cells, which are found in various tissues."

                      Additionally, contrary to posts above, babies don't have to be murdered to obtain stem cells. They can be sourced from umbilical cord blood.
                      Ezekiel 4:15 : I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                        Originally posted by ChurchMadeMeAthiest View Post
                        For a laymans explanation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

                        Exerpt : "There are two broad types of stem cells: embryonic stem cells, which are isolated from the inner cell mass of blastocysts, and adult stem cells, which are found in various tissues."
                        According to your link, "Using genetic reprogramming with protein transcription factors, pluripotent stem cells equivalent to embryonic stem cells have been derived from human adult skin tissue." This derision is not analogous to the fact that life begins at conception. Skin cells were created to cover the body, not study new ways to leave out of the conception process altogether.

                        Originally posted by ChurchMadeMeAthiest View Post
                        Additionally, contrary to posts above, babies don't have to be murdered to obtain stem cells. They can be sourced from umbilical cord blood.
                        But that's not been found to be very helpful. Whether those cells are difficult to isolate, or they don't offend enough, secular scientists continue to harvest living unborn babies for the stem cells we're talking about.
                        Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                          Originally posted by ChurchMadeMeAthiest View Post
                          For a laymans explanation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell
                          Do you believe everything you read on Wikipedia? It's not the most reliable source in the world, you know.

                          Even people like you can edit it, as you can see from this revision of the page here.

                          All the best, dear,
                          YiC
                          AW
                          2 Timothy 3:16

                          All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


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                          • #28
                            Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                            Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                            According to your link, "Using genetic reprogramming with protein transcription factors, pluripotent stem cells equivalent to embryonic stem cells have been derived from human adult skin tissue." This derision is not analogous to the fact that life begins at conception. Skin cells were created to cover the body, not study new ways to leave out of the conception process altogether.

                            But that's not been found to be very helpful. Whether those cells are difficult to isolate, or they don't offend enough, secular scientists continue to harvest living unborn babies for the stem cells we're talking about.
                            I think you may be misinterpreting the motivation for stem cell research? It's not about discounting or removing God? If anything, according to your belief, it is understanding a process which God created in the first place.

                            Just to understand your objections, is the harvesting of embryonic stem cells from stillborn foetuses against your belief also?

                            Are you OK with the study of adult stem cells where the patient is not harmed in any way?
                            Ezekiel 4:15 : I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                              Originally posted by ChurchMadeMeAthiest View Post
                              I think you may be misinterpreting the motivation for stem cell research? It's not about discounting or removing God? If anything, according to your belief, it is understanding a process which God created in the first place.
                              You're mistaken. It's about replacing . It's about rationalizing a life where is replaced with Darwin, and morals are replaced with sin and debauchery. It's the oldest story in the Book - it's the sin of Eve's Pride, and why we suffer today, and why we need a Savior more than ever before!
                              Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Stop Arguing: Stem Cells are Babies.

                                What does Darwin have to do with this?
                                Ezekiel 4:15 : I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

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