[hamashiachagape]

Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us.

How many times are you going to change your story, first it was not the joos it was the Romans then it was both now its a different story. Face it you Joos killed Jesus end of story!

Either/or fallacy. I've mentioned that both were responsible.

@ Pastor Ezekiel - I said privilege did I not? Its more of a totalitarianistic system than it is a right of any kind to be here in the first place.

@Billy Bob - in case you don't realize this, tho I'm pretty sure you do,
Herod the Great who was the king of Israel who tried to kill Jesus as a baby died. in 4 B.C. according to Josephus. Luke 23 talks about Herod Antipas, the son of Herod the Great, who was the 1st century ruler of Galilee and Perea.

[hamashiachagape]

Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA

That is correct. We are on the same page here, except dietary laws and the keeping of Saturday (oops I shouldn't use that word as it has pagan roots!) as the Sabbath are specifically abolished.

Where? Please don't use the tired examples of Mark 7, the Phariseeic handwashing ceremony that was condemned by Yeshua or Acts 10:9-29 which talks about Peter's vision of the unclean animals. That was only ever directed to going out to save the Gentiles, not eating pork.

Yes, our calendar is lunar anyways. And we number our days 1,2,3,4,5,6,7. We don't name them after Pagan gods.

Then why does the Bible say that we will be judged by our deeds?

Romans 2:5-6
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:


Matthew 16:27
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Because we will. The deeds we must follow are according to the Torah.

[James Dewitt]

Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us.

Either/or fallacy. I've mentioned that both were responsible.

Face it the Joos ratted out Jesus, they bribed Judas with some cold hard cash( some thing the Joos are still good at)
They set up Jesus with the kiss of death( Something the Dagos in Rome still do Cathliks and the mafia are one in the same). The Joos set up some smoke and mirror fake trial. The head Roman finds Jesus not guilty, but no the Joos do not want to hear that, they demand that He die.
Pontius Pilate washes his hands of the whole thing and does what the Rabbi's ask. Now you claim it wasn't the Joos who killed Jesus it was the Romans. YOU BET

[hamashiachagape]

Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us.

Face it the Joos ratted out Jesus, they bribed Judas with some cold hard cash( some thing the Joos are still good at)
They set up Jesus with the kiss of death( Something the Dagos in Rome still do Cathliks and the mafia are one in the same). The Joos set up some smoke and mirror genuine trial. The head Roman finds Jesus not guilty, but no the Joos do not want to hear that, they demand that He die.
Pontius Pilate washes his hands of the whole thing and does what the Rabbi's ask. Now you claim it wasn't the Joos who killed Jesus it was the Romans. YOU BET

The Levites and rulers of the synagogue (not the Messianics) turned him in, so they were responsible for killing Yeshua. The Romans irresponsibly killed an innocent man. Both Jews and Romans were at fault! A waffle on the part of Pontius Pilate leaves the Romans no less at fault.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us.

The Levites and rulers of the synagogue (not the Messianics) turned him in, so they were responsible for killing Yeshua. The Romans irresponsibly killed an innocent man. Both Jews and Romans were at fault! A waffle on the part of Pontius Pilate leaves the Romans no less at fault.

Are you sill here running your thick lips? I thought you people had to rest on Saturdays?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us.

Besides this, animal sacrifices were refused by God after Yeshua's resurrection and the temple was destroyed 40 years after Yeshua's ministry had ended on Earth. If you read Leviticus 17, it states that the only place that sacrifices can be made was in the temple, or you are guilty of bloodshed. According to the true way of following Orthodox Judaism today without a Savior, they are essentially in trouble because they have no means to be forgiven of sin. With Yeshua we are permanently set free from our sins as we long as we repent and follow him to the best of our abilities with an earnest and true heart.

It doesn't say temple in Leviticus 17, it says tabernacle:

Leviticus 17:4 And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:

Nothing stops you Jews from raising a tent and calling it at tabernacle. That's just an excuse because you're lazy.

ha, gotcha, no thanks . I was just wondering why you chose 180 seconds.

Because if your posts aren't worth waiting 180 seconds for, then they shouldn't have been posted in the first place.

The blood of Yeshua is what saved us from sin.

As True Christians™ we are saved by the sweet blood of Jesus, but for you Jews the blood has become a terrible curse:

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us.

I'm not proving that Jews were not responsible. I'm stating that there would have been somewhat of an interest (maybe not from Pontius Pilate) from the Romans to crucify him for treason.

Billy Bob Black is right. Try reading Josephus. The Jews were constantly revolting (NPI) because they didn't want the Roman insignia in their temple. They didn't even want "Pagan" coinage stamped with "graven images" to enter their temple. That's why the money changers were sitting in the temple court to exchange the unclean Gentile coins with clean, kosher, Tyrian, shiny shekels.

The Romans must have loved Jesus for rebuking the money changers, and for saying "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's" or (through his mouthpiece St. Paul) "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God").

Why do you think Pilate went to such great lengths arguing with the bloodthirsty Jews?

Herod? Wow....amazing. You're just being silly now because you're out of arguments right? Herod was the one who was king when Jesus was born and tried to kill the 1 year old babies. Actually thats how we have determined around what year Jesus was born thanks to another Messianic Jew, Josephus. He was born in roughly 6 to 8 B.C.

The bloodthirsty Jews? You recall this was in Rome right?

Groan:

1. Herod Antipas was the son of Herod the Great.
2. How could Christ have been born 6 to 8 years Before Christ?
3. The crucifixion took place in Jerusalem.