[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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But when it represents Paganism, Witchcraft, and especially my Gods as being anything other than what they really are...

Demons from Satan.

I figured you needed help filling in the part you keep trying to hide.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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How nice of you!
You read a couple of books! You must be an expert then! Sorry I questioned o brillant one!

What WW said is quite right, missy. Once upon a time I used to be wiccan. Fortunately, I grew out of it. A lot of people do. Again, like WW said, wicca is a good starting point for those who are new to paganism, but it isn't the place to stay. There just isn't enough room to breathe, or grow. Each to their own, but wicca just wasn't/isn't for me. I tend to find the views way too narrow for my liking. Not to mention the people who think wicca to be thousands of years old? Don't even get me started on that. I have antique jewelry which is older than wicca!

I have never called another pagan evil becasue of what they practise. To each their own.

Perhaps you don't and I commend you for that, however, that isn't what I experienced from every wiccan I've encountered.

No I do not confuse the two things. I know they are not the same at all or even similar.

Well, that's a start.

May I be so bold as to ask you what you pratise that has you on such a high horse?

Me? I guess you could call me an eclectic pagan of sorts. One who does understand my beliefs/practices, and their origins. Due to privacy and being on an online forum I won't go into great detail but the point is, I do know what I'm talking about. I have nothing against wiccans, unless they try to force on me that the wiccan way is ancient etc etc. If I hear/see one more wiccan saying that wicca is 3000 years old, I swear, I will throw something at the screen!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Witch fight!!

[WickedWitch]

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How nice of you!
You read a couple of books! You must be an expert then! Sorry I questioned o brillant one!
I have never called another pagan evil becasue of what they practise. To each their own.
No I do not confuse the two things. I know they are not the same at all or even similar.
May I be so bold as to ask you what you pratise that has you on such a high horse?

Hey, hey, hey, don't talk to her like that. She didn't direct her comments to you, she was just expressing her thoughts on Wicca in general. So don't direct your nasty attitude at her. Besides, I didn't think Wiccans were allowed to be angry - too much negative energy clouding their aura and all that other jazz. First off, Rachel and I didn't read just a few books, let's get that straight, we started our exploration into Pagansim as Wiccans. It's embarrassing, but it's true. So having read more than a few books (I can't even find a number for all the books I've read on the subject, there've been so many over the years), and having practiced Wicca for a while, we know it inside and out. Probably more than most of the practicing Wiccans out there. Sh!t, the Landoverites probably know more about Wicca that Wiccans do. Now, I find Wicca to be an all right place for one to start when exploring other religions, but after a steady diet of cotton candy, one craves something more substantial. My Wiccanismly-ish-ness didn't last long, thanks be to the Gods, I eventually came out of it and moved onto something more spiritually fulfilling.

Now, you and others out there who share your beliefs don't like to face it, but the fact is that Wicca is a fluffly, watered down, feel-good, new-age craze. One which I'm hoping will pass soon. It seems to be holding on thanks to all the pre-teens, teens, mid-life crisis adults, hippies and new-agers who had too much LSD back in the 60's and 70's, and the people who could probably be happy as real Pagans if only they weren't too scared to leave their security blanket and weren't clinging to the idea that life is sunshine and rainbows for dear life. Once those people grow up and/or come back to reality, they'll find something more real.

Now, I've met some lovely Wiccans in my time, and they're nice people, but I can't help but notice how far they've buried their heads in the sand. Why they need something so fluffy and far from reality is beyond me. Anyway, my biggest beef with Wicca is mostly that it spreads a lot of misconceptions about Paganism and Witchcraft. And I hate what it's done to those religions Gardner used to create it. If the followers of the ancient religions on which Wicca is based could see how much its followers have watered-down their beliefs and practices, they would scream. The Druids were not fluffy! The Ancient Greeks and Romans were not fluffy! The Ancient Egyptians were not fluffy! Nor were their Gods! If people want to create a world where holding hands in a Circle and chanting at crystals and having their positive energy permeate the Universe makes everything better, completely blocking out the harshness of reality in their little fantasy-world, that is fine with me. Whatever. To each their own. Enjoy the fluff. But when it represents Paganism, Witchcraft, and especially my Gods as being anything other than what they really are... Then there's a problem. There's a very big problem. So that's my beef with Wicca, and I think it's pretty reasonable.

Don't try to tell us that we don't know anything about Wicca, because we do.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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How nice of you!
You read a couple of books! You must be an expert then! Sorry I questioned o brillant one!
I have never called another pagan evil becasue of what they practise. To each their own.
No I do not confuse the two things. I know they are not the same at all or even similar.
May I be so bold as to ask you what you pratise that has you on such a high horse?

Witch fight!!!

[Butterfly]

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I'm sorry, but with what you just said, you just revealed to all observers an IQ which does not exceed your shoe size.

I happen to know a lot about wicca and wiccans, and so does WW. We have both observed over time, and from reading the books written by wiccans themselves, that they do know not acknowledge a lot. For instance, a lot of wiccans will call other occultists 'evil' simply because they follow practices which are older, more traditional, and less fluffy than wicca.

Are you one of the types who confuses witchcraft and paganism with wicca? Because they are NOT the same, nor are they alike.

Wicca is simply a religion which embraces the hippy version of jesus in a dress. Don't get started with either WW or I on the facts of wicca, child, because you'll find we'll grind you into the ground, after raking you over the coals.

Know what you're talking about before spouting off.

How nice of you!
You read a couple of books! You must be an expert then! Sorry I questioned o brillant one!
I have never called another pagan evil becasue of what they practise. To each their own.
No I do not confuse the two things. I know they are not the same at all or even similar.
May I be so bold as to ask you what you pratise that has you on such a high horse?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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Well, if we did take a room, you do know we wouldn't take any pictures, so you can forget that idea right now.

Besides, we don't pick on you and your bear, so you could be a little nicer!

*Ahem* Anyway, back to topic - wicca=fluffy and not demonic. Yeah.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I love you, Rachael!

Awww, I love you too!

Why don't you two perverts go get a room and leave us to our Jesus worship. I cannot imagine two more unwelcome whoremongers than you two!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Well done Miss Rachel these people need to be exposed to the truth and yet, sadly, you can show all the evidence you want and some people just will not believe it!

[Rachel_Pierce]

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Wicca is simply a religion which embraces the hippy version of jesus in a dress.

Hippy Jesus? That's utter garbage, and you know it, witch!

Wiccans force young kids to eat their own excrement, sacrifice animals to Satan, run around throwing their period blood over children, indulge in sexual perversions with a goat, eat the intestines of their own abortions (Many wiccans get themselves pregnant every month, just so they can sacrifice the fetus in secret occult ceremonies held in Wiccan run abortion clinics), hack their own first-borns to piecies, and put all their subsequent new-born babies inside the belly of a cow! These people are lunatics!

THIS is just one example of what Wicca, Satanism, and Paganism is ALL about -

A GOD BORN FROM THE BUTTOCKS OF A COW

Every season of the flood I saw god born from the buttocks of a cow..." (Chapter 6, page 47)

Picture #29 was one of the most bizarre disclosures of the many we've heard involving Satanism and ritualistic abuse. This disclosure came from one of the alter personalities of a survivor. When asked where she was at the time of this ritual, she said, " I was watching from up on top of the light. I'm little enough to sit up there, you know." She recalled this ritual as a birthing ceremony whereby a full-term infant was taken from the mother by cutting open the belly. Then the newborn was placed inside the stomach of a drugged cow. After sewing the child inside and performing the required incantations the infant is removed, symbolizing being born into the family of Satan. Actual performance of these appalling rituals are beyond the comprehension of most modern minds, yet children from all over America are giving corroborative testimony to these ungodly crimes.

[WickedWitch]

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We'll give those fluffy-bunnies what for!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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Awww, I love you too!

[WickedWitch]

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I love you, Rachael!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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You truly are no better then these assholes. Wiccans embrace all nature. Good, evil; fluff, death; whatever. Any one who says they are Wiccan and then says they are only good is a bullshit lier but that dosen't mean they all are.
Don't generalize or you are no better then they are.

I'm sorry, but with what you just said, you just revealed to all observers an IQ which does not exceed your shoe size.

I happen to know a lot about wicca and wiccans, and so does WW. We have both observed over time, and from reading the books written by wiccans themselves, that they do know not acknowledge a lot. For instance, a lot of wiccans will call other occultists 'evil' simply because they follow practices which are older, more traditional, and less fluffy than wicca.

Are you one of the types who confuses witchcraft and paganism with wicca? Because they are NOT the same, nor are they alike.

Wicca is simply a religion which embraces the hippy version of jesus in a dress. Don't get started with either WW or I on the facts of wicca, child, because you'll find we'll grind you into the ground, after raking you over the coals.

Know what you're talking about before spouting off.

[Butterfly]

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I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Wiccans "demonic liars" (mostly because to be associated with Wiccans is a huge insult to the Deamons), but they certainly do live with their heads buried in the sand. They seem to have a very difficult time grasping the fact that life is not all sunshine and rainbows. They live in this place where it's all fluffy-bunny, love-and-light, airy-fairy crap. Life is not like that. Life is not friendly, life is not fluff. Wiccans are deeply in denial, in my opinion. So I guess they do lie, to themselves anyway. *Shrugs*

You truly are no better then these assholes. Wiccans embrace all nature. Good, evil; fluff, death; whatever. Any one who says they are Wiccan and then says they are only good is a bullshit lier but that dosen't mean they all are.
Don't generalize or you are no better then they are.