[Deluded 7th Gay Andwitless]

Re: Paganism

ooh please that stuff has nothing to do with real pagansim and wicca.

this is just some chick that wants attention and made up some bullshit story to be popular.

i've been a wiccan since 9th grade and i never saw anything like she described. we are a religion of peace goddamnit!

[Nobar King]

Re: Paganism

ooh please that stuff has nothing to do with real pagansim and wicca.

this is just some chick that wants attention and made up some bullshit story to be popular.

i've been a wiccan since 9th grade and i never saw anything like she described. we are a religion of peace goddamnit!

Ninth grade, huh/? Did you go to a wiccan priest class at your local highschool?

[Callisto]

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Thanks for your opinions, but all you can do is speculate and have no proof that your ideas are correct! Who's story is the biggest fairy tale yours or Christianity? Christianity has been around 2000 years and yours? I wonder how many would follow your bright ideas and for how long, until you die maybe?

Granted atheism as we know it hasn't been around as long as Christianity. That didn't really start taking hold until our ancestors started discovering that thunder and lightning weren't being caused by angry gods and that diseases were caused by tiny lifeforms instead of demon infestations.
However, if you wish to continue to literally believe in the myths of some Bronze Age goat herders, that's certainly your choice. But again I'd like to state how laughable you make yourself look when you spread obvious tall tales like the alleged ex-witch's as "truth".

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Paganism

Thanks for your opinions, but all you can do is speculate and have no proof that your ideas are correct! Who's story is the biggest fairy tale yours or Christianity? Christianity has been around 2000 years and yours? I wonder how many would follow your bright ideas and for how long, until you die maybe?

He who laughs last, laughs best.

Actually, Jesus has been around for all eternity (John 1:1), and Genesis 1:26 alludes to the Trinity. Otherwise, the hindaloos could turn your reasoning back on you and say that their worship of eight-armed obese elephant demons must be true because of the antiquity of the Book of Eleanor Rigby, or whatever it's called.

ooh please that stuff has nothing to do with real pagansim and wicca.

this is just some chick that wants attention and made up some (rude term deleted) story to be popular.

i've been a wiccan since 9th grade and i never saw anything like she described. we are a religion of peace goddamnit!

The mooselimbs claim to be a religion of peace, too. By the way, stop swearing, or you can expect infraction points or worse.

[Hawk]

Re: Paganism

Granted atheism as we know it hasn't been around as long as Christianity. That didn't really start taking hold until our ancestors started discovering that thunder and lightning weren't being caused by angry gods and that diseases were caused by tiny lifeforms instead of demon infestations.
However, if you wish to continue to literally believe in the myths of some Bronze Age goat herders, that's certainly your choice. But again I'd like to state how laughable you make yourself look when you spread obvious tall tales like the alleged ex-witch's as "truth".

Hi, I cannot claim that her testimony is the truth or not, just like everything you say could also be very far from the truth.
Testimonies in general is the truth, because this person have no reason to lie or hide something and are not getting paid to color it in a bit. Why would anyone attach themselves to such hideous acts anyway! Would you not rather hide it in the closet than to go and tell the world look what hideous acts I did and I am sorry, please do not believe all the lies like I did!

It obviously makes your belief look bad and you would get upset, I understand your response! You might even tell the truth and you have not gone into the religion so deeply yet, that could also be a reason you cannot identify with her.

There are many more of these kind of testimonies, hers is not the only one.
Jesus Christ came just over 2000 years ago, that is why I said Christianity is that old, God is the beginning of time and everything I know.

Now that you understand that thunder is not from the Gods, does that mean there are no such thing as a God? I heard there were an atheist group of scientists who spent 800mil. dollars on a project to try and explain that the universe got into existence without the need of Divine intervention, well they said it was impossible for every little particle to be at the right place at the right time to form planets, stars and the rest of the universe without a very very powerful Divine being. The Creator!

All the best,

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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The simple truth is, Christians never lie, and unsaved scum always do. God sends them delusions to make sure they remain wrong and confused. This verse explains how witches, goths, atheists and so on can remain so ignorant of God's love.

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.--2 Th.2:11-12

Shout GLORY!!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Glory!

[Hawk]

Re: Paganism

ooh please that stuff has nothing to do with real pagansim and wicca.

this is just some chick that wants attention and made up some bullshit story to be popular.

i've been a wiccan since 9th grade and i never saw anything like she described. we are a religion of peace goddamnit!

Off course you will say that!

Tell us then what you do when you are a wiccan priest and what does that status mean? How many members do you have and do you have a book of shadows?
What happens when you die?
Who is your god and do they have the power to heal people without without harming them later or their family?
Do they answer your prayers, care and love you?
What happens if you disobey some of the laws or disrespect them?
Where does this god come from?
We do not know how you keep peace using wicca? Please explain?

Thx

[Hawk]

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Followers of the Lord Jesus Christ

Those who are loved and chosen by God from
eternity (2 Th 2:13)
Those who put their faith in the Truth (2 Th
2:13)
Those who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit (2
Th 2:13)

Followers of the "man of lawlessness"

Those who are deceived by Satan (2 Th 2:9),
so that wickedness seems good to them (2 Th
2:12)
Those who [by their own choice] perish (2 Th
2:10)
Those who do not receive the love of the truth
(2 Th 2:10), but put their faith in falsehood (2
Th 2:11-12)

[Deluded 7th Gay Andwitless]

Re: Paganism

The mooselimbs claim to be a religion of peace, too. By the way, stop swearing, or you can expect infraction points or worse.

sheesh sorry. so it's okay to kill and torture people who disagree with u but it's wrong to curse????

Off course you will say that!

Tell us then what you do when you are a wiccan priest and what does that status mean? How many members do you have and do you have a book of shadows?
What happens when you die?
Who is your god and do they have the power to heal people without without harming them later or their family?
Do they answer your prayers, care and love you?
What happens if you disobey some of the laws or disrespect them?
Where does this god come from?
We do not know how you keep peace using wicca? Please explain?

Thx

1. a wicca priest is the male leader of a coven of wiccans. this means i am a leader in our rituals and celebrations and i serve alongside (NOT ABOVE OR BELOW. WICCA BELIVES IN EQUALITY OF THE SEXES) the priestess who i happen to love very much and she loves me. She is the reason i joined this beauitful religion and she has brought me much happiness so don't even think about badmouthing her!!!

2.We have nine members including me and my priestess/girlfriend. yes we keep a book of shadows but it's not an evil thing despite it's name!!

3. everybody has their own personal beliefe but most believe that we go to a beautiful place called the Summer Land.

4. we worship the God and Goddess. They both represent perfect opposites and love and fertility. they are like our parents and we are pleased to serve them. of course they can heal, but they also give us the power to heal through nature.

5. why would they not love us??? they certainly don't threaten us with fire and damnation!

6.wicca is governed by a single principal which i know you've heard: And it harm none do what ye will. You cannot be wiccan and use the power of nature and the Lord and Lady for evil. we also believe that what we do comes back to us three times over. that is not just some silly superstition to get ppl to be good, it really happens!

7. we do not have a single god, we have a God and Goddess. you'll find that wicca is a lot less sexist than christianity. it does not matter where they came from what matters is that they love us and are here.

8. wicca is worship of nature and beauty. it is there to keep us happy and healthy and nature proves this over and over again. when you have the spirit of the Lord and Lady with you, you know it and you are peaceful within.

i hope this clears up some of your questions.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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sheesh sorry. so it's okay to kill and torture people who disagree with u but it's wrong to curse????

It's not who disagrees with us. It's who disagrees with GOD.

1. a wicca priest is the male leader of a coven of wiccans. this means i am a leader in our rituals and celebrations and i serve alongside (NOT ABOVE OR BELOW. WICCA BELIVES IN EQUALITY OF THE SEXES) the priestess who i happen to love very much and she loves me. She is the reason i joined this beauitful religion and she has brought me much happiness so don't even think about badmouthing her!!!

You aren't married, so she's a whore.

2.We have nine members including me and my priestess/girlfriend. yes we keep a book of shadows but it's not an evil thing despite it's name!!

Then why is it named that, you dunce?

3. everybody has their own personal beliefe but most believe that we go to a beautiful place called the Summer Land.

Yes, and plant apple trees and toss flower petals around. That isn't EXACTLY where you are headed, though.

4. we worship the God and Goddess. They both represent perfect opposites and love and fertility. they are like our parents and we are pleased to serve them. of course they can heal, but they also give us the power to heal through nature.

What are their names?

5. why would they not love us??? they certainly don't threaten us with fire and damnation!

Why WOULD they?

6.wicca is governed by a single principal which i know you've heard: And it harm none do what ye will. You cannot be wiccan and use the power of nature and the Lord and Lady for evil. we also believe that what we do comes back to us three times over. that is not just some silly superstition to get ppl to be good, it really happens!

Wicca is a bunch of hooey invented about fifty years ago by a teacher to get dumb girls to sleep with him.

7. we do not have a single god, we have a God and Goddess. you'll find that wicca is a lot less sexist than christianity. it does not matter where they came from what matters is that they love us and are here.

No, you only have one. You just don't know his name.

8. wicca is worship of nature and beauty. it is there to keep us happy and healthy and nature proves this over and over again. when you have the spirit of the Lord and Lady with you, you know it and you are peaceful within.

Wicca is a way to get stoned and have a cheap date.

i hope this clears up some of your questions.

I didn't have any questions. I know all about it.

[Hawk]

Re: Paganism

sheesh sorry. so it's okay to kill and torture people who disagree with u but it's wrong to curse????



1. a wicca priest is the male leader of a coven of wiccans. this means i am a leader in our rituals and celebrations and i serve alongside (NOT ABOVE OR BELOW. WICCA BELIVES IN EQUALITY OF THE SEXES) the priestess who i happen to love very much and she loves me. She is the reason i joined this beauitful religion and she has brought me much happiness so don't even think about badmouthing her!!!

2.We have nine members including me and my priestess/girlfriend. yes we keep a book of shadows but it's not an evil thing despite it's name!!

3. everybody has their own personal beliefe but most believe that we go to a beautiful place called the Summer Land.

4. we worship the God and Goddess. They both represent perfect opposites and love and fertility. they are like our parents and we are pleased to serve them. of course they can heal, but they also give us the power to heal through nature.

5. why would they not love us??? they certainly don't threaten us with fire and damnation!

6.wicca is governed by a single principal which i know you've heard: And it harm none do what ye will. You cannot be wiccan and use the power of nature and the Lord and Lady for evil. we also believe that what we do comes back to us three times over. that is not just some silly superstition to get ppl to be good, it really happens!

7. we do not have a single god, we have a God and Goddess. you'll find that wicca is a lot less sexist than christianity. it does not matter where they came from what matters is that they love us and are here.

8. wicca is worship of nature and beauty. it is there to keep us happy and healthy and nature proves this over and over again. when you have the spirit of the Lord and Lady with you, you know it and you are peaceful within.

i hope this clears up some of your questions.

Thank you,

It does seem very mystical(no proof whatsoever) and If I would like to worship a God I would like to have some idea who or what I worship! You are saying you do not know where your gods came from, is that not a bit shaky, How do you know it is not just a demon in disguise.

"harm none do what ye will" so what happens if you do harm people? and according to this principle there seem to be no guidance to become more like your god? Its all about yourself and doing whatever you want, just with one limitation, do not harm someone.... what kind of harm are you talking about, physical? It does not say serve your fellow man or love they neighbor, just that the world is all about you and what you can get out of it. Satanism has a very similar core principle as you, so I guess wiccan has more in common with satanism than you think. They say that many satanists started in the occult as being wiccans and wanted to search for more power!
Who created the universe?
So Summer Land is your belief, but you mentioned that wiccans in general have their own beliefs? This belief seems to be very wishy washy and no one really knows what is the truth, they all have different ideas, how can it be that there are so many views on what will happen when you die? This is exactly what the devil wants, confusion! Your deceived my friend, do you have any wiccan god that have the power over death? Have you or a wiccan god ever revived someone out of death like Jesus did with Lazarus?
Do you have a holy book you can use as a reference when you have doubts or need information.
What happens to people who do not believe or have faith in wicca when they die?
I read that you are made to believe that Yahweh is a ruthless God who stands for death and destruction, what about Yahoshua? (Just to inform you, that is a huge lie!) He is the Creator and created everything else in the universe, there is only one God and every other being will bow before Him, no matter what you believe!
They say Wicca originated out of the caveman era, is that what you believe? We did evolve a little and Jesus did come in this time to give us direction, so that we do not have to be so misguided and confused like the caveman? I am sure they were seeking the true God as well, but had no literature only nature. Witchcraft did not come from Yahweh, but from a different force that we as Christians believe to be the serpent or satan, otherwise Christians would also practice witchcraft, right!
I really appreciate your replies, even though I cannot comprehend your belief in something that could be anything even your imagination. The reason why you think the religion is beautiful is because of your partner, correct! If she was a satanist or a Christian, I would not be surprised if you would say that religion is beautiful too!

Thanks

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Good points, Hawk. Wickedans follow a belief system that has no evidence for its truthfulness and that is capable of thousands of differing interpretations. Of course, we True Christians™ will have none of that.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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That's some fine rebuking, Hawk.

It does seem very mystical(no proof whatsoever) and If I would like to worship a God I would like to have some idea who or what I worship! You are saying you do not know where your gods came from, is that not a bit shaky, How do you know it is not just a demon in disguise.

Amen! We know where our God came from because He told us in His book.

So Summer Land is your belief, but you mentioned that wiccans in general have their own beliefs? This belief seems to be very wishy washy and no one really knows what is the truth, they all have different ideas, how can it be that there are so many views on what will happen when you die? This is exactly what the devil wants, confusion!

Those wacky Wiccans are just making it up as they go along, and it's obvious to everyone except them, unlike us Christians who all believe the same thing.

Your deceived my friend, do you have any wiccan god that have the power over death? Have you or a wiccan god ever revived someone out of death like Jesus did with Lazarus?

I've never personally witnessed God reviving someone out of death, but the fact that it was written about in the Bible is proof that it happened.

What happens to people who do not believe or have faith in wicca when they die?

If I'm not mistaken, Wicca is a works-based religion. So according to them, people go to Summerland if they are a "good person" on balance, no matter what they believe. In the near-zero chance that they are right, we Christians would go to Summerland when we die if we did good works.

Christianity is different. It doesn't matter if you are a "good person" because there are no good people (Is 41:26, Ro 3:10). Our good works don't matter (Ro 3:27, Ep 2:8-9). What matters is belief, faith, and repentance, amen. "Good" people go straight to Hell if they don't believe.

Here is the Pascal's wager table showing the game theory payout for Christians with good works, Wiccans with good works, Christians without good works, and Wiccans without good works:

.	Chrisitanity is true	Wicca is true
Christian, good works	Heaven (+∞)	Summerland (+∞)
Christian, no good works	Heaven (+∞)	Reincarnated (0)
Wiccan, good works	Hell (-∞)	Summerland (+∞)
Wiccan, no good works	Hell (-∞)	Reincarnated (0)

As you can see, there is no advantage to believing in Wicca, and an unacceptable amount of risk. The best payout comes from being a Christian who does good works. The second best is being a Christian who doesn't do good works. You might be least in the Kingdom of Heaven (Mt 5:19), but that's better than being the best person in Hell.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Deluded 7th Gay Andwitless]

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Thank you,

It does seem very mystical(no proof whatsoever) and If I would like to worship a God I would like to have some idea who or what I worship! You are saying you do not know where your gods came from, is that not a bit shaky, How do you know it is not just a demon in disguise.

i have all the proof in the world that my Lord and Lady exist. everytime i see a newborn baby or experience sex with my girlfriend or boyfriend (yes i am bisexual, oooh scary huh?? well we have an open relationship) i can feel the spirit and love of my gods.

"harm none do what ye will" so what happens if you do harm people? and according to this principle there seem to be no guidance to become more like your god? Its all about yourself and doing whatever you want, just with one limitation, do not harm someone.... what kind of harm are you talking about, physical? It does not say serve your fellow man or love they neighbor, just that the world is all about you and what you can get out of it. Satanism has a very similar core principle as you, so I guess wiccan has more in common with satanism than you think. They say that many satanists started in the occult as being wiccans and wanted to search for more power!

if you harm people you can expect to have what you have served back to you three times over and that's more than enough motivation to be a good person. our religion is not just about us it's about nature. we worship nature and are a part of nature so how could we be motivated to do anything nature doesn't want us to do to do? i do not know anythng about satanism but i do have a friend who is a satanist and he is not a bad person he is very kind.

Who created the universe?

the horned god and his lady, duh.

So Summer Land is your belief, but you mentioned that wiccans in general have their own beliefs? This belief seems to be very wishy washy and no one really knows what is the truth, they all have different ideas, how can it be that there are so many views on what will happen when you die?

it is not just a belief it is the truth. i know in my heart that it is the truth because my Lord and Lady would not let me down. they take care of me and are my parents, way better parents than my earthly parents who were guess what CHRISTIANS.

This is exactly what the devil wants, confusion! Your deceived my friend, do you have any wiccan god that have the power over death? Have you or a wiccan god ever revived someone out of death like Jesus did with Lazarus?

i am not deceived, you are the one who is deceived into beliving lies about my religion that are not true!!

Do you have a holy book you can use as a reference when you have doubts or need information.
What happens to people who do not believe or have faith in wicca when they die?

well i do not need a holy book i was given a conscience to determine right from wrong as well as the public law. the souls of ppl who do not believe the way i believe will be sent into a newborn baby to try again at life and be alive again. they aren't damned like in ur religion.

I read that you are made to believe that Yahweh is a ruthless God who stands for death and destruction, what about Yahoshua? (Just to inform you, that is a huge lie!) He is the Creator and created everything else in the universe, there is only one God and every other being will bow before Him, no matter what you believe!

what would you call drowning millions of innocent life forms, killing the firstborn of everybody in egypt who didn't kill a lamb and spread its blood on a door post, sending bears to maul little children, and damning all unbelievers to hell???? none of that is in my religion!

I really appreciate your replies, even though I cannot comprehend your belief in something that could be anything even your imagination. The reason why you think the religion is beautiful is because of your partner, correct! If she was a satanist or a Christian, I would not be surprised if you would say that religion is beautiful too!
Thanks

the reason you cannot comprehend my beliefs is that you have not experienced the true Lord and Lady. why don't you give them a chance in your life?? yes my partner has a lot to do with me being wiccan but i was attracted to it because of the happiness i saw that it had given her and i knew in my heart that it was the right path after giving the Lord and Lady a chance. i will cast a spell for you to see the light, as well as one to keep you safe because i care about you.