[OnYourKnees]

Re: why??

First, I must wonder why you would pick a name "crazy" (which means insane or mentally ill) if you wanted to have a serious discussion about Islam.

However, I believe I can speak for all of us when I say I'm glad you brought it up.

Now, your post being quite long, I'm going to quote and respond to some segments which I believe represent the entire post.

i did not ask coze i am not sure what is the right way to Paradise and happeness no WAY
I know were and i pray that my God(ALLAH) will help me to reach it

I am Muslim
i want to talk about mine
i know that no one of you know what is Islam
i will but translate (this just to explain the Holy Quran)

<Section of Quran, describing how wonderful Paradise is>

if u want have more
http://www.islam-guide.com/

Your quote only describes Paradise. It doesn't say how one gets to Paradise. Please explain.

Jesus
Not the sun of God coze God never have sun and if he is his sun(which is not true) why he killed him coze other fault this is not good at all an it is not fear and this God cant save his sun is not able to be god I do not trust him

Jesus is the human manifestation of God. You see, God created humans, and created them unable to avoid sin. So, He set up a system by which they could sacrifice animals to atone for their sins. I believe your Allah uses a similar system.

Eventually, God got tired of animal sacrifices, and created a human version of Himself to serve as the ultimate sacrifice.

Basically, God made the humans who couldn't follow the Law, and the Law, and then came to earth to allow Himself to be sacrificed to Himself in order that He would not have to condemn people He created to Hell for being created unable to perfectly follow the Law He created.

Make sense?

Jesus

Is the brother to Mohammad (BOH) coze they are messengers from ALLAH to people

Please think clear
And how God have sun ….? Dose he have awife is she mary no way if he have sun that mean he married how god married and becom like us
Blease think clear

The Bible indicates that God made use of the Holy Spirit to impregnate Mary, that Jesus should be born of a human.

THE RELIGION OF ISLAM

<history of name of Islam> It was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man. In the final book of divine revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah states the following:

"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". (Soorah Al-Maa'idah 5:3)

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah (God) never will It be accepted of Him" (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:85)

"Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim." (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:67)

This does not make sense. Why would God wait until well after both Judaism and Christianity were established, to then declare something different? God is constant and unchanging. Therefore, He would not change the rules mid-course, as your religion suggests He did.

THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM

Since the total submission of one's will to Allah represents the essence of worship, the basic message of Allah's divine religion, Islam is the worship of Allah alone and the avoidance of worship directed to any person, place or thing other than Allah.Since everything other than Allah, the Creator of all things, is Allah's creation; it may be said that Islam, in essence calls man away from the worship of creation and invites him to worship only its Creator. ...

Similarly, prayers to Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, to Saint Christopher, or Saint Jude or even to Muhammad, are not answered by them but are answered by Allah. Jesus did nottell his followers to worship him but to worship Allah. As the Qur'aan states:

"And behold Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary Did you say to men, Worship me and my mother as gods besides Allah He will say-"Glory to you I could never say what I had no right (to say')" (Soorah Al-Maa'idah- 5:116)

Nor did he worship himself when he worshipped but rather he worshipped Allah. This basic principle is enshrined in the opening chapter of the Qur'aan, known as Soorah Al-Faatihah, verse 4:

"You alone do we worship and from you alone do we seek help".

Again, this does not make sense. These verses are clearly written to discredit Christianity, and were written well after Christianity was well-established.

Incidentally, only Catholics pray to "saints" or to Mary, the mother of Jesus. We are not Catholics.

Elsewhere, in the final book of revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah also said:

"And your Lord says:"Call on Me and I will answer your(prayer)."(Soorsh Mu'min 40:60)

Also, something written well after Christianity was established. It's very easy for Mohammed to put words into Jesus' mouth; people do it all the time!

it is worth noting that the basic message of Islam is that Allah and His creation are distinctly different entities. Neither is Allah His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him.
This might seem obvious, but, man's worship of creation instead of the Creator is to a large degree based on ignorance of this concept. It is the belief that the essence of Allah is everywhere in His creation or that His divine being is or was present in some aspects of His creation, which has provided justification for the worship of creation though such worship maybecalled the worship of Allah through his creation. How ever, the message of Islam as brought by the prophets of Allah is to worship only Allah and to avoid the worship of his creation either directly or indirectly. In the Our'aan Allah clearlystates:

"For We assuredly sent amongst every people a prophet,(with the command) worship meand avoid false gods " (Soorsh Al-Nahl 16:36)

When the idol worshipper is questioned as to why he or she bows down to idols created by men, the invariable reply is that they are not actually worshipping the stone image, but Allah who is present within it. They claim that the stone idol is only a focal point for Allah's essence and is not in itself Allah! One who has accepted the concept of the presence of God's being within His creation in any way will be obliged to accept this argument of idolatry. Whereas, one who understands the basic message of Islam and its implications would never concede to idolatry no matter how it is rationalized. Those who have claimed divinity for themselves down through the ages have often based their claims on the mistaken belief that Allah is present in man. They merely had to assert that although Allah according to their false beliefs, is in all of us, He is more present in them than in the rest of us. Hence, they claim, we should submit our will to them and worship them as they are either God in person or God concentrated within the person.

I believe we agree on this portion.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: why??

Crazy,

You've posted quite a bit there, but tell me about these parts...

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)

The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5).

"Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29)

"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5);

"murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).

"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).

"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).

"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).

"for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22)

You see, I keep hearing Muslims say Islam is a religion of peace, but I don't see it in the Koran. You even believe that it is not Muslims killing innocent people, but Allah himself...

"It is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself." (Koran 8:17; cp. Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190)

Allah "will punish them by our hands..." (Koran 9:14).

How are we, True Christians™ to believe a thing you say? Islam teaches that Christians are idol worshippers, and you think that we worship three gods...

"The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was no more than Allah's apostle and His Word which He cast to Mary; a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His apostles and do not say: 'Three.' ...Allah is but one God...." (Koran 4:171)

"...Then Allah will say: 'Jesus, the son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind: 'Worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah?'" (Koran 5:114)

Since we're pagans according to Islam, it is acceptable for you to break oaths...

It is acceptable to break treaties and obligations with pagans and make war on them whenever strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)

Don't get me started on mandetory Jihad, which the Koran and Surah An-Nisa teaches.

[crazy]

Re: why??

Why would english be god's language?

will my friend not english i am sure


i want to learn english but i am broud about may mother tounge(arabic)
and i want to say

i did not ask coze i am not sure what is the right way to Paradise and happeness no WAY
I know were and i pray that my God(ALLAH) will help me to reach it

I am Muslim
i want to talk about mine
i know that no one of you know what is Islam
i will but translate (this just to explain the Holy Quran)

(1) The Door to Eternal Paradise

God has said in the Quran:

And give good news (O Muhammad) to those who believe and do good deeds, that they will have gardens (Paradise) in which rivers flow.... (Quran, 2:25)
God has also said:
Race one with another for forgiveness from your Lord and for Paradise, whose width is as the width of the heavens and the earth, which has been prepared for those who believe in God and His messengers.... (Quran, 57:21)
The Prophet Muhammad told us that the lowest in rank among the dwellers of Paradise will have ten times the like of this world,1 and he or she will have whatever he or she desires and ten times like it.2 Also, the Prophet Muhammad said: {A space in Paradise equivalent to the size of a foot would be better than the world and what is in it.}3 He also said: {In Paradise there are things which no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human mind has thought of.}4 He also said: {The most miserable man in the world of those meant for Paradise will be dipped once in Paradise. Then he will be asked, “Son of Adam, did you ever face any misery? Did you ever experience any hardship?” So he will say, “No, by God, O Lord! I never faced any misery, and I never experienced any hardship.”}5
If you enter Paradise, you will live a very happy life without sickness, pain, sadness, or death; God will be pleased with you; and you will live there forever. God has said in the Quran:
But those who believe and do good deeds, We will admit them to gardens (Paradise) in which rivers flow, lasting in them forever.... (Quran, 4:57)

if u want have more

http://www.islam-guide.com/

Jesus
Not the sun of God coze God never have sun and if he is his sun(which is not true) why he killed him coze other fault this is not good at all an it is not fear and this God cant save his sun is not able to be god I do not trust him
Jesus
Is the brother to Mohammad (BOH) coze they are messengers from ALLAH to people

Please think clear
And how God have sun ….? Dose he have awife is she mary no way if he have sun that mean he married how god married and becom like us
Blease think clear

THE RELIGION OF ISLAM

The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the total submission to the will of Allah "God". The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim", The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah. Hence, it was not a new religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) I in Arabia in the seventh century, but only the true religion of Allah re-expressed in its final form.
Islam is the religion which was given to Adam, the first man and the first prophet of Allah, and it was the religion of all the prophets sent by Allah to mankind. The name of God's religion lslam was not decided upon by later generations of man. It was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man. In the final book of divine revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah states the following:

"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". (Soorah Al-Maa'idah 5:3)

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah (God) never will It be accepted of Him" (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:85)

"Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim." (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:67)

Nowhere in the Bible will you find Allah saying to Prophet Moses' people or their descendants that their religion is Judaism, nor to the followers of Christ that their religion is Christianity. In fact, Christ was not even his name, nor was it Jesus! The name "Christ" comes from the Greek word Christos which means the annointed. That is, Christ is a Greek translation of the Hebrew title "Messiah". The name "Jesus" on the other hand, is a latinized version of the Hebrew name Esau.
For simplicity's sake, I will however continue to refer to Prophet Esau (PBUH) as Jesus. As for his religion, it was what he called his followers to. Like the prophets before him, he called the people to surrender their will to the will of Allah; (which is Islam) and he warned them to stay away from the false gods of human imagination.
According to the New Testament, he taught his followers to pray as follows: "Yours will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".

THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM


Since the total submission of one's will to Allah represents the essence of worship, the basic message of Allah's divine religion, Islam is the worship of Allah alone and the avoidance of worship directed to any person, place or thing other than Allah.Since everything other than Allah, the Creator of all things, is Allah's creation; it may be said that Islam, in essence calls man away from the worship of creation and invites him to worship only its Creator. He is the only one deserving man's worship as it is only by His will that prayers are answered. If man prays to a tree and his prayers are answered, it was not the tree which answered his prayers but Allah who allowed the circumstances prayed for to take place. One might say, "That is obvious," however, to tree-worshippers it might not be. Similarly, prayers to Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, to Saint Christopher, or Saint Jude or even to Muhammad, are not answered by them but are answered by Allah. Jesus did nottell his followers to worship him but to worship Allah. As the Qur'aan states:

"And behold Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary Did you say to men, Worship me and my mother as gods besides Allah He will say-"Glory to you I could never say what I had no right (to say')" (Soorah Al-Maa'idah- 5:116)

Nor did he worship himself when he worshipped but rather he worshipped Allah. This basic principle is enshrined in the opening chapter of the Qur'aan, known as Soorah Al-Faatihah, verse 4:

"You alone do we worship and from you alone do we seek help".

Elsewhere, in the final book of revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah also said:

"And your Lord says:"Call on Me and I will answer your(prayer)."(Soorsh Mu'min 40:60)

it is worth noting that the basic message of Islam is that Allah and His creation are distinctly different entities. Neither is Allah His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him.
This might seem obvious, but, man's worship of creation instead of the Creator is to a large degree based on ignorance of this concept. It is the belief that the essence of Allah is everywhere in His creation or that His divine being is or was present in some aspects of His creation, which has provided justification for the worship of creation though such worship maybecalled the worship of Allah through his creation. How ever, the message of Islam as brought by the prophets of Allah is to worship only Allah and to avoid the worship of his creation either directly or indirectly. In the Our'aan Allah clearlystates:

"For We assuredly sent amongst every people a prophet,(with the command) worship meand avoid false gods " (Soorsh Al-Nahl 16:36)

When the idol worshipper is questioned as to why he or she bows down to idols created by men, the invariable reply is that they are not actually worshipping the stone image, but Allah who is present within it. They claim that the stone idol is only a focal point for Allah's essence and is not in itself Allah! One who has accepted the concept of the presence of God's being within His creation in any way will be obliged to accept this argument of idolatry. Whereas, one who understands the basic message of Islam and its implications would never concede to idolatry no matter how it is rationalized. Those who have claimed divinity for themselves down through the ages have often based their claims on the mistaken belief that Allah is present in man. They merely had to assert that although Allah according to their false beliefs, is in all of us, He is more present in them than in the rest of us. Hence, they claim, we should submit our will to them and worship them as they are either God in person or God concentrated within the person.
Similarly, those who have asserted the godhood of others after their passin
please think clar

Islam is the way

http://www.islamworld.net/

[Brother Temperance]

Re: why??

oh and tell me pastor Ezekiel about how the communisme is evil

what did you know about this subjet? oh sorry you don't know what I'm talking about ... You have only read one book in your life: the Bible

What books should we be reading? The Black Book of Communism, which details how 94 million were slaughtered by Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot in a deranged attempt to prove that women and chinks are equal to white Christian men?

Why should i pray An jesus who want to kill me?


hahaha that joke is pretty good : Where did you read that Karl Marx rape his daugther?

and if you know a little bit your history(the real I mean) I will understand that the probleme in the communism , is that Staline has killed Trusky even and take the control of the revolution ....and he tast the power(like Bush) .... you know the rest

Staline? As in Sylvester Staline? As Brother OYK has pointed out, you can't blame everything on being foreign: I refuse to believe that the Belgican or whatever you speak for "Trotsky" is "Trusky." And the thesis that the Soviet Union would have been better off if Trotsky's internationalist perspective had triumphed over Stalin's programme of "Socialism in One Country" is ridiculous - think about it, Trotsky was Jewish.

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: why??

When is this heathen going to share the "true" with us?

He/she/it talks a big talk, but provides nothing but a denial of God's Holy Book, the Holy Bible KJV 1611. Does he/she/it really think that denial of the Bible disproves it?

Because we cannot stone he/she/it to death as Jesus commands, let us pray for he/she/it.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: why??

oh and tell me pastor Ezekiel about how the communisme is evil

I can only assume that you mean communism here. While the communits manifesto might appear to be a perfect form of government, it has several fatal flaws.

1: The evil nature of dictators will always mess it up.
2: To have a perfect state, all the people within must have the same beliefs.
3: Unless the state actually manufactures everything the people need without importing, with a surplus, the people will be taxed too heavily to have a decent standard of living.
4: All the people have to be included, not just those in power.
5: Those in power are not supposed to be better off than the people they claim to watch over.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: why??

Why should i pray An jesus who want to kill me?

Because you want avoid spending an eternity gulping scalding hot bile?


hahaha that joke is pretty good : Where did you read that Karl Marx rape his daugther?

It is a well-known fact recorded in several books. She committed suicide because of it.

and if you know a little bit your history(the real I mean) I will understand that the probleme in the communism , is that Staline has killed Trusky even and take the control of the revolution ....and he tast the power(like Bush) .... you know the rest

Oh I see...we have a teenaged eurotrash Trotskyist here....Boy, you are about as far from Christ as you can get. Even your own kind loathed Trotsky.

[Freedom way]

Re: why??

I must admit to being surprised that you need anyone to describe the evils of communism. It was an evil, atheistic philosophy dreamed up by Karl Marx, who repeatedly raped his own daughter. Thanks to Jesus and our Godly President Ronald Reagan, with an assist from Maggie "Iron Lady" Thatcher, America has soundly defeated your vile unGodly lifestyle. Communism lies on the dustheap of history, and you eurotrash homers owe America a big debt for destroying it.

Now, why do you reject Jesus without even giving Him a chance? Read the Bible today, before Jesus decides to kill you, frenchie.

Why should i pray An jesus who want to kill me?


hahaha that joke is pretty good : Where did you read that Karl Marx rape his daugther?

and if you know a little bit your history(the real I mean) I will understand that the probleme in the communism , is that Staline has killed Trusky even and take the control of the revolution ....and he tast the power(like Bush) .... you know the rest

[OnYourKnees]

Re: why??

I only laft at you blinds sheeps who follows an illusion and thinking that you are superior by this way

You have only read one book in your life: the Bible

Once again, you spew insults at us, and expect pleasant replies.

You are a GUEST on this forum. Act like a guest.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: why??

oh and tell me again pastor Ezekiel about how the communism is evil

what did you know about this subjet? oh sorry you don't know what I'm talking about ... You have only read one book in your life: the Bible

I must admit to being surprised that you need anyone to describe the evils of communism. It was an evil, atheistic philosophy dreamed up by Karl Marx, who repeatedly raped his own daughter. Thanks to Jesus and our Godly President Ronald Reagan, with an assist from Maggie "Iron Lady" Thatcher, America has soundly defeated your vile unGodly lifestyle. Communism lies on the dustheap of history, and you eurotrash homers owe America a big debt for destroying it.

Now, why do you reject Jesus without even giving Him a chance? Read the Bible today, before Jesus decides to kill you, frenchie.

[Freedom way]

Re: why??

The only "true" you need to see is that God temprarily sacrificed His only begotten son to wash your sins away with His blood. Why do you mock His gift?

I only laft at you blinds sheeps who follows an illusion and thinking that you are superior by this way , that you can spit on woman, and all people that are different as you .

I don't need to be wash for my sins ..... I don't have sins you know why?

Because .... i'm a real humain , not restricted by illusions , I beleive in Love,
knowledge(in stead of you), friends, humains rights, humains equality , Science and Fun

oh and tell me again pastor Ezekiel about how the communism is evil

what did you know about this subjet? oh sorry you don't know what I'm talking about ... You have only read one book in your life: the Bible

[OnYourKnees]

Re: why??

That's what I say, but they keeping saying that the "earth PROVES god is real" speel. I still want them to PROVE hell is real. There's only ONE way to do that, hint-hint. Let's see if they catch it.

You're right, there's only ONE way to do that.

Let us know when you will be visiting Freehold, and we will ensure that you find out about Hell firsthand.

oh An xenophobic pastor .... nice try

are you also blind, sexiste and dumb like the others?

no one have still try to anwsered my questions ?

are you scared of seeing the true?

oh and don't tell me that your not able to understand this

Were there any intelligent questions for us to answer?

I saw something about fairy tales written by a drunk man. We follow the Bible, God's Word. We don't worship Ernest Hemingway.

Thanks for stopping by. Please come back when you can figure out how to compose an intelligent question, rather than flinging insults at God and Jesus and us and expecting pleasantries in return.

(By the way, don't they capitalize words in Belgium? I think they do. I think a lot of your English problem has to do with laziness.)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: why??

oh An xenophobic pastor .... nice try

are you also blind, sexiste and dumb like the others?

no one have still try to anwsered my questions ?

are you scared of seeing the true?

oh and don't tell me that your not able to understand this

The only "true" you need to see is that God temprarily sacrificed His only begotten son to wash your sins away with His blood. Why do you mock His gift?

[Freedom way]

Re: why??

oh and tell me pastor Ezekiel about how the communisme is evil

what did you know about this subjet? oh sorry you don't know what I'm talking about ... You have only read one book in your life: the Bible

[Freedom way]

Re: why??

oh An xenophobic pastor .... nice try

are you also blind, sexiste and dumb like the others?

no one have still try to anwsered my questions ?

are you scared of seeing the true?

oh and don't tell me that your not able to understand this