[Malott]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

There is a thin line between a keen eye and a wicked soul.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

If you can't tell the difference between murderers, and patriots celebrating their Second Amendment rights, you are a sick boy alright.

I am restating this because it proves a very valuable point that I think everybody should know about with the Bible. Here is what I said in response to this.

Now now, watch the childish name calling and lets keep this civil my friend.
But are you saying that as long as somebody accidentally kills another person despite knowing the dangers of what they are doing then it is ok? A person fires a gun in the air because of celebration and a child dies in result. Any person that is allowed to own a gun should know the very basic truth that what goes up must come down, and a bullet is one of these things that can come down and cause harm. So should that person take responsibility or not? Your post states that God killed the child but it was the irresponsible gun owner that actually did, doesn't that mean he killed somebody? Judging by your answer can I assume that you have irresponsibly shot a gun in the air without thinking that there might be a consequence?

And I can only guess that your response or somebody else's could include saying that God guided the bullet, but I am going to state right now that you CANNOT tell me when God does or does intervene with anything like that without also admitting that man needs not take responsibility over their actions.

Now if you could please answer the question directly without insulting me, changing the subject, bringing up something that has already been settled, or sidesteping the question, I would (and so would your followers I am sure) really appreciate it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

Now if you could please answer the question directly without insulting me, changing the subject, bringing up something that has already been settled, or sidesteping the question, I would (and so would your followers I am sure) really appreciate it.

You're an idiot, and that's not an insult it's the truth.

When really bad things happen (like you get eaten by wild beasts, get killed in war, get sick and die, etc.), then you'll know that it was God that did it to you.

Ezekiel 14:13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:

14:15 If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:

14:17 Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:

14:19 Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:

14:21 For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

You're an idiot, and that's not an insult it's the truth.

When really bad things happen (like you get eaten by wild beasts, get killed in war, get sick and die, etc.), then you'll know that it was God that did it to you.

That does not answer the questions that I asked. Nice sidestep though.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

That does not answer the questions that I asked. Nice sidestep though.

Nonsense, the Scripture I quoted answers your stupid question perfectly. God does it all, period, end of story. There is no "chance" or "luck" or "destiny" outside of God's munificence. If you think otherwise you are being deluded by satan, and now you are sowing seeds of discord through your endless prattle and childish attempts to debate God's Divine Plan. Take it elsewhere, butterscotch.

GOD DOES IT ALL. The sooner you swallow that load the better.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

Nonsense, the Scripture I quoted answers your stupid question perfectly. God does it all, period, end of story. There is no "chance" or "luck" or "destiny" outside of God's munificence. If you think otherwise you are being deluded by satan, and now you are sowing seeds of discord through your endless prattle and childish attempts to debate God's Divine Plan. Take it elsewhere, butterscotch.

GOD DOES IT ALL. The sooner you swallow that load the better.

You are acting as if I have ever said that God didn't do it all, I was asking you about it.

So, for clarification purposes since as we both know I am a bit slow does that mean that we should no longer arrest murderers, since by that logic nobody is killed by anybody since it is Gods will that kills anybody? "I didn't suffocate the person, God did, my hands just happened to be around their throat at the time."

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

You are acting as if I have ever said that God didn't do it all, I was asking you about it.

So, for clarification purposes since as we both know I am a bit slow does that mean that we should no longer arrest murderers, since by that logic nobody is killed by anybody since it is Gods will that kills anybody? "I didn't suffocate the person, God did, my hands just happened to be around their throat at the time."

I've already answered that question. You are being willfully vexatious again, boy.

If God causes a man to murder another in a land that outlaws such behavior, then isn't it obvious that God wants that man to be punished according the secular law? ALL things eminate from God. No exceptions. That doesn't get murderers off the hook.

Unless God wants that to happen.

Unfortunately, secular law does not recognize God omnipresence. Take it up with the God-hating liberals. That's why we're trying to get the U.S. constitution scrapped and the Holy Bible put in it's place.

Now shut up and go read your Bible.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

I've already answered that question. You are being willfully vexatious again, boy.

If God causes a man to murder another in a land that outlaws such behavior, then isn't it obvious that God wants that man to be punished according the secular law? ALL things eminate from God. No exceptions. That doesn't get murderers off the hook.

Unless God wants that to happen.

Unfortunately, secular law does not recognize God omnipresence. Take it up with the God-hating liberals. That's why we're trying to get the U.S. constitution scrapped and the Holy Bible put in it's place.

Thank you for this answer I am glad to have gotten somewhere and able to move forward, now a serious question that is obviously raised that I do not believe I am the only that needs this to be explained is the whole "Though shalt not kill" thing. I understand your point on them being arrested and that being Gods will but what about in the afterlife. Since it is Gods will that killed the person is that person (aka everybody who has ever murdered) still sent to Hell?
And yes, I am truly interested in what the answers to my questions are but I hope you understand when I feel that my questions are either changed or avoided.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

Your reasoning seems to be that if God makes you murder someone you should somehow get a "get out of hell for free" card in exchange. That is not how it works you will still go to hell.

"Hey but that is not fair" I hear you say. And again you would be wrong. There is a reason we keep saying to everyone visiting this forum they should start reading the Holy Bible and start praying to Jesus Christ. It is very important to make sure you are on Gods good side as soon as possible. And do not forget to pray to God to not to make you do something for which you will go to hell.

Amazing how it all makes sense right!

This is also why the trick many atheists come up with, live a life of sin and turn to Jesus at the end of your life, doesn't work. Every second you wait to start reading your Bible and praying to Jesus you risk eternal damnation. Just waiting another second you risk it again.

So when Pastor Ezekiel says "Now shut up and go read your Bible" he does that out of pure True Christian love for you. Our tough love is needed because we know every second counts and we have to save your soul as soon as possible because otherwise it could be too late and you would face eternal damnation. It is a tough job and most visitors of this forum do not appreciate us doing this. But it is all for a good cause and that is what counts.

Now shut up and go read your Bible idiot, otherwise you will burn in hell . You now know why.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

Your reasoning seems to be that if God makes you murder someone you should somehow get a "get out of hell for free" card in exchange. That is not how it works you will still go to hell.

"Hey but that is not fair" I hear you say. And again you would be wrong. There is a reason we keep saying to everyone visiting this forum they should start reading the Holy Bible and start praying to Jesus Christ. It is very important to make sure you are on Gods good side as soon as possible. And do not forget to pray to God to not to make you do something for which you will go to hell.

Amazing how it all makes sense right!

This is also why the trick many atheists come up with, live a life of sin and turn to Jesus at the end of your life, doesn't work. Every second you wait to start reading your Bible and praying to Jesus you risk eternal damnation. Just waiting another second you risk it again.

So when Pastor Ezekiel says "Now shut up and go read your Bible" he does that out of pure True Christian love for you. Our tough love is needed because we know every second counts and we have to save your soul as soon as possible because otherwise it could be too late and you would face eternal damnation. It is a tough job and most visitors of this forum do not appreciate us doing this. But it is all for a good cause and that is what counts.

Now shut up and go read your Bible idiot, otherwise you will burn in hell . You now know why.

Thank you, you Cranky Old Man, I once again am starting to like you.
The only thing I have left to say on this subject I think is that maybe you should realize that being mean with this "tough love" and trying to scare people into reading the Bible will only turn people off that much more from reading the Bible. It seems that is all that someone like me sees is "Do as I say or BURN" as soon as we lay eyes on these forums, rather hostile. Just something to keep in mind, that when trying to spread the word, scare tactics only work on people who already believe but has a very very little chance on converting somebody who doesn't.

AAANNNDDDD since I have you in a good mood, and I see you have already been to the Are you and Atheist thread, can you please head back over to the Cucumber thread please and reply to my post, I can't seem to post on there anymore (by either computer error, Pastors hating me, or divine intervention) . I think my question (or at least my point) on there is very clear in my last post. And if you could bring the whole "YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL" thing to a halt I would appreciate it, that sort of talk just makes me want to go do something else since it does not help answer any questions, I think it is safe to say that I understand you think, or know, or whatever word you wish to use, that I am going to burn.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

Thank you, you Cranky Old Man

You're welcome.

The only thing I have left to say on this subject I think is that maybe you should realize that being mean with this "tough love" and trying to scare people into reading the Bible will only turn people off that much more from reading the Bible. It seems that is all that someone like me sees is "Do as I say or BURN" as soon as we lay eyes on these forums, rather hostile. Just something to keep in mind, that when trying to spread the word, scare tactics only work on people who already believe but has a very very little chance on converting somebody who doesn't.

I don't agree with you on this, although I do agree that for some people a different aproach is needed.

the Cucumber thread please and reply to my post

Vegetables is not really my thing, I am more of a shoot your own food guy. Another True Christian will have to look at that one.

I think it is safe to say that I understand you think, or know, or whatever word you wish to use, that I am going to burn

True (that you know that) and true (that you will burn), but sometimes my memory is not that great so it could very well be I will forget this at some point.

[Matty Daniel]

Re: God smites child in church: why?

Hallelujah!