[roserougesang]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Plenty of REAL PEOPLE have no problem with us gothic types. My friends and I get along well with almost everyone we meet. That's because we're polite, intelligent and non-violent.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

You religious fanatics always make me laugh

Now please explain this: Where i come from we have goths but we don't have school massacres. So it seems to me that the source of America's violence problem isn't the goth subculture.

So what could it be? Maybe it's the politics. Or the fact that USA has to solve it's economical problems with war.

Friend, the Godly USA does not have any "economical" problems with war. Our Capitalist Military / Industrial complex produces world renowned weapons at the lowest price anywhere due to our rigorous competitive bidding process.

For someone with a screen name "Stormrage", sporting a "Goth" like avatar, and positing uninformed opinions about our so-called "violence" strikes me as a bit aggressive from someone seemingly concerned about massacres.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Why am I reminded of the story of when Jesus was in the tomb and the women went to play with the corpse.

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Jesus was (before they got there) despiced.

I wonder if He needed to be spiced after he overcame death and rose from the grave?

YIC
V

Hmmm...on one hand, it seems likely that a corpse that'd been dead for several days would smell quite bad. On the other, thinking that Jesus smelt horrible seems as though it might be a bit blasphemous, so I'd say the safest course of action is probably to just stop thinking about it, really.

[Brother V]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

I don't like goths, I despice them.

Why am I reminded of the story of when Jesus was in the tomb and the women went to play with the corpse.

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Jesus was (before they got there) despiced.

I wonder if He needed to be spiced after he overcame death and rose from the grave?

YIC
V

[Karo]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

I don't like goths, I despice them. But they do have the right to do like they want aslong they stay away from me.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

To be fair, was that man not a queer? Much as I'd hate to ever condone Goth behaviour, I dunno if putting queers down can really be called "murder."

It was..
And he approached Jon with the ultimate intent to sodomize him, so I'll call that one a clear case of self-defence.
He may be a vile goth, but surely, that doesn't make any attempts at sodomizing him right!

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Now please explain this: Where i come from we have goths but we don't have school massacres. So it seems to me that the source of America's violence problem isn't the goth subculture.

So what could it be? Maybe it's the politics. Or the fact that USA has to solve it's economical problems with war.

You think the War on Terror led to the Columbine High School massacre? All this proves is that Eurotrash can't get anything right, not even being goths. And what about the goths that killed that Rhys Jones boy, eh?

1994
SWEDEN - Jon Nodtveidt, singer of Goth black metal band Dissection murders man.

To be fair, was that man not a queer? Much as I'd hate to ever condone Goth behaviour, I dunno if putting queers down can really be called "murder."

[revrggreen]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

You religious fanatics always make me laugh

Now please explain this: Where i come from we have goths but we don't have school massacres. So it seems to me that the source of America's violence problem isn't the goth subculture.

So what could it be? Maybe it's the politics. Or the fact that USA has to solve it's economical problems with war.

Son,

The reason you goth freaks ain't shooting up schools over there is because you're too busy burning churches, sacrificing kittens, and smering your bodies in pigs blood. See, we know everything about you filthy goth freaks.

Goths would have us believe that this was just an isolated incident. That Columbine was just a one-off. We know better...

Out of just a few of the cases we have researched, we can create an alarming series of statistics. Remember we have hundreds more. When you put just a few together it looks very disturbing. This is why we fight. We will expose these filthy Goths for what they are. Very dangerous indeed.

1991
NORWAY - Vocalist of Mayhem commits suicide. The guitarist Euronymous, upon finding him, takes pictures of his bloody corpse for their album cover, and collects pieces of his skull to make necklaces out of.

1992
NORWAY - Church burnings and murders by Nazi Goths in Norway following Euronymous, lead guitarist of gothic black metal band Mayhem calling on fans to be terrorists for their anti-Christian cause.

NORWAY - Bart Faust, bassist of Goth band Emperor, murders a homosexual.

1993
USA - satanic murders of three innocent little children by Goth monster Damian Echols in West Memphis, Arkansas.

NORWAY - Euronymous murdered by Goth 'friend' Varg Vikernes, guitarist of Goth band Emperor.

1994
SWEDEN - Jon Nodtveidt, singer of Goth black metal band Dissection murders man.

1995
USA - Murder of 15 year old Elyse Pahler by Satanist Goth teens Royce Casey, Joseph Fiorella, and Jacob Delashmutt who idolized metal band Slayer and had conspired to kill a virgin girl as a sacrifice to Satan.

Goth Brian Bassett shoots and kills his parents before drowning his 5 year old brother, then proceeds to kick their corpses to the music of silver chair.

1996
USA - The infamous Vampire Clan Murders.

1997
Goth Satanist Luke Woodham brutally beats and stabs mother to death before going into school and killing 2 and injuring 7.

Kimberly Wilson, age 20, her 17-year-old sister, Julia, and their parents, William and Rose Wilson brutally murdered by sick Goths Alex Baranyi and his best friend, David Anderson, both 17.

1998
ITALY - Beasts of Satan cult, Goths into heavy metal, murder 2 teenagers.

1999
USA - 15 dead in the Columbine High school massacre, carried out on the anniversary of Hitler’s birthday by two Nazi obsessed Goths.

2001
USA - World Trade Centre destroyed by plans drawn up 2 year previously by Dylan Klebold, one of the terrorists from Columbine.
http://www.riverreporter.com/issues/01-09-20/oped.htm

GERMANY - Three Goth teenagers ages 14, 17 and 18 committed suicide after forming an online satanic death sect in an internet chat room.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1515464.stm

2001
GERMANY - Bride of Satan satanic murder case.

2002
UK - Vampire teenager slaughters frail old woman and drinks her blood.

UK - Alan Menzies also murders man after becoming obsessed with sickening Vampire film 'queen of the damned', He claims the queen of the damned ordered him to do it

2003
UK - Goth Jodi Jones aged 14 brutally murdered by her evil Marlyn Manson obsessed Gothic boyfriend.

Two self-styled vampires jailed for conducting a campaign of religious harassment against a vicar and his family. Scott Bower and Benjamin Lewis were found guilty of waging the three-month campaign against the Reverend Christopher Rowberry, his wife Karen and children Hannah, 15, and Simon, 17

2004
USA - Lely high school students caught planning copycat Columbine.

Teen Rachelle Waterman from Craig, Alaska masterminds murder of her own mother. She roped two former boyfriends into doing the deed. Her mother Lori ended up bludgeoned to death and her body burned out in the Alaskan wilderness.

2005
Beasts of Satan cult finally stand trial for their evil crimes.

USA - Orlando, Florida, a Goth Christopher Dunsmoor killed his fiancée, Fawn Trivette. Dunsmoor nearly beheaded Fawn, using a samurai sword.
USA - 105 Year old Minnesota United Church burned to the ground in a hate crime against Christianity by three sick Goth teens on the birthday of Varg Vikernes, a black metal musician now serving time in prison in Norway for murdering a band mate and burning several churches. Vikernes has inspired dozens of copycat church burnings around the world.
http://westmanpreacher.blogspot.com/2006/06/and-headlines-continue.html

USA - Goth Ben W. Fawley, age 38, told Richmond, Virginia police that he killed Virginia Commonwealth University freshman, Taylor Behl, age 17 while having "rough sex." Though 38, Fawley looked 17 and made it a point to dress like a 17 or 18-year-old Goth kid.

USA - Ten killed in Red Lake High School massacre by Goth Nazi Jeffrey Weise.

Goth David Rodriguez, 18, and a companion abducts 2 children in order to perform satanic ritual, allegedly to get his girlfriend back. Erika Castillo, 6, and her older brother, Oscar, were snatched outside a Little Village library on Friday. Rodriguez planned to carve a pentagram in the girl's chest.

USA - California, Goth Scott Dyleski, age 16, arrested for the brutal bludgeoning murder of Pamela Vitale, age 52. Vitale was the wife of well-known defense attorney and legal analyst for various cable news outlets, Daniel Horowitz.
USA - Two Goth teens hang themselves in planned ritual suicide pact.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/young-and-troubled--two-lives-destroyed-in-a-gothic-tragedy/2005/10/25/1130239521790.html

2006
14 year old Goth boy tries to murder entire family.
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=40282006

Twisted teenage vampiress attacked three girls who attend her Queens high school - savagely sinking her teeth into their necks in a series of bizarre bloodlettings.


And that's all BEFORE the Virginia Tech massacre! To say that Goths aren't dangerous is to be very ignorant indeed.

[Illidan Stormrage]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

You religious fanatics always make me laugh

Now please explain this: Where i come from we have goths but we don't have school massacres. So it seems to me that the source of America's violence problem isn't the goth subculture.

So what could it be? Maybe it's the politics. Or the fact that USA has to solve it's economical problems with war.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

No one I know wears the strange makeup,

Define strange according to you!
I suppose to you, painting your face deathly white is normal?

none of us listen to the same bands, not all of us own the same clothes,

Wow, you're really individualistic!
You don't own the EXACT same clothes, nor do you listen to EXACTLY the same bands..
You only dress in very similar (same kind) clothes, all with the same color (black, and mayyyybe red if you're 'bold' and want to "stick out") and listen to one or even two! (almost identical) categories of music..

Yeah, original indeed: Heh, you're almost as original as wiggers!

I only know of two obsessed with Vampires, one likes Werewolves, I like Dragons; I know no Satanists, no one obsessed with death. Most who "massacrated schools " weren't right in the head but they can't be the representitives of an entire subculture that stretches the world over, and no one who whines about life.

Right! Stop lying.
You can't lie to the Holy Spirit; we True Christians see right through your lies!
Better repent, God hate a liar.

Our mere wish is to be left to our own devices, just as we leave you.

Since when did you leave us alone?
You keep forcing your unwanted opinon on us every chance you get!
And do remember, we didn't come to your forum, you came to ours..
You leave us alone? Uh-huh right you do..
That's why we get goths here everyday, posting gay porn and spamming.
You rarely see it, because we Mods usually delete it almost instantly, and ban the responsible goths..
But you sure don't leave us alone!

Besides, your devices are satan's devices.. I'm sure gangbangers, satanists, and other criminal scum like you wants to be "left to their own devices" too..
But that doesn't mean we should do that! Evil is to be challenged wherever it rears it's gothic head.
Especially since you're hurting others, and yourself, with your decadent lifestyle.. and as loving Christians we cannot allow that.
We're only trying to save you from hell, even if satan has deluded you into thinking you do not want to be Saved..

Lol! Like Blind said, look at the names 'Lestat Voorhees'? Yeah, right!

Voorhees is actually a quite common name in the netherlands, over there in decadent backwater europe...
There is a township in New Jersey named Voorhees too.. And Lestat isn't that uncommon a name in europe either.
They name their kids the darnest things those sodomites.

Really, it's not like your goth idol Anne Rice invented that name you know.. Silly goth witch.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

Lol! Like Blind said, look at the names 'Lestat Voorhees'? Yeah, right!

[Blind leading the blind]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

No one I know wears the strange makeup, none of us listen to the same bands, not all of us own the same clothes, I only know of two obsessed with Vampires, one likes Werewolves, I like Dragons; I know no Satanists, no one obsessed with death. Most who "massacrated schools " weren't right in the head but they can't be the representitives of an entire subculture that stretches the world over, and no one who whines about life. Our mere wish is to be left to our own devices, just as we leave you.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

That's all lies, and if you look at those names they're obviously fake. Most kids are attracted to the Goth subculture because they want attention. Goth is a movement of those who see beauty in their world, appreciate the arts and basically strive for individuality.

So is gothism for those who seek attention, or for those others you mention?

Indivudiality huh?
Yeah, I guess that's why all goths dress the same, wear makeup (and in the same style too), and listen to the same kind of music:
Because goths are just so unique and individual..

Most would never harm a soul or an animal (unless you get into the Vampires...that's a whole different story).

Why is it a different story?
After all, goths in general are completely obsessed with everything victorian:
And especially their vampire nonsense.

The only good thing about the victorian era I can think of was that most women was kept in their place.. Not allowed to have jobs or vote.
And the victorians also knew that even reading books were potentially harmful for women.

I personally am a goth and i don't do any of those things. My friends (mostly) are goth and they don't do any of those things. I even know goths that don't listen to heavy, black or death metal. They listen to power metal and classical orchestra and choir music.

You're a goth, so you're biased. Why should we trust you?
Would you trust a neo-nazi about the goals of the third reich? Or the holocaust?
You simply try to cover up the fact that the goth culture is filled with obsession of death, satanism, vampirism, and general whining about life.

Most of the kids who've massacrated schools were goths: But you claim that is only a coincidence?

Just because someone dresses different doesn't mean they're a bad person, just that they are an individual. Individuality is not a bad thing nor is it a new thing. How else are we supposed to identify if we are not our own person?

Nobody can tell you goths apart! You call that being an individual?
You don't dress different at all, you all dress exactly the same - that's the very trademark of a goth!
You all wear black and makeup.. and you all whine! (As demonstrated in your post)

[Blind leading the blind]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

That's all lies, and if you look at those names they're obviously fake. Most kids are attracted to the Goth subculture because they want attention. Goth is a movement of those who see beauty in their world, appreciate the arts and basically strive for individuality. Most would never harm a soul or an animal (unless you get into the Vampires...that's a whole different story).
I personally am a goth and i don't do any of those things. My friends (mostly) are goth and they don't do any of those things. I even know goths that don't listen to heavy, black or death metal. They listen to power metal and classical orchestra and choir music.
Just because someone dresses different doesn't mean they're a bad person, just that they are an individual. Individuality is not a bad thing nor is it a new thing. How else are we supposed to identify if we are not our own person?

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: What REAL PEOPLE think about Goths...

What worries me most about Goths is their willingness to kill themselves (nearly 100% of Goths have committed suicide), it's only a matter of time before Saddam Bin Ladan Islamanizes their minds and convinces them to partake in suicide bombings.