[vikkio (On Moderation)]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Okay, here's the deal: you promise to drop this subject, and not to do any more paranoid conspiracy-type posts. We stick to ironing out any dissagreements we have, if any.

You keep that promise and I won't touch any posts. Deal?

Conspiracy? What conspiracy? I looked around and found some links and asked about them. But rather than simply deleting the post if you did not find it suitable, you edited it with words I never said making it appear I was trying to argue with you when I never did that.

How can I even think of debating with someone who do that?

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries. (On Moderation)]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

My reply is that, to begin with, the pledge of allegiance was only recently changed to include the words \'one nation under god\' but it said before, and still says now, about liberty and justice for all.

And the pursuit of happiness is the right of all citizens, as stated in the declaration of independence. Thus, if one is happy pursuing a life without the xtian religion, it is their unalienable right.

Very well put, better then I could have said it. n.n

I\'m happy following my life without religion as a gay male, and that is why I live in America because it gives me the right to pursue that path here.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

My reply is that, to begin with, the pledge of allegiance was only recently changed to include the words 'one nation under god' but it said before, and still says now, about liberty and justice for all.

And the pursuit of happiness is the right of all citizens, as stated in the declaration of independence. Thus, if one is happy pursuing a life without the xtian religion, it is their unalienable right.

The pledge was not written by the founding fathers, or by Jesus, it was in fact written bya socialist. It has no legal basis whatsoever.

America exists because the British made treaties with the indians, promising not to move the frontier westward. They event taxed the colonists to build forts to stop our settlers. So we rebelled, kicked the British out, and conquered the heathens indians.

All this liberty and justice nonsense was cooked up by the liberals.

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries. (On Moderation)]

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Okay, now I see the heart of the dissagreement. You follow a completely unAmerican definition of freedom. Here\\\\\\\'s the proper republican definition, as said by the front-running Republican Candidate, Rudy Guiliani:

"Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. [COLOR=\\\\"red\\\\"]Freedom is about authority[/color]. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do." - Rudy Giuliani

Now are things clearing up?

Well, your point of view is clear to me however the republican view is just one view. If that was the dead set view, and was indeed 100% accurate would they not have already kicked me out for being gay and an atheist? I see where you are coming from, sort of, but I can still see many holes in your argument, sorry. n.n; [also, if it is one forgive the double post]

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

How can I even think of debating with someone who do that?

I don't know, but you've just made 18 or so posts to that effect...

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

but I can still see many holes in your argument

I can't. I can see "holiness" but that's it. The reason you're still in God's country is because A. The traitors in the Democratic party and B. If we deported you, how will we get you into tough-love re-hetero-education camp as planned in the upcoming "Securing Families amendment"?

[vikkio (On Moderation)]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

I don't know, but you've just made 18 or so posts to that effect...

Well, you could start by removing your own words from posts with my name, then maybe we can move on to "civil" debate.

It is offensive that you wrote something and attributed it to me and it is not fair in civil debate. Doing so would be a good step in creating a more even ground fro discussions.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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The pledge was not written by the founding fathers, or by Jesus, it was in fact written bya socialist. It has no legal basis whatsoever.

So you're saying the pledge of allegiance means nothing? I daresay quite a lot of people would disagree with you!

America exists because the British made treaties with the indians, promising not to move the frontier westward. They event taxed the colonists to build forts to stop our settlers. So we rebelled, kicked the British out, and conquered the heathens indians.

All this liberty and justice nonsense was cooked up by the liberals.

Ok, so you picked on the pledge of allegiance. But not even you can deny about the declaration of independence, which states that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights.

Very well put, better then I could have said it. n.n

I\'m happy following my life without religion as a gay male, and that is why I live in America because it gives me the right to pursue that path here.

Yup, it is your right to be able to live and love the gender that you're attracted to without religion.
And people like the ACLU are here to ensure that happens.

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries. (On Moderation)]

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I can't. I can see "holiness" but that's it. The reason you're still in God's country is because A. The traitors in the Democratic party and B. If we deported you, how will we get you into tough-love re-hetero-education camp as planned in the upcoming "Securing Families amendment"?

thats very ego-centric of you, but usually ego-centric people can't see their own ego-centric-ness or whatever you'd call it. n.n You may see th holiness in it i see the holes, we have different points of view and thats all, but people with different points of view on things could still get along. n.n I personally think I should have the right to stay in the country that was founded on freedom...I personally in MY opnion think I should have all the rights that a Christian does. the only different between you and me is our views on religion and sexual orientation. You are very dedicated to your religion, thats okay, but it will not change my views. ^^

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Doing so would be a good step in creating a more even ground fro discussions.

What is this, the Middle-East freakin' peace process? This is not the U.N., this is an internet forum created for the sole perpose of saving your soul.

Look, when you arrive in the eternal bliss of heaven, and realize that *I* saved you from the endless torture of Hell, you will thank me for everything. EVERYTHING. You probably won't thank me before then, but I don't care.

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries. (On Moderation)]

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Yup, it is your right to be able to live and love the gender that you're attracted to without religion.
And people like the ACLU are here to ensure that happens.

Then you are one of the open minded people on this board that I respect. n.n I am not one to care what religion anyone follows, if they are a nice person and have an open mind, i could not care less what their religion is or lack thereof. I think this is what America is really about. n.n

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Then you are one of the open minded people on this board that I respect. n.n I am not one to care what religion anyone follows, if they are a nice person and have an open mind, i could not care less what their religion is or lack thereof. I think this is what America is really about. n.n

Exactly, if people are happy, then as long as they are not causing harm to themselves or others, or trying to push a belief down someone else's throat, then it's all good.

People like these landover fundies need to realize that, and stop trying to force their ways on others. They wouldn't like it if other people's ways were forced on them.

[Sister Rebecca]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Well, you could start by removing your own words from posts with my name, then maybe we can move on to "civil" debate.

It is offensive that you wrote something and attributed it to me and it is not fair in civil debate. Doing so would be a good step in creating a more even ground fro discussions.

Stupid child, whoever told you debate, when on God's forum, was either civil or fair?? If someone did, they LIED to you.
There IS no debate here. There is only blah blah blah malarkey.
Find Jesus and get Saved(R) or you will Burn in Hell. It is that simple. Relax, find Jesus and hit the paypal button below. Its alright, I tell you. Go on, no one will see you do it (except Jesus).
Oh, and your signature is pretty mamby pamby if you ask me. This would be a much better one...

Proof that God thinks its perfectly fair to kill women and children (and since I am sure old Abe wouldn't want anyone doing the same to him... seems as if your verse is out of context). Sarah told Abraham to cast out Hagar and the kid and God agreed and told him to do it.
Genesis
21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba. 21:15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs. 21:16 And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bow shot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.

[.Sarcastic.Strawberries. (On Moderation)]

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Exactly, if people are happy, then as long as they are not causing harm to themselves or others, or trying to push a belief down someone else's throat, then it's all good.

People like these landover fundies need to realize that, and stop trying to force their ways on others. They wouldn't like it if other people's ways were forced on them.

Yes excatly however they're also the type that will never change. :[ It's sad but true. [Ooo, Metallica song xD]

And of course they wouldn't like it if someone shoved another religion down their throats, they see themselves as the only religion thats right, so they would shove theirs right back in rebuttal! It'd be a big religion shoving party that I wouldn't really want to be invited to. o.0;;

[Sister Rebecca]

Re: You have convinced me I was wrong about you

Exactly, if people are happy, then as long as they are not causing harm to themselves or others, or trying to push a belief down someone else's throat, then it's all good.

People like these landover fundies need to realize that, and stop trying to force their ways on others. They wouldn't like it if other people's ways were forced on them.

Oh, puh-leeze, you old diesel dyke! You know damn good and well that we only put up with your garbage because you secretly believe as we do. We still have hope that one day you will get Saved(R) and join us. I mean, really... why else would you hang out, all day every day, with us?