[Cranky Old Man]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Respect is earned, but meeting someone for the first time, you should show them some form of respect.

I assure you people who start their visit to our forum by properly introducing themselves and telling us how they found Jesus are immediately treated with the utmost respect. You on the other hand...

[Nobar King]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

I truely hope that you will all be punished for your ways.

By whom? The Internet Faith Police? A gaggle of Juggalos?

[FISHBRAIN#2]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Respect is earned, but meeting someone for the first time, you should show them some form of respect. Then again with being homophobic, sexist, racist and disagree with your own kind, i wouldn't expect you lot to understand that. I truely hope that you will all be punished for your ways. And if there is a god, that you still have the chance to redeem yourselves if you see the error in your ways and the core of yourselves is a good person. This only goes to those judgemental without reason and in-acceptance of others.

I responded as people responded back to me so i showed them the decency of replying back. Something Pastor, you know nothing about.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Respect should be automatically granted and if shown not worthy then you need to earn it.

Sorry, but that's not what the Bible says.

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" -- 2 John 1:9-11

Your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

And a few hours ago you said you were leaving. What happened to that?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Because i was saying otherwise.

So?

I haven't disrespected 1 person here

You have disrespected everyone here by annoying Jesus!

]Respect should be automatically granted

No. Respect is something you have to earn!

I am not an atheist. You use that term without knowing what one is. It is one that is 100% sure there is a god. And maybe even covers people who thing there probably isnt god but wouldn't fully agree with that. I have said that i'm not sure there is a god, but theres also no reason why there wouldn't be one.

I right now could claim that my book is he word of god.

Yes. You could also claim to have a brain. Both would be lies.

[The Hand]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

I am not an atheist. You use that term without knowing what one is.

I take back what I said. Please don't stop typing. You're comedy gold.

Yeah, you're the first heathen ever to come here, and I'm sure you're going to shake our faith to the core with your interesting and informative views on the world and tell us something we have not heard a thousand times before.

Do continue.

[FISHBRAIN#2]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

So if your soul isn't your being, then when your soul is ascended into heaven, you as in you being will just be dead? Because i was saying otherwise.

I haven't disrespected 1 person here, i have been for my views though. Respect should be automatically granted and if shown not worthy then you need to earn it.

I am not an atheist. You use that term without knowing what one is. It is one that is 100% sure there is a god. And maybe even covers people who thing there probably isnt god but wouldn't fully agree with that. I have said that i'm not sure there is a god, but theres also no reason why there wouldn't be one. So i am in the middle.

I don't run around joining Islamic discussion forums and telling Muslims that their views on women's rights are wrong before Allah

No but people here do say that their religion is wrong and should be Christian as that is right. Well they think the exact same thing, that their religion is right. We need to find what's right for us. And you also criticise christians too for not being your type of christian.

Also your argument saying that god would make sure the bible stays correct to the word is ridiculous. I right now could claim that my book is he word of god. Whats to say that the Koran isn't the real word of god. What's to stop me from letting people believe that. You cannot say that the bible is proof that the bible is right. That is flawed. You are reading me from the opinion of what you have learnt and your belief and not being neutral so you're being biased. I was going to say more on this, but can't find the right words.

[The Hand]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Like i say how do you know its the terrorists that are fully in the wrong, of course i do not condone terrorism, but terrorism is a big thing, and there will be be organisations in charge, and i was saying maybe its these that are the main blame for forcing terrorists into a position they have little choice in the matter.

Even the most liberal treehugging prancing dancing cowardly hippy wouldn't defend terrorism. That makes you either a terrorist or a supporter of terrorism.

At the soul thing. I count your being as a soul. So if you have feelings, and thoughts and basically you as a person, that is your soul. I'd be interested to know what you count as a soul. Animals have these things although are less cognitive,, they have a life.

Stop trying to sound clever. You are hopeless at it.

Also i did ask for respect, saying im an idiot, and changing my thread title does not show this. I could be more brutally honest, but that wouldn't really do any good anyway. I also have the right to argue about god (even though that wasnt the point of the thread) without reading the bible... blah blah blah...

Here are your RIGHTS, in case you missed them the first time.

Anyway when you say heaven would be miles deep in insects. It's been 2010 years since Jesus and possibly tens or even hundreds of thousands of years before that of human kind on this planet. There are about 7 billion people alive
at the moment. Heaven would be seriously overcrowded anyway with a tiny fraction going to heaven. I say overcrowded but that wouldn't really make sense to say since we have no idea about it so could be limitless but my point stands.

So let me see if I understand this right. You say yourself that you have no idea what you are talking about, and then punctuate it with "my point still stands"? Were you born stupid or are you just a gifted amateur?

Anyway you lot obviously have too closed minds blindly following the bible (possibly altering its meaning, however i can't comment on that, so we'll leave that). The whole thing could of just been a lie 2000 years ago, or maybe it had truth but what happened has largely been altered over time as naturally things do. But your faith is your decision. But God should not expect is to worship him over something this trivial, we know nothing about his presence. Jesus believed in peace and no violence, and so that would be gods word, that is why he died for us, peacefully. And all this time later we still have this rage against others, by his own followers. There can not be peace if we cannot accept others for who they are, and that is why a lot of our race is flawed.

Maybe you can explain what CHRIST meant when He said these then, since you're the expert:

Luke.19
[27] But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Matt.10
[33] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

CHRIST doesn't mess around with that peace nonsense, and had no patience for fools like you. He had an important job to do.

The majority of people would agree with the base of my claims, everyone will find something of what i have said altogether that they don't agree on, but they would agree that your views are too strong.

Yes, the majority of people will agree with the base of your claims: that you don't know what you are talking about.

Stop typing. Sit back and read a bit, before you regurgitate any more of that moron juice you've been drinking. Start with the BIBLE (KJV)

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

At the soul thing. I count your being as a soul. So if you have feelings, and thoughts and basically you as a person, that is your soul. I'd be interested to know what you count as a soul. Animals have these things although are less cognitive,, they have a life.

Oh, great. So now you're making up definitions for words.

The soul is the part of you which continues to exist after death. God breathed it into Adam, not into beetles.

Also i did ask for respect, saying im an idiot, and changing my thread title does not show this.

I don't know what your thread title was . . . however, if you continue to persist in idiotic statements, I will have to continue to call you an idiot.

Respect is earned, not demanded. You have done nothing to earn it. You have declared that your opinions outweigh God's direction. That is not only disrespectful of every single Christian on the face of the earth, but is also an affront to God.

Yet you think you deserve respect, when you insult us and God?

You come onto a Christian church's website and tell Christians that their views are horribly wrong . . . without ever having read the Bible.

Yet you think you deserve respect, when you show none?

I could be more brutally honest, but that wouldn't really do any good anyway. I also have the right to argue about god (even though that wasnt the point of the thread) without reading the bible since I find it highly unlikely that a book 2k years ago represents gods true word.

You have the "right" to say whatever you want, as long as the moderators of this privately-owned web forum agree to let you speak.

Whether you are right in what you say is a different story.

Tell me, do you think God, who created the entire universe in the blink of an eye, is so weak and pitiful that He can't make sure His book says what He wants it to?

You all question other religions, do you read their own versions of the bible (not sure of any names of them). No you don't, yet when it comes to you, you say I have nothing to base my opinion on.

I don't run around joining Islamic discussion forums and telling Muslims that their views on women's rights are wrong before Allah, no. That would be idiotic, as I do not know the Koran.

Anyway when you say heaven would be miles deep in insects. It's been 2010 years since Jesus and possibly tens or even hundreds of thousands of years before that of human kind on this planet. There are about 7 billion people alive at the moment. Heaven would be seriously overcrowded anyway with a tiny fraction going to heaven. I say overcrowded but that wouldn't really make sense to say since we have no idea about it so could be limitless but my point stands.

OH, you're an ATHEIST.

Why are you bothering a Christian church with your idiocy, atheist?

Anyway you lot obviously have too closed minds blindly following the bible (possibly altering its meaning, however i can't comment on that, so we'll leave that).

So you think we should pick and choose the parts of God's Holy Word that we like, and use the rest as so much toilet paper?

The majority of people would agree with the base of my claims, everyone will find something of what i have said altogether that they don't agree on, but they would agree that your views are too strong.

We don't care what "the majority of Hellbound people" think. We care what God thinks. You, last time I checked, are not God.

[FISHBRAIN#2]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

lmao @ frankaz =P

So now your'e defending TERRORISTS!?!? Holy crap, you are one misguided moron! Really? The 9/11 Jihadists might not have been such bad guys? You're on your own on that one pal!

Like i say how do you know its the terrorists that are fully in the wrong, of course i do not condone terrorism, but terrorism is a big thing, and there will be be organisations in charge, and i was saying maybe its these that are the main blame for forcing terrorists into a position they have little choice in the matter.

At the soul thing. I count your being as a soul. So if you have feelings, and thoughts and basically you as a person, that is your soul. I'd be interested to know what you count as a soul. Animals have these things although are less cognitive,, they have a life.

Also i did ask for respect, saying im an idiot, and changing my thread title does not show this. I could be more brutally honest, but that wouldn't really do any good anyway. I also have the right to argue about god (even though that wasnt the point of the thread) without reading the bible since I find it highly unlikely that a book 2k years ago represents gods true word. There are so many things that could be wrong, like the fact that english as a language didnt exist then, so I'm guessing the bible is translated in which some things are likely to be translated wrong. and the fact that its so old makes it very little evidence. You all question other religions, do you read their own versions of the bible (not sure of any names of them). No you don't, yet when it comes to you, you say I have nothing to base my opinion on.

Anyway when you say heaven would be miles deep in insects. It's been 2010 years since Jesus and possibly tens or even hundreds of thousands of years before that of human kind on this planet. There are about 7 billion people alive
at the moment. Heaven would be seriously overcrowded anyway with a tiny fraction going to heaven. I say overcrowded but that wouldn't really make sense to say since we have no idea about it so could be limitless but my point stands.

Anyway you lot obviously have too closed minds blindly following the bible (possibly altering its meaning, however i can't comment on that, so we'll leave that). The whole thing could of just been a lie 2000 years ago, or maybe it had truth but what happened has largely been altered over time as naturally things do. But your faith is your decision. But God should not expect is to worship him over something this trivial, we know nothing about his presence. Jesus believed in peace and no violence, and so that would be gods word, that is why he died for us, peacefully. And all this time later we still have this rage against others, by his own followers. There can not be peace if we cannot accept others for who they are, and that is why a lot of our race is flawed.

The majority of people would agree with the base of my claims, everyone will find something of what i have said altogether that they don't agree on, but they would agree that your views are too strong.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Don't even bother Frishy. Soon they will advice you to smack yourself with the bible until you believe in Jesus or die of head trauma.

What a great idea!

Of course, reading it would work, too.

[WinterFresh]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

Don't even bother Frishy. Soon they will advice you to smack yourself with the bible until you believe in Jesus or die of head trauma.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

So im gonna start off with things ive seen and what i think of them:

Why should we care what you think? We are interested in God's opinion, and it's in the Bible.

1) "Women are not equal".
Totally bogus alot of ur views are outdated and women are just as worthy of men. There are bad women, there are bad men. There are good women. There are good men.

God says that women are to be subject to men in the Bible, and makes it clear that they are men's property. Who are you to question God?

2) "Homosexuality is wrong and u will go to hell for ur sin".
Again very outdated. Gays are people too. I personally dont think gay relationships shud really happen, but they do and i have no problem with them. They are entitles to their own beliefs and feelings as well as everyone else. some maybe just confused, but there will be alot of them that u wont be able to change, and thats nothing to do with them being evil or sinners. The last sentence includes everyone else.

God declares homosexuality an abomination and demands that they be put to death. In the New Testament, homos are specifically listed among those who will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Again, your opinion vs. God's Word. Who do you think wins?

3) "Blacks are sinners, so are <insert country/race here>".
Again these are real people and u have no right to be racist and shud have the same rights as everyone else. I am willing to guess that pretty much none of u have ever left your own country, so really why should u have such a strong opinion on people you kno nothing about. Some of u may also of had bad experiences from a specific race, but u shoud kno that goes for any face including ur own.

I've never seen anyone here say that all blacks are sinners because they are black. We have several prominent ex-Negroes here. Frankly, anyone not a True Christian(tm) is a sinner.

4) "Disney channel is evil".
Dont even kno where u got that from, its entertainment for kids, stories used to be told and now tvs have become one source like it.

We watched it and saw the perversions Disney promotes. Witchcraft, Islam, etc. Evil.

5) " Sex before marriage is wrong/Sex is sinful"
Tbh i didnt read the former part but u probably believe it anyway, ur entitled to ur opinion, but u shud remember people will have their beliefs too and just coz its different to urs doesnt mean theyre wrong, ever thought maybe u r wrong (not sayin u r). Sex is a pleasure that people enjoy and can bring people to have close relationships. We all kno sex is abused, but remember people have their views too. Also u say that prostitution is wrong. Maybe so but its still one of the oldest professions ever and possibly alot of them are forced into it and shud not be judged for that.

You're just an idiot, aren't you?

The Bible demands that if a woman pretends to be a virgin and her new husband learns she is not, he can have her STONED TO DEATH.

Fornication is against God's Will. How are you to know which man's wealth a child is to inherit if women are having relations with any man who comes their way?

6) "Vegetarians are misguided"
We have incisors that are built to cut through meat, there's something called the food chain and we are entitled to eat meat. That is my opinion. However animals are treated cruelty and their soul is killed for us to consume their bodies. If u have ever had a pet, you would kno that they have their own character and feelings too. So vegetarians have the right to their beliefs.

How does "having a right to their beliefs" negate our position that "vegetarians are misguided"?

Incidentally, animals do not have souls. Only humans do.

Can you imagine if animals had souls? Heaven would be miles deep in insects!

[Frankaz]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

First of all, try to take me seriously and open ur minds, im not here to critisize u, but to help u even if u think differently. Dont let yourselves be blinded by ur faith. Theres nothing wrong with ur faith in god. However from the few things ive read on here, u guys are extreme in ur beliefs. Please take the time to read this, it is for your own good after all.

I came here after some guy on another forum i visit linking to a thread about how evil australia is [porn site deleted]

I probably wont get through to most of u, but hopefully i can make some of u better people. Again i will say im not here to criticize u.

So im gonna start off with things ive seen and what i think of them:
1) "Women are not equal".
Totally bogus alot of ur views are outdated and women are just as worthy of men. There are bad women, there are bad men. There are good women. There are good men.
2) "Homosexuality is wrong and u will go to hell for ur sin".
Again very outdated. Gays are people too. I personally dont think gay relationships shud really happen, but they do and i have no problem with them. They are entitles to their own beliefs and feelings as well as everyone else. some maybe just confused, but there will be alot of them that u wont be able to change, and thats nothing to do with them being evil or sinners. The last sentence includes everyone else.
3) "Blacks are sinners, so are <insert country/race here>".
Again these are real people and u have no right to be racist and shud have the same rights as everyone else. I am willing to guess that pretty much none of u have ever left your own country, so really why should u have such a strong opinion on people you kno nothing about. Some of u may also of had bad experiences from a specific race, but u shoud kno that goes for any face including ur own.
4) "Disney channel is evil".
Dont even kno where u got that from, its entertainment for kids, stories used to be told and now tvs have become one source like it.
5) " Sex before marriage is wrong/Sex is sinful"
Tbh i didnt read the former part but u probably believe it anyway, ur entitled to ur opinion, but u shud remember people will have their beliefs too and just coz its different to urs doesnt mean theyre wrong, ever thought maybe u r wrong (not sayin u r). Sex is a pleasure that people enjoy and can bring people to have close relationships. We all kno sex is abused, but remember people have their views too. Also u say that prostitution is wrong. Maybe so but its still one of the oldest professions ever and possibly alot of them are forced into it and shud not be judged for that.
6) "Vegetarians are misguided"
We have incisors that are built to cut through meat, there's something called the food chain and we are entitled to eat meat. That is my opinion. However animals are treated cruelty and their soul is killed for us to consume their bodies. If u have ever had a pet, you would kno that they have their own character and feelings too. So vegetarians have the right to their beliefs.

There will be other views that i have missed but this thread should cover all you need to know. I hope you all can be better people, even though realistically not all of you will. If there is a god, u may go to hell for that, i personally think as long as ur intentions are good, and deep down ur a good person, u will go to heaven, otherwise u should be able to redeem yourself if you find how wrong you have been and are sorry as this is the fairest way and i believe in fairness. (im still not being critical, read on as im almost done)

We are all equal in this world. If u do reply please dont use bible quotes as they wont mean anything to me. Im sort of agnostic in the fact that god may exist, but im also open to the fact that there may not be one. DO NOT TRY TO COMMENT ON MY FAITH AS THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS FOR. This thread is to try to make u more open to other peoples values making u a better person. After all, would god really like you with all your judgements. Blacks, gays, women are all his creation and u have no right to criticize his work. We are all unique and thats what makes us great. You should respect everyone for theyre beliefs because im sure u wud like the same, and everyone deserves equal rights. Im willing to bet that alot of u get criticized and/or made fun of alot, and that will partly be because of ur extreme views that are misguided. I believe life is about being happy and being the best person u r. God would want you to love ur fellow men and women whoever they may be and what they believe in. Also another little tip would not to impose ur religion (or views as i have saying all in this thread) too strongly on other people.

There wasnt really a place to put this thread, but its here is a good enough place as this is where you pick on everyone else who dont share your own beliefs and you blindly criticize others thinking you are completely right. And you probably mostly dont know much about them either so dont really have any base for your argument.

Please treat me with respect as i have with u. If you do have doubts about what i have written as u probably will then dont just reject what i have written straight away. Think about it, really do until you can really

Frishy, you are clearly a witch and should be burned at the stake. How can you possibly spout such liberalist, Satanic nonsense!

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: God "would" "believe" my "view" is agnostics are HELLBOUND

How do we know the 9/11 bombers were really bad. We know one side and that's that they drove a plane into the towers and killed innocent lives. However, how do we know that they weren't forced and/or threatened to do this, say if they didn't do it, their family would be killed and that they would find someone to do it anyway. And even if that isnt the case, why should they be punished coz thats what they have been led to believe was for the good of the world, just like how you think saying that everyone but your group will go to hell. Think about how if you weren't born where you live, you wouldn't have your christian faith and may believe in some other religion, possibly the same god but this is what you are taught and this is what you are told is right. So if they did redeem themselves, they wouldn't be laughing at us since they would have realised they were misguided. Anyway if any of you make anyones lives hell be it for them being black or gay, your not that far off from being as bad as terrorists.

So now your'e defending TERRORISTS!?!? Holy crap, you are one misguided moron! Really? The 9/11 Jihadists might not have been such bad guys? You're on your own on that one pal!

Next you'll try to tell us that the Democrats aren't trying to destroy America! Please! And I bet you think those Tea Party Patriots are a bunch of politcally ignorant, racist reactionaries!

You've got some pretty messed up ideas friend!

Oh, and I know this had been mentioned by others, but you write like a retarded person.

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