[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

All religion is created by human to control people and so many people where stupid enough to follow it. I'm a strong atheist, Christianity and all religion are jokes. I was a Christian until I started doing research into religion. There's so many religion that all say that their religion is the true one.

It does not matter how much you can lift: what is this, the playground?

But you miss the point: all religions claim that they the right one but only can be correct and the Bible(KJV1611) tells us which one.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Check mate, atheist.

YIC

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I'm a strong atheist

How is it possible to strongly not believe in something; anything? You either believe or you don't. It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself. God knows what you are doing.

[Vocalslaughter]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

All religion is created by human to control people and so many people where stupid enough to follow it. I'm a strong atheist, Christianity and all religion are jokes. I was a Christian until I started doing research into religion. There's so many religion that all say that their religion is the true one.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Dear Mr. Man,

How nice of you to visit us. You are quite verbose and seem sincere. Of course, you are also lost but not irrevocably. We can help you. Please, let me start with your claims!

1) First of all, I do feel sympathy for other people, just because I'm an Atheist that doesn't mean I would feel no emotion if someone were to be hurt.

You may feel that you do good things, but Jesus disagrees. Whatever an atheist does is by definition evil. It may seem kind and caring but the Bible clearly tells us that in the end it only causes disaster. If we didn't have the Bible to guide us, we would also be seduced by atheist kindness. Praise God he has told us the Truth™!

Psalms 14:1
(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

This is sad but True™. The things you do are corrupted by your unbelief.

2) I do think a natural disaster is a random event. The fact that natural disasters happen because of natural events makes the concept ever more scary and foreboding. Myself living in a city with terrible history of earthquakes makes me the evermore sad for the lives that have been lost.

Now, this is circular reasoning. You claim that natural disasters happen because natural events happen and some of these events are natural, or something. I must say that Jesus makes more sense!

Judges 5:4
LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.

3) I would make a point here, but seeing as you somehow skipped your own third point I have nothing to say here.

Micah 3:7
Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.

4) That's right, there really is no difference between a human and say, a pig. Even though we have the ability to comprehend concepts, we really aren't that different from an animal.
A human and a pig are both creatures that feel the need for prolonged existence (i.e eating, drinking and reproducing) but our brains have evolved to think (which explains why we're not 'throwing feces at each other naked'), and with thinking comes emotion, and along with other emotions comes arrogance.
This arrogance has led you and many others to believe that other forms of life are inferior and only exist to serve you and your sense of prolonged existence.
To quote Jean-Paul Sartre;
'Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance.'

Of course there is reason to life, no matter what the existentialists say. This Life is a method of recruitment for either Heaven or Hell.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Of course animals and plants are here for our benefit! God promised us as much!

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

5) Refer to my first point. Throughout my life no-one has ever indoctrinated / pressured me into believing in Christian beliefs, but I have still grown up to be a good person. My point is that we draw morals from experience and our surroundings, not a book.

I also refer to point 1. By definition your acts are always abominable, because Jesus has told us so.

6) To an Atheist and even many rational Christians, we understand that the main point of an entity is to reproduce. But being human comes with the concept of pity, friendship and love. Just because I find that the universe is meaningless doesn't mean I would kill someone, I enjoy life as any other person would.

Please, be consistent. Is there a difference between a human and a pig or isn't there? There isn't you say but now there is...

Life is not to be enjoyed but to be spent in Worship in order to enter Life Eternal to gain the privilege of Eternal Worship with Jesus!

Matthew 10:39
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

I won't be arguing against the last 4 points as I am completely unreligious and those points do not apply to me.

Incidentally, your Deity, Mr. Darwin also could draw the line between men and animals.

They [regarding apes, see also 1 Kings 10:22] might insist that they were ready to aid their fellow-apes of the same troop in many ways, to risk their lives for them, and to take charge of their orphans; but they would be forced to acknowledge that disinterested love for all living creatures, the most noble attribute of man, was quite beyond their comprehension.

It seems that the Evolutionist Cult has deteriorated even deeper into the outskirts of the Bottomless Pit (Revelation 20:3) since the days of Mr. Darwin.

I'm now praying for your soul, Mr. Man.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Portugal. The Man]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq in 2002 and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

1) First of all, I do feel sympathy for other people, just because I'm an Atheist that doesn't mean I would feel no emotion if someone were to be hurt.


2) I do think a natural disaster is a random event. The fact that natural disasters happen because of natural events makes the concept ever more scary and foreboding. Myself living in a city with terrible history of earthquakes makes me the evermore sad for the lives that have been lost.


3) I would make a point here, but seeing as you somehow skipped your own third point I have nothing to say here.


4) That's right, there really is no difference between a human and say, a pig. Even though we have the ability to comprehend concepts, we really aren't that different from an animal.
A human and a pig are both creatures that feel the need for prolonged existence (i.e eating, drinking and reproducing) but our brains have evolved to think (which explains why we're not 'throwing feces at each other naked'), and with thinking comes emotion, and along with other emotions comes arrogance.
This arrogance has led you and many others to believe that other forms of life are inferior and only exist to serve you and your sense of prolonged existence.
To quote Jean-Paul Sartre;
'Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance.'


5) Refer to my first point. Throughout my life no-one has ever indoctrinated / pressured me into believing in Christian beliefs, but I have still grown up to be a good person. My point is that we draw morals from experience and our surroundings, not a book.


6) To an Atheist and even many rational Christians, we understand that the main point of an entity is to reproduce. But being human comes with the concept of pity, friendship and love. Just because I find that the universe is meaningless doesn't mean I would kill someone, I enjoy life as any other person would.

I won't be arguing against the last 4 points as I am completely unreligious and those points do not apply to me.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

We are simple.

I just quoted the most salient point of your post. Yes, you most certainly are simple.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

These don't "crush" atheism. You don' even understand atheism. Most of these are irrelevant anyway if not laughable. Atheists are no less merciful than anyone else. Why do you think we don't have pity? And Nazis aren't the same as atheists. They have ties to fundamentalism more than atheism. And natural disasters are just random events on a greater scale, but not to us humans who suffer under them and have to console each other in the midst of tragedy just like believers.

Why do you believers try to take the humanity out of those you attack with straw man logic? We do distinguish between animals and people since people are the highest animals on the planet. We are simple capable of more than dogs or pigs. You keep trying to oversimplify our views, but if you want to really understand atheism, you've got to do more than that and try to understand where we differ.
Please no hating or infractions for this reply .

I figure that's worth at least two more.

Demon.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

These don't "crush" atheism.

Wrong. Brother Bobby-Joe has flawlessly and logically crushed atheism under his heel. Can you not read?

You don' even understand atheism.

There's little to understand. You hate God and put your blind faith in the wild theories and conjectures of science and all other contrivances designed to deny God's Truth. God gives us perfect understanding of you worshipers of Satan. I know you will say you do not worship Satan, but when you turn your back on God, you are facing Satan.

2 Corinthians 6:14 (1611 King James Bible)


Be ye not vnequally yoked together with vnbeleeuers: for what fellowship hath righteousnesse with vnrighteousnesse? and what communion hath light with darknesse?

Unbelievers are our lessors, evil to our good, dark to our light.

Most of these are irrelevant anyway if not laughable.

No, that's not how it works. You can't just say things are irrelevant without providing an argument for why. Brother Bobby-Joe graciously took the time to eloquently state his case, so the least you can do is actually try to refute him. What you have done here is just lazy. Typical of atheists.

Atheists are no less merciful than anyone else. Why do you think we don't have pity?

God tells us differently, and so whom do you think we trust knows human nature better, you or God?

Romans Chapter 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

And Nazis aren't the same as atheists. They have ties to fundamentalism more than atheism.

Without Christ, all unbelievers are equally damned in the eyes of God. In the eyes of God and in those of the True Christian™ you are all the same, Nazis, Buddhists, Catholics, Methodists, Atheists, Serial Killers, mass murderers, M-theorists, Evolutionists, etc.

Mark 16:16 (1611 King James Bible)

He that beleeueth and is baptized, shalbe saued, but he that beleeueth not, shall be damned.

And natural disasters are just random events on a greater scale, but not to us humans who suffer under them and have to console each other in the midst of tragedy just like believers.

There are no such thing as "random events." Even an idiot like Einstein could see this. Everything is directed by God according to His plan.

Colossians 1:16 (1611 King James Bible)

For by him were all things created that are in heauen, and that are in earth, visible and inuisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

Why do you believers try to take the humanity out of those you attack with straw man logic? We do distinguish between animals and people since people are the highest animals on the planet. We are simple capable of more than dogs or pigs.

Haha...you say you distinguish between people and animals, yet you lower us to the level of beasts, although you say we are the pinnacle of beasts, that still would make us beasts nonetheless.

Man is not part of the animal kingdom. We alone have souls. We alone are accountable for sin. We alone are made in the image of God and have dominion over the beasts.

Genesis 1:26 (1611 King James Bible)

¶ And God said, Let vs make man in our Image, after our likenesse: and let them haue dominion ouer the fish of the sea, and ouer the foule of the aire, and ouer the cattell, and ouer all the earth, and ouer euery creeping thing that creepeth vpon the earth.

You keep trying to oversimplify our views, but if you want to really understand atheism, you've got to do more than that and try to understand where we differ.

We know exactly how we differ, you are condemned, we are saved. It's very simple. You turn your back on God and force Him to damn you to eternal torment.

John 3:18 (1611 King James Bible)

¶ He that beleeueth on him, is not condemned: but hee that beleeueth not, is condemned already, because hee hath not beleeued in the Name of the onely begotten Sonne of God.

Please no hating or infractions for this reply .

No hate, just guidance, my lost friend.

As far as infractions, this is in the loving hands of our wise Pastors and Elders.

[IreneS]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

One reason I hate atheists is that they're so bleeding stupid.

[GivenToSin]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

These don't "crush" atheism. You don' even understand atheism. Most of these are irrelevant anyway if not laughable. Atheists are no less merciful than anyone else. Why do you think we don't have pity? And Nazis aren't the same as atheists. They have ties to fundamentalism more than atheism. And natural disasters are just random events on a greater scale, but not to us humans who suffer under them and have to console each other in the midst of tragedy just like believers.

Why do you believers try to take the humanity out of those you attack with straw man logic? We do distinguish between animals and people since people are the highest animals on the planet. We are simple capable of more than dogs or pigs. You keep trying to oversimplify our views, but if you want to really understand atheism, you've got to do more than that and try to understand where we differ.
Please no hating or infractions for this reply .

[Basilissa]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

How are we supposed to take you seriously, when even the simple task of using vBulletin thwarts you?

Please take some time to familiarize yourself with how the forum software works before attempting to express yourself.

I was thinking the same thing, Brother. How am I supposed to properly rebuke this lost, confused soul, when I don't know when he's writing what he thinks and when he's citing a Godly opinion he disagrees with?

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

How are we supposed to take you seriously, when even the simple task of using vBulletin thwarts you?

Please take some time to familiarize yourself with how the forum software works before attempting to express yourself.

[ATHEIST_SCUM]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism
[list=a][*]If humans were intrinsically ethical that would mean they wouldn't be able to do wrong to others. Reality doesn't agree with you;

The reality is that most humans are ethical or they wouldn't have any friends and instead of having drinks with their mates Sunday afternoons at the pub they would have to go to church and pretend their imaginary friend likes them.
[*]To be ethical you would need to know everything another thinks and feels, as humans cannot read minds we cannot know if our actions will hurt others, so we cannot be ethical;

We're all doing the best we can that's all you can really ask.
[*]You claim this idea was invented by Noam Chomsky, some kid named after an intrinsically evil corporation from a made up science fiction book, there is no reason to believe anything this guy says, he could well (and is actually proven to) be lying;

Merely your opinion, and like assholes everyone has got one. Here is mine, Noam Chomsky is an accomplished and brilliant scientist and an awesome human being.



Now let us look at the facts:[list=a][*]God can read minds of all people at the same time, and so know what would hurt people;

God is a myth.
[*]The Holy Ghost actually lives inside each True Christian from the moment he accepts Jesus, so He can direct us as He wishes;

Bacteria live in our guts and aid in digestion but the Holy Ghost is a myth.
[*]God has also written the Bible to explain how people should live so we can verify that everything we do is ethically correct as per God's requirements;

Man wrote the bible and it isn't very interesting to read.
[*]People who have two independent sources of ethical knowledge can act ethically while those who don't accept Jesus or God cannot know what ethics are;

Ethics is based on empathy and even rats have been shown to have it. Mind reading would be better as you pointed out but empathy is all we've got. Religion is one of the ways leaders bypass empathy to convince christians that horrible things like burning people alive is doing good.
[*]True Christians behave ethically towards those who deserve to be treated so all the time;

Judge not lest ye be judged
[*]All non-christians commit evil acts beyond describing.

By that I assume you mean anal sex.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Well at first no there was only one basic type of atom then it changed and made more then they combined to make different types then EVENTUALY the particals made up the planets people and cars

So, atoms just somehow become other atoms and then go from disorder to order? Your grasp of God's laws of physics is staggering.

If you want to learn physics, begin with The Bible.

[Jason the drunk mick]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Oh, like how so-called "scientists" believe that a little ball of matter exploded billions of years ago and then all of the parts reassembled themselves in to planets and humans and cars?

Well at first no there was only one basic type of atom then it changed and made more then they combined to make different types then EVENTUALY the particals made up the planets people and cars