[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Is this thread supposed to be serious?

We are as serious as the fires of Hell, where you are heading at 200 mph at the moment.

[whaddupbible]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Is this thread supposed to be serious?

[secondtimesthecharm]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I respect that, and I dont mean to sound like a troll, I was just pointing somethings out. I apologize if I came across that way.

[Booboosbegone]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I believe #3 is supposed to be.

"Just cause you can't see it for yourselves doesn't mean it doesn't exist." Which is also a huge reason 'faith' exists. People need faith, whether it be through a deity or a spiritual sense of self. Not saying all forms of it are fantastic (scientology... ><)

However, listing it out as trollingbait is my issue here. It really doesn't show your maturity over the atheists.

and I do have to disagree. But moreso from an idea invented a long time ago. Karma. It may of just been innate in humans, but depending on environment karma comes up in one way or another. You're horrible to someone, they'll do bad things to you. You're nice to them MORE THAN LIKELY they'll be nice back. That's how ancient societies based their 'Morales' around rather than religion.

However when we all can unify under the same religion it makes it a lot easier then cause nobody can defy what's immoral and what's moral. Hence why 'melting pot' societies start to fail.

I see the points on both sides, I just choose to have faith that He will reward us for our 'karma'.

[secondtimesthecharm]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

While I respect your viewpoints, I do have some things for you to think about..
1) Atheists do have mercy for others, and comparing regular atheists to Nazis, Communists etc. is very extreme. Most communists actually do believe in a G-d and the Nazis were actually Catholics (a requirement to be a part of the Aryan Race).

2) Natural disasters may be the hand of G-d to spite the sinners, but then he has to move tectonic plates, create tidal forces, as well as burn the ground we live on in order to create the lava that supposedly comes from hell.

3) you skipped this, I guess this is a free-bee for me

4) Animals and Humans may be different in some ways however similar in others. Both of us have brains, skeletons, respiratory systems, reproductive systems, and digestive systems so based on our looks we are different (somewhat) but based on how our bodies work, we are slightly similar.

5) Standards of good and evil don't just come from the Bible, but also come from our conscience. That is our inner self telling us what is right and wrong. (Also, ancient Rome's religion was not based on an Atheist belief system but was actually a Polytheistic religion.)

6) This combines numbers 1 and 4. Conscience comes back into play here telling us what is right or wrong. Most Atheists are decent human beings and do not carve people like pigs (also very extreme) nor even steal a pack of gum from a grocery store. However, most Christians are also great people but there are some murderers, stealers, and rapists.

7) This is not something I can argue with you about. This is your belief and I respect that you believe this.

8) I think what you are trying to say here is that a false G-d can not exist within the universe, however nobody has shown a G-d who exists outside of our universe so it must not be true. I understand that, up until the point where it must not be true. Things that have not yet been discovered are not false, I'm positive there was something that happened in the biblical times that Jesus did that was not recorded, does this make it false that we don't know it existed or happened?

9) Most religions that existed before Christianity were Polytheistic but Judaism was not one of them. In fact, Judaism and Christianity share the same book (the Old Testament) and Christianity first stemmed off of Judaism. That being said, Atheism is nothing like Christianity (it is actually the complete opposite) meaning it is not a copy. I do not believe it is a mockery of Christianity but that is your opinion and you are free to believe that.

10) Judaism also believes in an infinite creator, G-d.

[Finland FTW]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

"#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed."

okay first of all, the people in rome was not atheists. thay belived in gods like Janus, Quirinus and saturn (just to name a few) before thay became christians.

second of all, as many people have tried to explained here there is no objective moral standard. it's created by the societys we live in, but i have seen that you have failed to understan/accept that so i will not go on about that.
insted i will just say that if (IF!!) there was an objective moral standard and it was created by your god i would not follow that standard even if he told me so himself. he thinks it's okay with slavery, he encurreg murder (and mass murder as well), he has persenally killed more then 200 000 people (thats just the number thats said in the bible and its without counting things like "everyone on earth exept noa and hes family") he has even endorsed a human sacrifice. i could go on but i think you get the point. the truth is that the god of the bible is the most imoral character i could ever think of and i have yet to find ONE good reason to worship him sence my moral standart, and all other people i have met standards and probebly even your moral standard, is way beond his.

i hope i haven't offended anyone, and please excuse my spelling

[A Follower]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

lol http://www.landoverbaptist.org/tos.html

read the bottom after you highlight it with your mouse/trackpad....I laugh at you

And http://whitehouse.org is the official White House website

Thanks for once again showing the stupidity if atheists, if it weren't for you guys exposing your own faults we'd hardly be able to show how wrong you are.

[Cursed]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

We don't click on links from unsaved trash, you pervert!

[Booger]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

lol http://www.landoverbaptist.org/tos.html

read the bottom after you highlight it with your mouse/trackpad....I laugh at you

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

And yet you can't say anything else up than to read the king james bible...i laugh at you...

KJV is only thing that is needed you nimrod. No need to be bitter, I just said you MAY persecure us as many times as you want for our beliefs.


Matthew 5:10-12 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

You are welcome, no need to thank me.

YiC,

Alphonse

[Booger]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Says the person who quotes wikipedia

You may make as blessed with your persecution as many times as you like.
Fact still remains, we True Christians™will go to heaven. Rest of you people will go to hell. You better pick up KJV and start reading scripture if you want to avoid the fires of hell. Jesus made you come here for a reason.

YiC,

Alphonse.

And yet you can't say anything else up than to read the king james bible...i laugh at you... oh one more thing....

What's with the spoiler alert at the bottom of the landoverbaptistchurch.org terms of service? Am I allowed to reveal that?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

sigh, you'll never learn

Says the person who quotes wikipedia

You may make as blessed with your persecution as many times as you like.
Fact still remains, we True Christians™will go to heaven. Rest of you people will go to hell. You better pick up KJV and start reading scripture if you want to avoid the fires of hell. Jesus made you come here for a reason.

YiC,

Alphonse.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

And speaking of this....um yes they are christians you mormon. Why don't you open up a dictionary and look it up? Does christian say only landover baptists? No it says people who believe in jesus as their savior...Du bist ein verdammter Trottel.

And why follow secular laws? I thought only the laws in the bible were important...shouldn't god's word overpower man's? Yet you still won't kill people who work on a sunday nor will you torture your child for acting out...what about slavery? How come you guys aren't taking slaves?

You guy's are a pathetic excuse for a christian sect...all you do is contradict yourselves. Good job.

There you go talking about things which you know nothing about.

Romans 13:1
1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

[Booger]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Catlicks are NOT Christians!
Everyone who does not follow every word of the KJV 1611 are not Christians.
Of course secular law for now sets few limits, but time will come.

And speaking of this....um yes they are christians you mormon. Why don't you open up a dictionary and look it up? Does christian say only landover baptists? No it says people who believe in jesus as their savior...Du bist ein verdammter Trottel.

And why follow secular laws? I thought only the laws in the bible were important...shouldn't god's word overpower man's? Yet you still won't kill people who work on a sunday nor will you torture your child for acting out...what about slavery? How come you guys aren't taking slaves?

You guy's are a pathetic excuse for a christian sect...all you do is contradict yourselves. Good job.

[Booger]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Catlicks are NOT Christians!
Everyone who does not follow every word of the KJV 1611 are not Christians.
Of course secular law for now sets few limits, but time will come.

There was nothing contradictory there. He was talking about some Crazy Old Man. No idea who that might be, but certainly some crazy person has nothing to do with this thread.

Even Injuns admitted that they had pre-stolen the land. When they realized the superiority of God, they voluntarily gave the land back and went to reservations to fade away. Noble heathens.

Um no as you can see i put a posting of YOUR crazy old man, so Beyondtheomega was right and you are wrong.
Now for the native americans...um didn't they attack and fight our armies? Uh yes they did. Also the voluntarily you speak of was actually laws that the the colonies set against them...so that's not voluntary that's reluctantly...jesus how can you comment on something you know nothing about.
Here's a quote from wikipedia:

"In the 19th century, the incessant westward expansion of the United States incrementally compelled large numbers of Native Americans to resettle further west, often by force, almost always reluctantly. Native Americans believed this forced relocation illegal, given the Hopewell Treaty of 1785. Under President Andrew Jackson, United States Congress passed the Indian Removal Act of 1830, which authorized the President to conduct treaties to exchange Native American land east of the Mississippi River for lands west of the river. As many as 100,000 Native Americans relocated to the West as a result of this Indian Removal policy. In theory, relocation was supposed to be voluntary and many Native Americans did remain in the East. In practice, great pressure was put on Native American leaders to sign removal treaties."

sigh, you'll never learn