[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I removed your bolding because it looked like you were yelling at me and that made me sad. I don't know why anyone would come to God's favorite forum to yell at Christians.

There were many cruel leaders in history and the majority were not Atheists, also The Spanish Inquisition were not atheists, many of the Nazi's weren't atheists but followed pagan practices. Cruelty and callousness is rather a quality of political figures who strive for power and fame than it is definitive of Atheists.

The Spanish Inquisition were Catholic so your point is that Catholics are worse than atheists? It seems to me there's an equal amount of depravity on both sides there what with the Catholic priests and their boys and atheists and their animals.

Understanding of natural disasters has nothing to do with pity- clarifying the connection is necessary here. Also as stated before on natural disasters- most Atheists do not find these occurrences random.

That's because God creates in you at conception a divine soul with which He draws you, woos you to Him. You know these aren't random occurrences because your soul cries out to the LORD of Lords and hears the whisper of the Holy Spirit that comforts you.

Atheists may feel pity, after all they also function on a set of values and morality (whether it be the same as yours or absolutely opposite) they can and may feel pity. Whether that is due to sociological or philosophical introspection is where it gets interesting. I would be interested to hear what you think of TRUE CHRISTIANS who only follow the word of god out of fear. Do you think they have felt with their whole virtue and with honesty the word of God? Or are they simply cowards?

Fear of the LORD is a command and a privilege. Atheists feel pity like the Catholics feel pity, you said so yourself that they are essentially the same. The Catholic only feels pity when the priest is caught and can no longer fondle boys and young men.

Atheism is the belief that no deity of ANY kind whether in or outside of the universe exists.

Your beliefs take so much faith, brother, faith in foolishness and selfishness.

Obviously Atheists don't have an infinite creator God. Atheists have no god.

Friend, that is not true! You DO have an infinite creator God! A God of Pure Love who would Die on the CROSS to pay the price for your deviant sins! Only a God of Pure Love could think of atheists or Catholics without having to choke back a little throw-up. Only a God of Pure Love who Loves and Respects you enough to give you Free Will could send you to the pits of the Lake of Everlasting Fire for your wicked denial of His existence. He does this because He LOVES YOU and deep in your soul...You Know This.

Pray, brother, confess your disgusting sins and confess Jesus is LORD and SAVIOR over you and you too can sing His glories for EVER and EVER and EVER without EVER GETTING TO STOP!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

[Freind,

Keep in mind I am not a master debater like Wash O'Hannly. So it goes without saying my presentation isn't as polished as Walsh, but who is?

and thank you for your reply

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

There were many cruel leaders in history and the majority were not Atheists, also The Spanish Inquisition were not atheists, many of the Nazi's weren't atheists but followed pagan practices. Cruelty and callousness is rather a quality of political figures who strive for power and fame than it is definitive of Atheists.

You complain about me not understand what Atheism friend and post this? By definition atheism "against gods". Since some one not for Christ they are against Him. That makes them Atheists.

Please show a TRUE Christian™ leader who has behaved with cruelty. I bet you can't

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

Understanding of natural disasters has nothing to do with pity- clarifying the connection is necessary here. Also as stated before on natural disasters- most Atheists do not find these occurrences random.

I believe you misunderstood my point friend. To a Christian a natural disaster is an act of love of God towards humanity. To an atheist, things just happen.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

There has been enough said on this thread against this point. Again argumentation is counter productive whether by evolution or by the creation of God all human beings who have reason see the intellectual superiority of Humans above animals. If you value the human being above all other life on earth you by extension see animals as tools to be used as you see fit. The argument on evolution (in terms of CRUSHING atheism) needs to use scientific data. For instance by the laws of evolution we are 98% similiar to Apes- so why is it a human being can only have a heart transplant from a pig? In terms of evolutionary science at this point- it doesn't make sense. It is an argument for divine creation.

Again missing to the point; if we are animals, why not behave like animals and attack each other and throw shit around? It's something we all want to do anyway.

It's like gay marriage. Who is going to marry a woman if we are allowed to marry other men?

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

Ancient Rome was not Athiest- Romans had there own gods. Atheists have no god/gods. Neither do Christians have objective standards of good an evil, they are subjective to God and we must follow that subjective choice. The rest of the post is beginning to indicate your work is a joke. This is not an argument against atheism rather a statement of why it is unfortunate to be born or choose to become an atheist.

I would think standards of morality are a critical point. Even an atheist would accept we need right and worng for society to work. Now without God how do you know when it's morally right to invade Mexico, kill all the men, rape all the woman and take all their gold?

If we didn't have God that would just be an act of savage brutality.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

Getting interesting here, finally a point that raises wide philosophical ethical debate. However your poor argumentation (again) leads one to think you yourself do not understand the point's significance. Atheists may feel pity, after all they also function on a set of values and morality (whether it be the same as yours or absolutely opposite) they can and may feel pity. Whether that is due to sociological or philosophical introspection is where it gets interesting. I would be interested to hear what you think of TRUE CHRISTIANS who only follow the word of god out of fear. Do you think they have felt with their whole virtue and with honesty the word of God? Or are they simply cowards?

Were do you get we follow God out of fear? We love God with all the sincerity God deserves.

Put it another way, God created us so it is our nature to love Him out of our free will.

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

No it wasn't CHRISTIAN they may have believed in God but not it Jesus Christ as he was not yet born and the New Testament was not written. You are right though it wasn't Atheist because ATHEISTS DONT BELIEVE IN DEITIES OF ANY KIND.

Friend, everyone, even atheists know Jesus is God as 1/3 of the Trinity. Jesus has always existed.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

Atheists have no intention of such a demonstration because for them the problem doesn't exist. For the 3rd time- Atheism is the belief that no deity of ANY kind whether in or outside of the universe exists.

I hope it is not cowardace on Atheism part it refused to demonstrate an extra-cosmos diety.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

Even if it were a mockery of Christianity that makes no difference to the theoretical nature of Atheism. If you wish to use the temporal historical context as a form of logical argumentation you will be forced into admitting that Christianity is younger than Judaism thus a copy of Judaism etc. Using such argumentation is against your own intentions.

Again, Jesus is 1/3 of the Trinity and predates the creation of the world 6,000 years go.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

-Obviously Atheists don't have an infinite creator God. Atheists have no god. That may be a twisted argument against other religions but it certainly doesn't CRUSH or DESTROY atheism. Furthermore it isn't valid, read first post.

Oh, then explain the deification of Hitchen then if Atheism is a 100% god free.

[AVRafaelovna]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

There were many cruel leaders in history and the majority were not Atheists, also The Spanish Inquisition were not atheists, many of the Nazi's weren't atheists but followed pagan practices. Cruelty and callousness is rather a quality of political figures who strive for power and fame than it is definitive of Atheists.



#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

Understanding of natural disasters has nothing to do with pity- clarifying the connection is necessary here. Also as stated before on natural disasters- most Atheists do not find these occurrences random.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

There has been enough said on this thread against this point. Again argumentation is counter productive whether by evolution or by the creation of God all human beings who have reason see the intellectual superiority of Humans above animals. If you value the human being above all other life on earth you by extension see animals as tools to be used as you see fit. The argument on evolution (in terms of CRUSHING atheism) needs to use scientific data. For instance by the laws of evolution we are 98% similiar to Apes- so why is it a human being can only have a heart transplant from a pig? In terms of evolutionary science at this point- it doesn't make sense. It is an argument for divine creation.


#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

Ancient Rome was not Athiest- Romans had there own gods. Atheists have no god/gods. Neither do Christians have objective standards of good an evil, they are subjective to God and we must follow that subjective choice. The rest of the post is beginning to indicate your work is a joke. This is not an argument against atheism rather a statement of why it is unfortunate to be born or choose to become an atheist.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

Getting interesting here, finally a point that raises wide philosophical ethical debate. However your poor argumentation (again) leads one to think you yourself do not understand the point's significance. Atheists may feel pity, after all they also function on a set of values and morality (whether it be the same as yours or absolutely opposite) they can and may feel pity. Whether that is due to sociological or philosophical introspection is where it gets interesting. I would be interested to hear what you think of TRUE CHRISTIANS who only follow the word of god out of fear. Do you think they have felt with their whole virtue and with honesty the word of God? Or are they simply cowards?


#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

No it wasn't CHRISTIAN they may have believed in God but not it Jesus Christ as he was not yet born and the New Testament was not written. You are right though it wasn't Atheist because ATHEISTS DONT BELIEVE IN DEITIES OF ANY KIND.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

Atheists have no intention of such a demonstration because for them the problem doesn't exist. For the 3rd time- Atheism is the belief that no deity of ANY kind whether in or outside of the universe exists.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

Even if it were a mockery of Christianity that makes no difference to the theoretical nature of Atheism. If you wish to use the temporal historical context as a form of logical argumentation you will be forced into admitting that Christianity is younger than Judaism thus a copy of Judaism etc. Using such argumentation is against your own intentions.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

-Obviously Atheists don't have an infinite creator God. Atheists have no god. That may be a twisted argument against other religions but it certainly doesn't CRUSH or DESTROY atheism. Furthermore it isn't valid, read first post.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Well to start with, the Inquisitions, including the Spanish Inquistions, were instigated and run by, guess what, Christians. Catholics were Christians long before you lot.

Factually incorrect. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't even tell the difference between Christians and idolators?

There are fanatics and nut-cases in every religion and a lot of good people too.

Define a "good person".

From a biological viewpoint we are all just animals.

So you admit that Bobby-Joe's characterisation of your viewpoint is 1000% correct.

The rest of your rambling is just that. By the way some people do choose to run about naked and some truly mad uninhibited people do often throw their faeces around. As for not eating each other that is more of a moral choice and people did eat each other a long time ago.

Yes, we know! These people are called "atheists".

Finally animals are not here on this planet to treat any way we see fit. Is it OK then by your standard to torture and mistreat other creatures? There is nothing wrong with eating the flesh of other animals, but while they are alive they should be treated with respect and care. When the time comes, slaughtering should be done quickly and humanely and with the least amount of suffering possible to the animal, preferably none.

What moral standard are you basing this on? Is it OK to kill other living beings for your pleasure or isn't it?

You keep digging up old and ancient beliefs to compare with your modern "moral" beliefs. Most societies in history believed that might was right and that their ways were the right ways.

And that proves that we cannot rely on secular morality, but only on God's Law.

The US wanted nothing to do with the war in Europe in 1939 when Hitler's armies invaded neighbouring countries. That's right those evil Nazi atheists. It didn't directly affect the US so most of its citizens didn't care. Calls for help from Great Britain, the ally of the US, were repeatedly turned down. It wasn't until Germany's ally Japan bombed Pearl Harbor that America got its hackles up and sent help in any numbers that would help. Thank God you eventually came and saved Australia from those evil Japanese Atheists too.

Oh boo hoo, some Eurotrash Joos got killed and no-one cared. Cry me a river.

Do we really need to bring up Iraq? Who was it that helped Saddam Hussein take power in Iraq in the first place? I think you might find it was the US. It helped "liberate Iraq from the previous regime because it suited the US at the time. So don't give me morally superior.

God chose King Saul to be King over Israel. Then He repented of it (1 Samuel 15:11). I see no reason why the US can't do the same thing.

Carving up a person would be nothing like cutting up a pig.

From a biological viewpoint we are all just animals.

Make up your mind. Are we just animals or aren't we?

You really do have problems with the meaning of words don't you?

A Christian is by defintion someone who adheres to Christianity which is an Abrahamic (those Jews again) religion that is based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. The word "Christian" is derived from the Greek word "Christ" which is a translation of the word "Messiah" (oops those pesky Jews again). Christian believe that there is hope of salvation by following Jesus' message and because of his sacrifice on the cross. But then as a Christian, you should know that.

Let's make a wild assumption for the sake of this discussion that God and Jesus the Christ existed. You can argue that God has always been God no matter what he was called throughout history but logic decrees that Christianity can only have been around since Jesus' death and resurrection. Since it is pretty much accepted that Jesus would have been crucified and died around the year 30 AD, or 30 CE, whatever your preference, Christianity can only have been around about 2000 years.

So the past before the Christian Era was filled with Atheists, Pagans, Druids, various Native Americans, ancient aborigine peoples of many kinds, but definitely no Christians and no Muslims because by defition they could not have existed.

You're using secular definitions. Using secular definitions, you can make Christianity sound immoral and libertarian communism sound sensible, so we'll have none of your twisted definitions here. A Christian is a follower of the One True God, and so we've been around as long as people have worshipped God; Catholics, atheists, and Muslims are just names for different branches of Satan-worshippers.

Can even show me any kind of a god that exists within this universe even a false one?

Yes, all the false gods. Go back and read Bobby-Joe's post again.

You might not like it but at least the Islamic Qur'an or Koran is consistent in its writings unlike the Bible.

Nonsense. Which Koran? Are we including the Suras here?

You people are scary and Jesus would be horrified with you've done to his ideals. Shocled that I might believe that Jesus existed? I have no problem with his existence as a man just as the son of a god of some kind.

What evidence do you base your belief in Jesus on?

Oh talk about "pride going before a fall". Your belief in your absolute moral superiority is astounding. I just thought you were a bit sad and deluded but your are completely bonkers. If the Christian US had its way, it would still have a thriving economy instead of owing about $60,000,000,000,000.

So you admit that Christians are superior at economics? Well, that's a start.

"#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit."


This is a little backwards. Because Atheists recognize that all animals evolved, they are also able to recognize that each species has its own specific social order.
Our social order does not accept behavior like that, so we refrain.

So if you lived in a different social order, you'd have no problem with running around killing people and throwing your faeces at them? Do you have any problem with any aspects of Islamic fundamentalism?

I have a simple question - how do these 9 points 'CRUSH' Atheism.

With excellent Christian logic, that's how.
Anyway, I am called away on THE LORD's business now, but I shall be back to demolish your other nonsensical points shortly.

[AVRafaelovna]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

To Mr. Jack O'fagan, perhaps I should have used a less diplomatic approach- the 4 points in my post seem quite clearly demonstrated but I shall summarise them in the form preferable to you.

1. The 9 voids are void. There is no consistent aim or argumentation behind them.

2. I try to establish that too often is word atheist misused.

3. This refers to both point 1, the latter half of 4, 5 and 6. Which could have been summarised by the author into 2 points. They are statements with no argumentation. They demand further study.

4. The author should study to improve, as his work right now is disgracefully superficial and unintelligent (is this a hoax?) I included some advice on how to do this.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

These atheists surely bang on an awful lot trying to shore up their failed non-belief system. Did anyone manage to bring themselves to read it all?

As usual they have no answer to God's word other than to erroneously claim it was made up by people. That, in reality, is the sole foundation of their theory and the rest is flim flam that sounds clever until you realise they can't actually be right.
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[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I have a simple question - how do these 9 points 'CRUSH' Atheism. What is the purpose of this post? The last sentence implies a call for a discussion, but why call for a discussion if you do not wish for one to more forward. I am angry with both those for and against the 9 points because all of your arguments a weak.

My contribution is such- everyone both for and against the 9 points please take a dictionary and look up the word atheism. STOP using it to mean - ' those who do not believe in your god/ have pagan beliefes/ follow less 'popular' deities'.

On all points concerned with an atheists moral compass. Read Nietzsche. And if you wish to reply spare me the use of any quote from Zarathusta's prologue. That would be beyond laughable.Not wikipedia him but actually read. This may actually help you to write better arguments on the subject.

On point 10. Well Siberian Shamanism is an example of such a religion. The infinite creator was named sila. The Siberian Shamans were discovered at the beginning of the 20th century and assimilated into the orthodox community with great ease.

My advice to the author of the 9 points is before running around with lists presented falsely as arguments against atheism- do your research. Read widely on history,philosophy,science and obviously theology. Perhaps do a theology degree.

You make great claims but cannot back them. If you think they are so obvious that they do not need proper argumentation what are you doing preaching on the internet? Seriously, if you do not want to improve your argumentation skills constructively then I can tell you this:

It is not your god given virtue to preach. You have neither the intellect nor the discipline to make a good teacher.

If however you feel you can and want to improve I am sorry- I wish you luck and hope to read a new and improved 9 points. Or maybe an excellent 4 or 5. Ignorance of your shortcoming would be only the manifestation of pride. Pride as we all here know is a sin.

A good way for you to assess your points would be to ask yourself - " is this a good enough piece of writing to show god as a representation of my beliefs?"
If the answer truthfully is no you know you've got more work to do.

It's amazing how somebody can use so many words to say nothing.

[AVRafaelovna]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I have a simple question - how do these 9 points 'CRUSH' Atheism. What is the purpose of this post? The last sentence implies a call for a discussion, but why call for a discussion if you do not wish for one to more forward. I am angry with both those for and against the 9 points because all of your arguments a weak.

My contribution is such- everyone both for and against the 9 points please take a dictionary and look up the word atheism. STOP using it to mean - ' those who do not believe in your god/ have pagan beliefes/ follow less 'popular' deities'.

On all points concerned with an atheists moral compass. Read Nietzsche. And if you wish to reply spare me the use of any quote from Zarathusta's prologue. That would be beyond laughable.Not wikipedia him but actually read. This may actually help you to write better arguments on the subject.

On point 10. Well Siberian Shamanism is an example of such a religion. The infinite creator was named sila. The Siberian Shamans were discovered at the beginning of the 20th century and assimilated into the orthodox community with great ease.

My advice to the author of the 9 points is before running around with lists presented falsely as arguments against atheism- do your research. Read widely on history,philosophy,science and obviously theology. Perhaps do a theology degree.

You make great claims but cannot back them. If you think they are so obvious that they do not need proper argumentation what are you doing preaching on the internet? Seriously, if you do not want to improve your argumentation skills constructively then I can tell you this:

It is not your god given virtue to preach. You have neither the intellect nor the discipline to make a good teacher.

If however you feel you can and want to improve I am sorry- I wish you luck and hope to read a new and improved 9 points. Or maybe an excellent 4 or 5. Ignorance of your shortcoming would be only the manifestation of pride. Pride as we all here know is a sin.

A good way for you to assess your points would be to ask yourself - " is this a good enough piece of writing to show god as a representation of my beliefs?"
If the answer truthfully is no you know you've got more work to do.

[Zechariah Smyth]

The spanish inquisition was set into place by CHRISTIANS.
By the way, you forgot the number three...

BALONEY.

It was done by child-molesting catlicks. They are NOT Christians by any definition of the word.

Yours in Christ (NOT MARY),

Z. Smyth
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[Psybird]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The spanish inquisition was set into place by CHRISTIANS.
By the way, you forgot the number three...

[sunfordays]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

"#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit."


This is a little backwards. Because Atheists recognize that all animals evolved, they are also able to recognize that each species has its own specific social order.
Our social order does not accept behavior like that, so we refrain.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Yes you really are a bit sad and more than a little disturbed. Petulance? Really? Pot calling the kettle black here I think. Did you know that the first Christians were called Atheists because they denied the existence of the Roman gods?

That's because the Romans were atheits themselves and were projecting!

Again very bizarre reasoning and they are Christians as much as you try to deny it and what does that have to do with anything Atheists say?[/FONT]

That is my point. What does the differance between Catholics and Christians have anything to do with the behavior of Atheists? You started this.

Only if one concedes someone has an eternal life which he doesn't. Too bad about the guy's physical life being cut short. If it turns out you're right one day, good for you..[/FONT]

Show me a signel TRUE Christian™ has died.

Double dog dare you.

You need to make a point first other than you don't know what whole number comes between 2 and 4.
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Admit you, have no counter arguement to point number Three! Jesus wins again!

Oh yes, I see lots of people like you throwing big piles ot it around in here.

Hurtful.

Oh talk about "pride going before a fall". Your belief in your absolute moral superiority is astounding. I just thought you were a bit sad and deluded but your are completely bonkers. If the Christian US had its way, it would still have a thriving economy instead of owing about $60,000,000,000,000.[/SIZE]

You mean would have $60T of blood money SUCKED from the screaming bodies of Americas Producers to enable the Statist Looters.

You seem to think a god exists. I believe it does not. Don't presume to tell me what I know.[/FONT]

No, you refuse to admit God exists.

Look, every time you hurt yourself or you get upset you say "God damn it", "Jesus Christ" or the like. Right? That proves you really belive God exists or why would say that?

I'm extremely open-minded about listening to what people say. I then make a judgement about whether or not I choose to believe it and that is my right as it is yours. You don't listen.[/FONT]

If you were willing to accept the existence of God for the sake of the argument I think we would both agree God is the superior source of information. After all, look at the love and compassion God shows threw out The Bible.

Really? I think you should do some reading. According to Catholic Doctrine, the Roman Catholic Church was begun by Jesus at the confession of Peter. It teaches that the Pentecost (that's the Holy Spirit entering the Apostles in case you wondered) signalled the beginning of the public ministry of the Church. I think Peter was there in the 1st Century with Jesus the man, not the 4th. The first Council of Nicaea was an attempt to gain concensus among the various Christian faiths. It was the the first ecumenical council of the church but the church itself existed long before that.
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Are you a Catholic or an Atheist to be carrying their water? The Catholics pretend they were around since Peter but that's absurd since Christian Orthodoxy only was started 300 years later. You are aware that even the Pope didn't even start asserting "Papal supremacy" until the 6th Century?

Again you know nothing of what Atheists or I know and only have insults to fall back on. I have no idea what sex with an ass might be like. Do you? I think your wife might though. Damn now I've sunk to your level.

No TRUE Christian™ would ever have ass sex.

I think you'll find the Torah says differently.[/FONT]

Well it's not The Bible.

It's a theory. D'oh. We don't know for sure but one day we'll figure it out.

Or make it up in some Chines fossil factory.

Astounding! There may be only one truth but it might not be yours or whatever you think your God's truth is. Again if you're right, good for you, and oh dear sad for me. Feel better now?.

Every day Jesus embraces me.

Indeed it does. Watch your step on the way down and have a good day.

[/quote] thank you friend.

[1SaneVoice]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Atheists always let themselves get bogged down in the petulant details friend. It's all about your little rules like "logic". Really sad when you consider it.

Yes you really are a bit sad and more than a little disturbed. Petulance? Really? Pot calling the kettle black here I think. Did you know that the first Christians were called Atheists because they denied the existence of the Roman gods?

Catholics aren't Christians. And how does that excuse Atheist behavior? Two wrongs do not make a right.

Again very bizarre reasoning and they are Christians as much as you try to deny it and what does that have to do with anything Atheists say?

No TRUE Christian has EVER died in a disaster.

Only if one concedes someone has an eternal life which he doesn't. Too bad about the guy's physical life being cut short. If it turns out you're right one day, good for you..

That should tell you something friend.
I think you should answer my point here friend.

You need to make a point first other than you don't know what whole number comes between 2 and 4.

You evaded my point friend. If we were really animals we would be throwing shit around all the time. Do you see anyone throwing shit here friend?

[QUOTE]Oh yes, I see lots of people like you throwing big piles ot it around in here.

My point still stands.

Which one? The point you didn't make or some vaguery about animals spending their entire lives throwing their poo around?

That is entirely my whole point here. Only Christians have the morality to raise up a dictator and know when to depose him. If the Atheists in Russia had there way Saddam would still be dictator.

Oh talk about "pride going before a fall". Your belief in your absolute moral superiority is astounding. I just thought you were a bit sad and deluded but your are completely bonkers. If the Christian US had its way, it would still have a thriving economy instead of owing about $60,000,000,000,000.

Then were would we be?
Trust me when I says we TRUE Christians know how Atheists think all to well.

Actually you have no clue.

Jesus tells me what words mean friend. Please show me an ancient culture that embraced atheism.

Yep a lot of people hear voices telling them lots of weird stuff. I guess you've proved that.

Friend, we both know God exists because He has written the proof with letters of pure gold on our hearts of hearts, as The Bible says.

You seem to think a god exists. I believe it does not. Don't presume to tell me what I know.

Maybe you should be more open minded friend?

I'm extremely open-minded about listening to what people say. I then make a judgement about whether or not I choose to believe it and that is my right as it is yours. You don't listen.

You really need to read the history of Christianity before daring to make uninformed statements like that. By definition Catholicism can only date from the Council of Nicaea in 4th Century AD since that's when the official creed was set.

Really? I think you should do some reading. According to Catholic Doctrine, the Roman Catholic Church was begun by Jesus at the confession of Peter. It teaches that the Pentecost (that's the Holy Spirit entering the Apostles in case you wondered) signalled the beginning of the public ministry of the Church. I think Peter was there in the 1st Century with Jesus the man, not the 4th. The first Council of Nicaea was an attempt to gain concensus among the various Christian faiths. It was the the first ecumenical council of the church but the church itself existed long before that.

Yes, it means Atheists know God really exists but lie about it because they enjoy ass sex.

Again you know nothing of what Atheists or I know and only have insults to fall back on. I have no idea what sex with an ass might be like. Do you? I think your wife might though. Damn now I've sunk to your level.

The Jews also know Jesus is the Son of God but refuse to admit it because they are stiff necked.

I think you'll find the Torah says differently.

Logically friend, why would God's facts be the same as the world's facts. Take your Big Bang theory, even the physicists admit their laws break down in the singularity. God's logic is not logical because God transcends our universe.

It's a theory. D'oh. We don't know for sure but one day we'll figure it out.

Logically, how can they be. There can only be one truth and everyone else is wrong.

Astounding! There may be only one truth but it might not be yours or whatever you think your God's truth is. Again if you're right, good for you, and oh dear sad for me. Feel better now?.

"pride goeth before the fall" friend

Indeed it does. Watch your step on the way down and have a good day.

[Bob4God]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The above post lacks scriptural evidence, don't bother to read it.

Well I'm sure the poor lost soul has never even picked up a Bible.

If he had, he would know that JESUS commands:

If ye love me, keep my commandments. - John 14:15

Obviously, he does not love JESUS, because he hates Him.

[Brother Th. Cartman]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I am talking about the atheist demon, of course.