[Brother Th. Cartman]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The above post lacks scriptural evidence, don't bother to read it.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The original poster made 10 points (well actually 9 points). Each point required an answer. ie 9 answers. I saw nothing about a summary.

1. I'm not even sure how to respond to someone who thinks he has the right to trademark the term "True Christian".

You do realize Atheists go around the internet pretending to be Christians just to mock us. Of course we trade marked the name.

2. I'm not a "God-hater". Why would I bother to hate something I don't believe in? Hate is a powerful emotion that requires a lot of effort to do well. I don't waste my efforts on things that don't deserve it. I also do not hate "Jesus the Christ" for the same reason and I never knew Jesus the man so why would I hate him?

Consider this logically

• You don't know if Jesus exists
• Jesus demands you love Him
• You have no reason to not love Him

Conclusion you refuse to love Him because you hate him.

[1SaneVoice]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The original poster made 10 points (well actually 9 points). Each point required an answer. ie 9 answers. I saw nothing about a summary.

1. I'm not even sure how to respond to someone who thinks he has the right to trademark the term "True Christian".

2. I'm not a "God-hater". Why would I bother to hate something I don't believe in? Hate is a powerful emotion that requires a lot of effort to do well. I don't waste my efforts on things that don't deserve it. I also do not hate "Jesus the Christ" for the same reason and I never knew Jesus the man so why would I hate him?

3. If only I were living a life of "sin". That would be something worth my efforts.

4. I was doing a Google search for something and the results led me here. I guess "Jesus" wanted me to have a good laugh to lighten my morning.

Have a nice day.

[Bobby-Joe]

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OK Should I even mention there are not 10 points here or is the the 10th point that you can't count? Oh wait too late, I mentioned it.

Atheists always let themselves get bogged down in the petulant details friend. It's all about your little rules like "logic". Really sad when you consider it.

Well to start with, the Inquisitions, including the Spanish Inquistions, were instigated and run by, guess what, Christians. Catholics

Catholics aren't Christians. And how does that excuse Atheist behavior? Two wrongs do not make a right.

What about all of the good "Christians" who die in natural disasters? I have pity for them too and all of their families and friends who have lost loved ones. You are the one who seems to show very little pity for people simply because they don't share your thinking.

No TRUE Christian has EVER died in a disaster.

That should tell you something friend.

I think there should have been a point #3 here.

I think you should answer my point here friend.

The rest of your rambling is just that. By the way some people do choose to run about naked and some truly mad uninhibited people do often throw their faeces around. As for not eating each other that is more of a moral choice and people did eat each other a long time ago.

You evaded my point friend. If we were really animals we would be throwing shit around all the time. Do you see anyone throwing shit here friend?

My point still stands.

Do we really need to bring up Iraq? Who was it that helped Saddam Hussein take power in Iraq in the first place? I think you might find it was the US. It helped "liberate Iraq from the previous regime because it suited the US at the time. So don't give me morally superior.

That is entirely my whole point here. Only Christians have the morality to raise up a dictator and know when to depose him. If the Atheists in Russia had there way Saddam would still be dictator.

Then were would we be?

Besides you know nothing of my philosophy. Carving up a person would be nothing like cutting up a pig. You seem to be under some delusion that all Atheists are cannibals.

Trust me when I says we TRUE Christians know how Atheists think all to well.

You really do have problems with the meaning of words don't you?

Jesus tells me what words mean friend.

So the past before the Christian Era was filled with Atheists, Pagans, Druids, various Native Americans, ancient aborigine peoples of many kinds, but definitely no Christians and no Muslims because by defition they could not have existed.

Please show me an ancient culture that embraced atheism.

That is one of the most inane and ridiculous statements I have ever heard. I can't show you a god that exists outside of the universe for a couple of reasons. There are no gods and I can't show you anything that exists outside of the universe or at least this universe. Maybe you could show me something that exists outside of the universe but I'm thinking it very unlikely. Can even show me any kind of a god that exists within this universe even a false one?

Friend, we both know God exists because He has written the proof with letters of pure gold on our hearts of hearts, as The Bible says.

Maybe you should be more open minded friend?

As mentioned in answer #1 by your reasoning your lot are a knock-off of Catholicism ,..

You really need to read the history of Christianity before daring to make uninformed statements like that. By definition Catholicism can only date from the Council of Nicaea in 4th Century AD since that's when the official creed was set.

Well d'uh, by definition Atheists don't believe in a god. Have you no idea what words actually mean?

Yes, it means Atheists know God really exists but lie about it because they enjoy ass sex.

Guess what, Jews were around a while before Christians and they believe in the same god that you do; The God who created the world. Jews don't believe as Christians do that Jesus was the son of God but was simply a man. They even have The Old Testament. Isn't it ironic that you Christians hold so dear the writings of ancient Jews? Protestants (you) accept the 39 books that make up the Rabbinic Canon while Catholics (yep them) and some other Christian religions recognise many more derived from the Septuagint.

The Jews also know Jesus is the Son of God but refuse to admit it because they are stiff necked.

I have seen many times that this forum is not for debate but for presentation of facts. These are your "facts" not the facts that are available to those of us living in the real world.

Logically friend, why would God's facts be the same as the world's facts. Take your Big Bang theory, even the physicists admit their laws break down in the singularity. God's logic is not logical because God transcends our universe.

Your bigotry refuses to allow you to accept that other religions might be as valid as yours

Logically, how can they be. There can only be one truth and everyone else is wrong.

I bet you're surprised that an evil Atheist like me might actually know something about the Bible and religion. I was brought up a Christian but came to my senses just in time.

"pride goeth before the fall" friend

[Brother Harold Porter]

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Yak, yak yak..

My friend, as a True Christian™, I am a busy man and haven't the time for the inane twaddle of yet another God-hater. But if you could perhaps summarize your position into a short paragraph of why you hate Jesus Christ and prefer a life of sin and the punishment awaiting you, we can have a conversation.

You know Jesus brought you here for a reason? Let's make the most of it.

In Christ

[1SaneVoice]

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The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

OK Should I even mention there are not 10 points here or is the the 10th point that you can't count? Oh wait too late, I mentioned it.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

Well to start with, the Inquisitions, including the Spanish Inquistions, were instigated and run by, guess what, Christians. Catholics were Christians long before you lot. See point #9. I think you just argued with yourself there. By your reasoning your lot are a knock-off of Catholicism and therefore a mockery and morally inferior.

I'm an Atheist (yeah sure I'm going to burn) and I have a lot of pity for the deplorable things that happen to people for many reasons including in the name of so-called religions. People twist religion to their own beliefs so in their minds anything can be justified. There are fanatics and nut-cases in every religion and a lot of good people too.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

Again we lack pity for people suffering. Natural disasters are not random events. Storms are caused by atmospheric and ground conditions being just a certain way. Earthquakes are caused by pressures building up within the Earth and plates moving.

What about all of the good "Christians" who die in natural disasters? I have pity for them too and all of their families and friends who have lost loved ones. You are the one who seems to show very little pity for people simply because they don't share your thinking.

I think there should have been a point #3 here.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

From a biological viewpoint we are all just animals. All of the animals on Earth today evolved from something.

The rest of your rambling is just that. By the way some people do choose to run about naked and some truly mad uninhibited people do often throw their faeces around. As for not eating each other that is more of a moral choice and people did eat each other a long time ago.

Even today it happens. In 1846 a group of settlers *The Donner Party) moving from Iowa to California were stranded in the Sierra Nevada Mountains and eventually turned to cannibalism to survive. I'm sure they were good "God-fearing" Christians. In 1972, a group including members of a Uruguayan rugby team, crashed in the Andes and survived for 70 days by eating the flesh of others who died in the plane crash. South Americans are mostly Christians. Oh wait Catholics aren't Christians according you so I guess you got me there.

Finally animals are not here on this planet to treat any way we see fit. Is it OK then by your standard to torture and mistreat other creatures? There is nothing wrong with eating the flesh of other animals, but while they are alive they should be treated with respect and care. When the time comes, slaughtering should be done quickly and humanely and with the least amount of suffering possible to the animal, preferably none.

You are the "tool" that lacks compassion.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

You keep digging up old and ancient beliefs to compare with your modern "moral" beliefs. Most societies in history believed that might was right and that their ways were the right ways. They invaded, dominated and inflicted their ways and beliefs on others just as you want to do now.

The US wanted nothing to do with the war in Europe in 1939 when Hitler's armies invaded neighbouring countries. That's right those evil Nazi atheists. It didn't directly affect the US so most of its citizens didn't care. Calls for help from Great Britain, the ally of the US, were repeatedly turned down. It wasn't until Germany's ally Japan bombed Pearl Harbor that America got its hackles up and sent help in any numbers that would help. Thank God you eventually came and saved Australia from those evil Japanese Atheists too.

Do we really need to bring up Iraq? Who was it that helped Saddam Hussein take power in Iraq in the first place? I think you might find it was the US. It helped "liberate Iraq from the previous regime because it suited the US at the time. So don't give me morally superior.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

I think you might have covered this already. See point #1 and point #2. Oddly enough you're now arguing with yourself here in point #6 by saying that Atheists may feel pity for others when you were so emphatic that they didn't. Your beliefs seem much less solid now.

Besides you know nothing of my philosophy. Carving up a person would be nothing like cutting up a pig. You seem to be under some delusion that all Atheists are cannibals.

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

You really do have problems with the meaning of words don't you?

A Christian is by defintion someone who adheres to Christianity which is an Abrahamic (those Jews again) religion that is based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. The word "Christian" is derived from the Greek word "Christ" which is a translation of the word "Messiah" (oops those pesky Jews again). Christian believe that there is hope of salvation by following Jesus' message and because of his sacrifice on the cross. But then as a Christian, you should know that.

Let's make a wild assumption for the sake of this discussion that God and Jesus the Christ existed. You can argue that God has always been God no matter what he was called throughout history but logic decrees that Christianity can only have been around since Jesus' death and resurrection. Since it is pretty much accepted that Jesus would have been crucified and died around the year 30 AD, or 30 CE, whatever your preference, Christianity can only have been around about 2000 years.

So the past before the Christian Era was filled with Atheists, Pagans, Druids, various Native Americans, ancient aborigine peoples of many kinds, but definitely no Christians and no Muslims because by defition they could not have existed.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

That is one of the most inane and ridiculous statements I have ever heard. I can't show you a god that exists outside of the universe for a couple of reasons. There are no gods and I can't show you anything that exists outside of the universe or at least this universe. Maybe you could show me something that exists outside of the universe but I'm thinking it very unlikely. Can even show me any kind of a god that exists within this universe even a false one?

So yeah, the case is closed about as tightly as your mind.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

As mentioned in answer #1 by your reasoning your lot are a knock-off of Catholicism and therefore a mockery and morally inferior. Catholicism is the Christian religion from which the others sprang including yours simply because one bunch didn't like this bit and another lot didn't agree with that bit.

You're also a bunch of hypocrites because the Bible you so zealously follow is the work of the Catholic Church. Aside from the mistranslationns and misinterpretations from Aramaic to Hebrew to Latin to Greek to English (whew) the modern bible is not what it was. Because it didn't suit their purposes many of the books were omitted in the official Catholic version on which your modern Bible is based. The Gospel of Judas and The Gospel of Mary were two of the writings to be left out.

You might not like it but at least the Islamic Qur'an or Koran is consistent in its writings unlike the Bible.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

Well d'uh, by definition Atheists don't believe in a god. Have you no idea what words actually mean?

Guess what, Jews were around a while before Christians and they believe in the same god that you do; The God who created the world. Jews don't believe as Christians do that Jesus was the son of God but was simply a man. They even have The Old Testament. Isn't it ironic that you Christians hold so dear the writings of ancient Jews? Protestants (you) accept the 39 books that make up the Rabbinic Canon while Catholics (yep them) and some other Christian religions recognise many more derived from the Septuagint.

I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

I don't think you do really because you will obviously never try to follow any kind of sane and rational discussion if it doesn't support your belief system. I have no issue with people's beliefs as long as those beliefs don't espose harm and intolerance toward others. You people are scary and Jesus would be horrified with you've done to his ideals. Shocled that I might believe that Jesus existed? I have no problem with his existence as a man just as the son of a god of some kind.

I have seen many times that this forum is not for debate but for presentation of facts. These are your "facts" not the facts that are available to those of us living in the real world.

Your bigotry refuses to allow you to accept that other religions might be as valid as yours and that seems to be something that most religions share. In fact there are more people in the world who are not Christians than there are Christians. Maybe you are the ones who are wrong especially as you even reject the largest Christian religion of all.

I know this post may get deleted before many people see it which is a shame as it took a while to write, but I really had to say something. You really give Christians a bad name.

I bet you're surprised that an evil Atheist like me might actually know something about the Bible and religion. I was brought up a Christian but came to my senses just in time.

I'll leave you with this quote from Stephen F. Roberts:

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

[Brother Temperance]

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I was almost convinced of your argument, but then I realized you only came up with 9 things. you forgot (or didn't learn about) the number 3

that fact alone proves that you are not an educated person (or at least not properly educated) even in a christian school, the number 3 is taught. 2+2 will equal 4.

You're trying to trick us into talking about that atheist extremist theory of Pi not being 3, aren't you? I'm too wise for your snares, Satan!

only those who worship a false guise of god preache
those who worship false gods will only meet them faster
suffer not the heritice of humanty to exsit for they are breeders of war

preaching god made huamnity in his image is ilogical humanty is flawed yet you say god has no flaws you make this argument too easy

He made humanity in His image; He didn't make us exactly like Him. My avatar is in my image; I can breathe; my avatar cannot breathe. Same logic. Praise Jesus!

[Jack O'fagan]

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only those who worship a false guise of god preache
those who worship false gods will only meet them faster
suffer not the heritice of humanty to exsit for they are breeders of war

preaching god made huamnity in his image is ilogical humanty is flawed yet you say god has no flaws you make this argument too easy

Can you invest in a keyboard with commas and fullstops. We may then be able desipher a point from your random selection of misspelt words,

YIC

Jack

[greyknight_cmd]

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only those who worship a false guise of god preache
those who worship false gods will only meet them faster
suffer not the heritice of humanty to exsit for they are breeders of war

preaching god made huamnity in his image is ilogical humanty is flawed yet you say god has no flaws you make this argument too easy

[Bobby-Joe]

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I was almost convinced of your argument, but then I realized you only came up with 9 things. you forgot (or didn't learn about) the number 3

that fact alone proves that you are not an educated person (or at least not properly educated) even in a christian school, the number 3 is taught. 2+2 will equal 4.

Quibbling about there may or may not be a three is your entire argument friend? This is philosophy, not maths.

[Uncle RayRay]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

I was almost convinced of your argument, but then I realized you only came up with 9 things. you forgot (or didn't learn about) the number 3

that fact alone proves that you are not an educated person (or at least not properly educated) even in a christian school, the number 3 is taught. 2+2 will equal 4.

[Redeemed Papist]

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No Atheists are different and much more evil. They take Christian doctrine and while pretending to be Christian use that doctrine to mock Christians. That my friend is the act of a sick and disturbed mind.

I'm finding the very thought that someone could do this with the word of God and make it look like a mockery of the very idea of God too disturbing.

[Stronger7890]

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Trolls are just people who go out and throw out cheep shots at people just to anger them. Big deal, everyone does that. Like who hasn't screamed "get a job" at a homeless man as you drive passed?

No Atheists are different and much more evil. They take Christian doctrine and while pretending to be Christian use that doctrine to mock Christians. That my friend is the act of a sick and disturbed mind.

Yeah, people who "disguise" them selves just to be annoying have issues.
like really, they come onto your site and tell you to change, its just wrong.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Yeah well, that's what Trolls are unfortunately :/

Trolls are just people who go out and throw out cheep shots at people just to anger them. Big deal, everyone does that. Like who hasn't screamed "get a job" at a homeless man as you drive passed?

No Atheists are different and much more evil. They take Christian doctrine and while pretending to be Christian use that doctrine to mock Christians. That my friend is the act of a sick and disturbed mind.

[Dan U. Holier]

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Yeah well, that's what Trolls are unfortunately :/