[for the love of Fsm]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Of course I can answer his challenge. No thanks for wasting 10 minutes of my life by the way, that video is incredibly boring. Most of it is filled with the maker being full of himself.

His question is "prove 1 God created the universe", not 2, not 100, 1.

Well the proof is simple!

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Case closed.

using the bible proves the existance of god just as much as the star wars scripts prove the existance of darth vader friend.

In the challenge he asks no circular arguments. Of course you can say the bible says this... If you had watched the video maybe that would have been apparent to you. Your opinion on the video is irrelevant and concerns me not. Your response however does and is justification enough to say you have failed to meet the challenge.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Can any of you asnwer this challenge? I would be so interested and obliged if one of you obviously educated christian thiests could give a satisfiable answer to this challenge listed below. So without further ado!!!! Oh p.s Im sure you will have no problems in answering because god will show you how http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5Llzxjhi0

Of course I can answer his challenge. No thanks for wasting 10 minutes of my life by the way, that video is incredibly boring. Most of it is filled with the maker being full of himself.

His question is "prove 1 God created the universe", not 2, not 100, 1.

Well the proof is simple!

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Case closed.

[for the love of Fsm]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Can any of you asnwer this challenge?

I would be so interested and obliged if one of you obviously educated christian thiests could give a satisfiable answer to this challenge listed below. So without further ado!!!!
Oh p.s Im sure you will have no problems in answering because god will show you how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5Llzxjhi0

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

what do you mean?

Yet again we have to repeat the same points like Catholics aren't Christians over and over again because you couldn't read the rest of the thread.

[for the love of Fsm]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Watch this they laugh at you!!
How can this be? pfft they must be homos right?
They must have some serious demons inside them boy oh boy! They are so crazy right? caaaa raaazzzyyyyy
Pfft because there is a god.... The one true god the flying spaghetti monster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
the spanish inquisition were christin so you sort of shot yourself in the foot there and what about ''the great crusades'' they didn't exactly show pity

The Spanish Inquistion weren't Christians, they were Catholics. If you want to discuss the Crusades, please start another thread on the subject; this thread is for the discussion of atheist crimes like Stalin's Purges and the New Deal.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event.
earthquakes arent random they're caused by the earths crust separating colliding and rubbing together.

Separating, colliding and rubbing together randomly. #2 stands.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
there is a difference humans have gained logical thought that is what separates us from the animals the similarities are only in the way that our body works.

So there's no difference between an animal and a retard, then?

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil
i do agree that the bible does give good morals and ways to live

I'm glad that you agree with us.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
i dont really understand this point

I'll try saying it again: You have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything. Now do you understand? The Bible gives good morals, you do not have the Bible, therefore you do not have morals.

#7 Threw out human history there have never been any other gods but God.
your right there have been many gods but just because a lot of people believe it doesnt make it true e.g. many people believe in zombies but i dont think there very real

What.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
that makes no sense

Show me a false god that has existed outside the universe.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
what about judaism? that was around before christianity. does that make christianity a copy?

No. Christians are the real Jews. The religion now known as "Judaism" is a splinter group made up of rebels who refused to accept Christ's authority, and so it only really came into being after Christianity had started.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
what does that prove?

That Christianity is unique, while all false religions are alike.

what do you mean?

She means that if you read this thread all the way through, you'd realise that all your objections had already been answered many times over.

[howcanyoubelievethis]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Hey, thanks for bothering to read the thread. Then you idiots wonder why our threads get so long.

what do you mean?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
the spanish inquisition were christin so you sort of shot yourself in the foot there and what about ''the great crusades'' they didn't exactly show pity
#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event.
earthquakes arent random they're caused by the earths crust separating colliding and rubbing together. plus there was earth quakes long before buildings.
#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
there is a difference humans have gained logical thought that is what separates us from the animals the similarities are only in the way that our body works.
#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil
i do agree that the bible does give good morals and ways to live
#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
i dont really understand this point
#7 Threw out human history there have never been any other gods but God.
your right there have been many gods but just because a lot of people believe it doesnt make it true e.g. many people believe in zombies but i dont think there very real
#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
that makes no sense
#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
what about judaism? that was around before christianity. does that make christianity a copy?
#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
what does that prove?

Hey, thanks for bothering to read the thread. Then you idiots wonder why our threads get so long.

[howcanyoubelievethis]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
the spanish inquisition were christin so you sort of shot yourself in the foot there and what about ''the great crusades'' they didn't exactly show pity
#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event.
earthquakes arent random they're caused by the earths crust separating colliding and rubbing together. plus there was earth quakes long before buildings.
#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
there is a difference humans have gained logical thought that is what separates us from the animals the similarities are only in the way that our body works.
#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil
i do agree that the bible does give good morals and ways to live
#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
i dont really understand this point
#7 Threw out human history there have never been any other gods but God.
your right there have been many gods but just because a lot of people believe it doesnt make it true e.g. many people believe in zombies but i dont think there very real
#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
that makes no sense
#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
what about judaism? that was around before christianity. does that make christianity a copy?
#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
what does that prove?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Please, before you go posting your argument, make sure you research your topics, which you obviously have not done. Your research of European History is significantly wrong, and my college textbook can validate that. Do not assume Atheists are immoral, foul beings, because they truly are not.

Friend, we TRUE Christians(tm) of Landover Baptists know ALL about Atheists and their little tricks. Atheists are the WORSE kind of scum who around pretending to be Christians while making hidden jokes about Christian beliefs and looking at porn. Does that sound like a good person to you? No! Atheists are just a bunch of bearded perverts.

It's okay to have a different view than someone else, just make sure you are able to back up your argument with valid evidence which this article seemed to contain none of which. Proofreading is also an amazing writing technique to use so you do not seem like an unintelligent mormon. Ponder these arguments instead of retreating to your brainwashed bigotry.

This isn't an article, its a post to a web forum so cut the grammar Nazi crap out pal. You understood what I wrote well enough.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Before posting, please learn ability to use proper grammar and to count correctly. You've also contradicted yourself greatly from the start. You claim to await any rebuttals from Atheists but then refer to a thread that claims this is not a debate site. I will, however, argue my points anyway.

1. The Spain

Pro-tip: Don't lecture others on their use of language and then refer to "The Spain".

has had Christian roots for several hundred years, and that's including the Spanish Inquisition. They have never had a large Atheistic influence; the only other religion was Islam which happened to be around the 1500-1600's. Most wars during this time were over religion, aka, Christians killing (violating the 10 Commandments) hundreds of thousands of people. For example, Queen Mary Tudor of England was a very strict Catholic. However, she made a point against Protestants that they were not welcome in her country and burned one once a week for her amusement.

We know that Catholics are scum. What's your point?

The New Deal was an economic stimulus for America to get the country out of the Great Depression during the 1920's which had nothing to do with Atheism at all.

I'm sure. Just like how Stalin had nothing to do with socialism, right?

Hitler, in fact, was Christian. He claimed to believe in an "Aryan" Christ. Please research historical facts before arguing your point.

He was a Catholic too. Please research historical facts before arguing your point.

2. If a Christian claims to know why a natural disaster happens, please explain to me why many innocent people die whom are not sinners?

Which innocent people? Name them.

3. This was obviously skipped.

Yes, obviously you did skip it.

4. Atheists do believe there is a significant difference between animals and humans. Humans obviously are more intelligent than any other creature, as we have expanded throughout the whole planet.

So you believe it's acceptable to eat retards?

5. Ancient Rome was never Atheistic. They have been the birthplace for Catholicism for hundreds of years. Rome was entirely Catholic whenever they invaded other countries. I'm not sure if you are attempting to reference the Holy Roman Empire when the Hasburg's went on a massive invasion spree, but Rome and the Holy Roman Empire are not one and the same. "Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed," is what you stated; however, it is against the Ten Commandments to kill anyone, and therefore, sinning.

It's not a sin if GOD tells you to do it!

6. Atheists feel no pity is your first argument, so you are basically stating the same argument twice. Atheists have their own morals due to social standards and how they are raised. Atheistic households do not raise their children to steal, lie, cheat, or murder. Atheists have morals because they are learned from birth, just as any other Christian.

But there is no objective basis for those morals.

7. First off, it's spelled throughout. The past was not entirely Christian. Jews and Pagans ruled the Earth before Christ was born. Christianity is not the oldest religion.

But GOD is the oldest God.

8. An Atheist can't show you that a false god exists? You make entirely no sense. Atheisms believe that the Christian god is a fake god as is all the other forms of him. However, Christians can't prove that there is a true god. An Atheists argument would be: have you truly seen God, in the flesh? Right before your eyes? Not just in your prayers? Chances are, probably not.

I've seen His Book that He wrote. Have you truly seen Richard Dawkins, in the flesh? Right before your eyes?

9. Christianity is not the "Gold Standard." They were not the oldest nor the newest. Judaism was present on Earth far before Christianity and the same with Paganism. However, you cannot argue that Atheism is a new religion because it has been around for a couple millenia; they were just not in the vast majority to be counted. So no, Atheism is not a "new religion."

This is not an argument.

10. So you're saying that Islam and Judaism do not have the same ideas? You are wrong. Both religions even believe in Christ; they just do not accept Jesus as the son of God. They believed he was only a prophet.

Please back up that lie with reference to Jewish holy texts.

And Atheism doesn't believe in an eternal, infinite God? Wonder why? Because they don't believe in any god, period.

And we do, so we win!

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Before posting, please learn ability to use proper grammar and to count correctly. You've also contradicted yourself greatly from the start. You claim to await any rebuttals from Atheists but then refer to a thread that claims this is not a debate site. I will, however, argue my points anyway.

This isn't a debate site, this site exists to Glorify God.

1. The Spain has had Christian roots for several hundred years, and that's including the Spanish Inquisition. They have never had a large Atheistic influence; the only other religion was Islam which happened to be around the 1500-1600's. Most wars during this time were over religion, aka, Christians killing (violating the 10 Commandments) hundreds of thousands of people. For example, Queen Mary Tudor of England was a very strict Catholic. However, she made a point against Protestants that they were not welcome in her country and burned one once a week for her amusement. The New Deal was an economic stimulus for America to get the country out of the Great Depression during the 1920's which had nothing to do with Atheism at all. Hitler, in fact, was Christian. He claimed to believe in an "Aryan" Christ. Please research historical facts before arguing your point.

**sigh** Catholics are not Christians
So there's your first mistake. In fact hasn't this all been covered in this very thread? Oh and Hitler was a Catholic, see above statement.

2. If a Christian claims to know why a natural disaster happens, please explain to me why many innocent people die whom are not sinners? An Atheist can explain in a proven scientific manner why a natural disaster happens. For example, a tsunami. Techtonic plates in the Earth's crust shift, causing earthquakes. These earthquakes produce shockwaves that travel through water, gradually getting larger and larger until it strikes land.

So you decide who's sinful and innocent? How do you know that "innocent people die"? Because according to the Bible.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

3. This was obviously skipped.

Glad to see you have no response to it.

4. Atheists do believe there is a significant difference between animals and humans. Humans obviously are more intelligent than any other creature, as we have expanded throughout the whole planet. Running around naked would be illogical because of the seasons, it becomes too cold. Natural instinct would tell us we need something covering our body to maintain our natural body temperature. Humans from the beginning of time have shunned cannibalism. Most animals shy away from this as well. So, according to Atheistic beliefs, we would not be running around naked, eating each other. And throwing feces? Do you truly think Atheists are that foul? You are wrong.

Oh really. Can you track a criminal 15 miles using only your sense of smell? Why is running around IN AFRICA illogical? Why did we "evolve" without fur if we need it? Animals shun cannibalism? Have you ever met an animal besides the goldfish your mommy gave you when you were 5? Cat's and Dogs eat their babies ALL THE TIME! Oh, and why wouldn't an atheist throw feces, or eat it, after all, we're only bald, defensless, apes.

In fact thinking about it, how exactly could we "evolve" to the top of the food chain? No teeth, no armor, no claws, a gophers better defended than we are. How would we have even got the chance to "evolve"?

5. Ancient Rome was never Atheistic. They have been the birthplace for Catholicism for hundreds of years. Rome was entirely Catholic whenever they invaded other countries. I'm not sure if you are attempting to reference the Holy Roman Empire when the Hasburg's went on a massive invasion spree, but Rome and the Holy Roman Empire are not one and the same. "Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed," is what you stated; however, it is against the Ten Commandments to kill anyone, and therefore, sinning.

You've never actually read a Bible, have you. God demands a lot of killing.

6. Atheists feel no pity is your first argument, so you are basically stating the same argument twice. Atheists have their own morals due to social standards and how they are raised. Atheistic households do not raise their children to steal, lie, cheat, or murder. Atheists have morals because they are learned from birth, just as any other Christian.

Oh, I see, so if you're raised by people who think we're feces throwing apes, then it's okay to throw feces. Oh and how dare you frown on any Chinese person who follows you home and eats your dog, after all, he's only doing what he was raised to do. Oh, and if Atheists don't lie, cheat, or murder, can you please explain where the liars cheaters and murders come from? After all, morality is subjective in an Atheist world.

7. First off, it's spelled throughout. The past was not entirely Christian. Jews and Pagans ruled the Earth before Christ was born. Christianity is not the oldest religion.

**sigh** John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Yeah, Christianity is the first religion.

8. An Atheist can't show you that a false god exists? You make entirely no sense. Atheisms believe that the Christian god is a fake god as is all the other forms of him. However, Christians can't prove that there is a true god. An Atheists argument would be: have you truly seen God, in the flesh? Right before your eyes? Not just in your prayers? Chances are, probably not.

Yet how many proclaimed atheists have come on here claiming to believe in "gaia" the "flying spaghetti monster" "Karma" or some other unbiblical garbage. You guys will believe anything that pulls people further away from God.

9. Christianity is not the "Gold Standard." They were not the oldest nor the newest. Judaism was present on Earth far before Christianity and the same with Paganism. However, you cannot argue that Atheism is a new religion because it has been around for a couple millenia; they were just not in the vast majority to be counted. So no, Atheism is not a "new religion."

But the Jews crucified Jesus, so they're on the outs. Oh and see Biblical quote above.

10. So you're saying that Islam and Judaism do not have the same ideas? You are wrong. Both religions even believe in Christ; they just do not accept Jesus as the son of God. They believed he was only a prophet. And Atheism doesn't believe in an eternal, infinite God? Wonder why? Because they don't believe in any god, period.

The Jews believe in Jesus? So why'd they bother to crucify him? Oh and although the muzzies say they believe in Jesus, I've noticed they don't care if you Atheists insult him, but go insult ol' Mo and they'll burn your house down after decapitating you and your family.

Please, before you go posting your argument, make sure you research your topics, which you obviously have not done. Your research of European History is significantly wrong, and my college textbook can validate that. Do not assume Atheists are immoral, foul beings, because they truly are not. It's okay to have a different view than someone else, just make sure you are able to back up your argument with valid evidence which this article seemed to contain none of which. Proofreading is also an amazing writing technique to use so you do not seem like an unintelligent mormon. Ponder these arguments instead of retreating to your brainwashed bigotry.

The Good Brothers research is impeccable. Oh, I also like how you dismiss the Word of God, but take your "college text book" on pure faith.

[cheyennexcrystal]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Before posting, please learn ability to use proper grammar and to count correctly. You've also contradicted yourself greatly from the start. You claim to await any rebuttals from Atheists but then refer to a thread that claims this is not a debate site. I will, however, argue my points anyway.

1. The Spain has had Christian roots for several hundred years, and that's including the Spanish Inquisition. They have never had a large Atheistic influence; the only other religion was Islam which happened to be around the 1500-1600's. Most wars during this time were over religion, aka, Christians killing (violating the 10 Commandments) hundreds of thousands of people. For example, Queen Mary Tudor of England was a very strict Catholic. However, she made a point against Protestants that they were not welcome in her country and burned one once a week for her amusement. The New Deal was an economic stimulus for America to get the country out of the Great Depression during the 1920's which had nothing to do with Atheism at all. Hitler, in fact, was Christian. He claimed to believe in an "Aryan" Christ. Please research historical facts before arguing your point.

2. If a Christian claims to know why a natural disaster happens, please explain to me why many innocent people die whom are not sinners? An Atheist can explain in a proven scientific manner why a natural disaster happens. For example, a tsunami. Techtonic plates in the Earth's crust shift, causing earthquakes. These earthquakes produce shockwaves that travel through water, gradually getting larger and larger until it strikes land.

3. This was obviously skipped.

4. Atheists do believe there is a significant difference between animals and humans. Humans obviously are more intelligent than any other creature, as we have expanded throughout the whole planet. Running around naked would be illogical because of the seasons, it becomes too cold. Natural instinct would tell us we need something covering our body to maintain our natural body temperature. Humans from the beginning of time have shunned cannibalism. Most animals shy away from this as well. So, according to Atheistic beliefs, we would not be running around naked, eating each other. And throwing feces? Do you truly think Atheists are that foul? You are wrong.

5. Ancient Rome was never Atheistic. They have been the birthplace for Catholicism for hundreds of years. Rome was entirely Catholic whenever they invaded other countries. I'm not sure if you are attempting to reference the Holy Roman Empire when the Hasburg's went on a massive invasion spree, but Rome and the Holy Roman Empire are not one and the same. "Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed," is what you stated; however, it is against the Ten Commandments to kill anyone, and therefore, sinning.

6. Atheists feel no pity is your first argument, so you are basically stating the same argument twice. Atheists have their own morals due to social standards and how they are raised. Atheistic households do not raise their children to steal, lie, cheat, or murder. Atheists have morals because they are learned from birth, just as any other Christian.

7. First off, it's spelled throughout. The past was not entirely Christian. Jews and Pagans ruled the Earth before Christ was born. Christianity is not the oldest religion.

8. An Atheist can't show you that a false god exists? You make entirely no sense. Atheisms believe that the Christian god is a fake god as is all the other forms of him. However, Christians can't prove that there is a true god. An Atheists argument would be: have you truly seen God, in the flesh? Right before your eyes? Not just in your prayers? Chances are, probably not.

9. Christianity is not the "Gold Standard." They were not the oldest nor the newest. Judaism was present on Earth far before Christianity and the same with Paganism. However, you cannot argue that Atheism is a new religion because it has been around for a couple millenia; they were just not in the vast majority to be counted. So no, Atheism is not a "new religion."

10. So you're saying that Islam and Judaism do not have the same ideas? You are wrong. Both religions even believe in Christ; they just do not accept Jesus as the son of God. They believed he was only a prophet. And Atheism doesn't believe in an eternal, infinite God? Wonder why? Because they don't believe in any god, period.

Please, before you go posting your argument, make sure you research your topics, which you obviously have not done. Your research of European History is significantly wrong, and my college textbook can validate that. Do not assume Atheists are immoral, foul beings, because they truly are not. It's okay to have a different view than someone else, just make sure you are able to back up your argument with valid evidence which this article seemed to contain none of which. Proofreading is also an amazing writing technique to use so you do not seem like an unintelligent mormon. Ponder these arguments instead of retreating to your brainwashed bigotry.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Oh, really? Go on, prove that "the Lord's wrath is kindled against me"... using a source other than the Bible. Go on.

9/11

If you're referring to the nonsense in my introduction post, that was just to see the reactions from the people here. You'll see that nowhere else have I mentioned such things.

Why would you go on the internet and pretend to believe something that you don't actually believe in? That sort of behaviour is very rude and disrespectful. Not to mention that I've caught you lying once again, since you brought that nonsense up in at least two different threads.

No, Karma is thought to be an underlying rule of the universe.

So if I redefine God and His Laws as underlying rules of the universe, I can join your atheist club too?

Explain why you think so, please.

You've said that you're not keen on humanity, so I was giving a helpful suggestion as to how you could reduce the human problem without harming anyone else.

But what are morals, in reality? Vague concepts with no real definition.

That's true of secular morals. Not of Christian morals. That's why we're superior. There is a very specific definition of what our morality means.

Just what's in accordance to the conduct expected. And of course I'm denying the existence of objective morality, that was my entire point - one second it's "Thou shalt not kill," the next it's "Burn witches," for an example.

You're trying to invent a contradiction when there is none. It's legal to smoke cigarettes, but it's not legal to do so in restaurants. Is that a contradiction?

I can prove the existence of Brahma with Hindi holy texts in the same way that I can prove the existence of God with Christian holy texts. Actually, seeing as you prove God with the Bible, I can prove Harry Potter's existence based off the Harry Potter books. I can prove that Legloas and Frodo exist with the Lord of the Rings! Think about your logic.

But God didn't write any of those books.

I meant, prove to me that God did create the universe... without using the Bible. Again, just try.

It exists. If God hadn't created it, it wouldn't be there. That was simple.

What a grand excuse for ignorance that is. And how could they be Christians when there was no Christ yet?

The Godly Sister Lycia has already completely destroyed you on this point.

... When on Earth did I say that about the New Deal? I said just the opposite. Please stop making up things I say.

But FDR was an atheist.

Yes, I know of Jeff Luers - he was an environmentalist that tried to bring attention to the unsustainability of the extreme capitalist system of America.

Right. Trying to bring attention. Terrorism sounds so nice and fluffy when you put it like that.

1) I agree completely! I'm glad you got that.

And I'm glad that you admit environmentalism is immoral.

2) Depends on how you define terrorism. Are not all revolutionaries considered terrorists? Jesus was considered a terrorist, you know, for having philosophies that differed from the norm.

Provide evidence to support that statement.

3) ... No... No, it's not... Please do some research on that topic.

I have. I've lost count of the amount of threads I've read on this forum about why global warming is a lie. That's how rigourous my research has been.

Oh, come off it. The Bible contradicts itself too many times to count.

Nonsense. Why would God contradict Himself? He's perfect, remember.

Another step in preventing revolutions and internal dissent.

Do you even know what the Freedom of Information Act is? Or are you just spouting buzzwords to try and sound clever?

Again, I can prove them with the holy texts of those religions in the same way that I can prove that God exists with the holy texts of Christianity. "This anthology says this guy exists." Well gee, then he must!

The fact that they have holy texts is yet more proof that they're just imitations of the Christian model.

WHAT. Judaism and Zoroastrianism both existed before Christianity, sorry to say!

Real Jews are Christians. The sect now known as "Judaism" only emerged when some false Jews decided to reject Christ's message.

Yeah, they were atheists and communists. And? Communism requires atheism because they put the Party in place of a god.

So you admit that atheism leads to evil and Christianity prevents it. We'll make a Christian out of you yet, girl.

Excuse me, but I wrote that. I emailed the website that plagiarised it from me, and they took it down. See? http://www.xkaw.com/Arts_Humanities/...asp?id=1498376

I wasn't talking to you. It's rude to interrupt. I was responding to the atheist fool who was trying to claim that atheists have morals, a point which I'm sure you'll agree with me on. So there's really no need to be so argumentative.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Look at a historical timeline. Socrates, Plato, and Democritus all lived before Jesus did. Socrates: 469 BCE–399 BCE. Jesus: 5 BCE-30 CE.

Wrong. Jesus has existed since the beginning of time.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58

Oh, really? Go on, prove that "the Lord's wrath is kindled against me"... using a source other than the Bible. Go on.

"So that, thus it is that natural men are held in the hand of God, over the pit of hell; they have deserved the fiery pit, and are already sentenced to it; and God is dreadfully provoked, his anger is as great towards them as to those that are actually suffering the executions of the fierceness of his wrath in hell, and they have done nothing in the least to appease or abate that anger, neither is God in the least bound by any promise to hold them up one moment; the devil is waiting for them, hell is gaping for them, the flames gather and flash about them, and would fain lay hold on them, and swallow them up; the fire pent up in their own hearts is struggling to break out: and they have no interest in any Mediator, there are no means within reach that can be any security to them. In short, they have no refuge, nothing to take hold of; all that preserves them every moment is the mere arbitrary will, and uncovenanted, unobliged forbearance of an incensed God." Excerpt from Jonathan Edward's Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.


You will notice I properly cited my source.

In reality, haemorrhoids are caused by obesity, enlargement of haemorrhoidal vessels, aging, abnormal bowel habits, and other such things that increse strain - and it's a genetic predilection. As usual, God has nothing to do with it.

Oh, really? Go on, prove that "As usual, God has nothing to do with it"... using a source other than atheist propaganda. Go on.

Just because the Hindi faith seems foreign to you doesn't make it make any less sense than your own religion.

Ad-hominems and blatant non-sense. If you really can't understand why the Hindoo faith is much more ridiculous then the idea of a six day creation, burning bushes that talk, and a man who is really God dying for all of our sins, then there really isn't much hope for you at all.

You can also pull a number of quotes that say otherwise: For instance, Hitler saying "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," "I confess that I will never ally myself with the parties which aim to destroy Christianity," and "We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
Hitler was Christian and against atheism.

Wrong again, Stella LaFornicate. Hitler wasn't a Christian because Hitler was a papist! And everybody knows the papists have been in league with the atheists for years in their crusade to destroy all vestiges of True Christianity™.

*sighs* See above for the example in Naziism.

*sighs* See above for the example in Naziism.

If you're referring to the nonsense in my introduction post, that was just to see the reactions from the people here. You'll see that nowhere else have I mentioned such things. Oh, and by the way, that wouldn't make me a false atheist.

Uh huh, you were just conducting some sort of social experiment, right? Allow me to profess my unbelief at that statement.

And yes, it would, simply because the concept of karma requires some sort of being that keeps track of it.

No, Karma is thought to be an underlying rule of the universe.

So one minute you claim to believe in karma, the next you claim that you don't, and the next you claim it to be an underlying rule of the universe? Can't you atheists even bother to get your mythology right?

Explain why you think so, please.

I can't speak for Brother Temperance here.

But what are morals, in reality? Vague concepts with no real definition. Just what's in accordance to the conduct expected. And of course I'm denying the existence of objective morality, that was my entire point - one second it's "Thou shalt not kill," the next it's "Burn witches," for an example.

Sounds like an excuse to me.

Again, I can't speak for Brother Temperance, but I am also having trouble keeping your yammering straight.

I can prove the existence of Brahma with Hindi holy texts in the same way that I can prove the existence of God with Christian holy texts. Actually, seeing as you prove God with the Bible, I can prove Harry Potter's existence based off the Harry Potter books. I can prove that Legloas and Frodo exist with the Lord of the Rings! Think about your logic.

This has to be the most ridiculous atheistic argument I've ever seen. Of course I can prove Frodo exists with the Lord of the Rings, if I blatantly ignore all the real-world evidence to the contrary. On the other hand, we can prove God exists by examining exactly how much of the Bible is consistent with the real world (protip: its quite a bit!) and then drawing conclusions from there.

I meant, prove to me that God did create the universe... without using the Bible. Again, just try.

Why don't you prove to me the Big Bang occurred without using any science propaganda? Its ok, I can wait.

What a grand excuse for ignorance that is. And how could they be Christians when there was no Christ yet?

I have already proven to you how Christ has existed since the beginning of time. Are you ready to admit defeat yet?

... When on Earth did I say that about the New Deal? I said just the opposite. Please stop making up things I say.
And again with Hitler? This is such a pointless argument. But I'll play along. In Mein Kampf, Hitler's autobiography, he stated that he thought the Aryan race was created by God, and that it was a sin against God to dilute that heritage through racial intermixing. This led him to want to exterminate everyone outside the "Aryan" race - Jews, Romani, Soviets, etc.

I'm glad to see you're finally accepting the fact that the atheist religion has false deities.

Yes, I know of Jeff Luers - he was an environmentalist that tried to bring attention to the unsustainability of the extreme capitalist system of America. And are you familiar with the events occuring in the Dark Ages? If not, the peasants created a revolutionary agricultural technique then. You see, every year, they planted the same amount of crops in the same fields. Year after year, the productivity dwindled lower and lower until nothing grew. The peasants realised this, and worked hard to preserve their fields, restoring nitrogen and oxygen to it. You see... peasants in the European Dark Ages came to a conclusion that not even "civilised society" came to: You can't take a limited amount of resources and exploit it infinitely and expect it to continue to yield the same results year after year. Yet, that's just what we're doing to the planet.
1) I agree completely! I'm glad you got that.
2) Depends on how you define terrorism. Are not all revolutionaries considered terrorists? Jesus was considered a terrorist, you know, for having philosophies that differed from the norm.
3) ... No... No, it's not... Please do some research on that topic.

1. I'm glad you've finally decided to agree with us and have stopped flip-flopping.
2. Please don't mock my faith by calling Jesus a terrorist. That was just uncalled for.
3. Listen, global warming is a hoax perpetuated by the liebral media and the sooner you accept this the sooner we can start working on getting you Saved©. Do you really think an omnipotent God couldn't stop global warming if He wanted to?

Oh, come off it. The Bible contradicts itself too many times to count.

Wrong, there are absolutely no contradictions in the Bible. I know this because the Bible tells me so.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16

Why would a perfect being who inspired all scripture put contradictions in that scripture? Answer me that, Ms. Stella.

Another step in preventing revolutions and internal dissent.

So the Freedom of Information act is a moral law? Please explain your reasoning behind this. Might I remind you that you've also claimed not to believe in an objective morality?

Again, I can prove them with the holy texts of those religions in the same way that I can prove that God exists with the holy texts of Christianity. "This anthology says this guy exists." Well gee, then he must!

I've already addressed this.

WHAT.

Judaism and Zoroastrianism both existed before Christianity, sorry to say!
Yeah, they were atheists and communists. And? Communism requires atheism because they put the Party in place of a god.

I've already addressed both of these.

Excuse me, but I wrote that. I emailed the website that plagiarised it from me, and they took it down. See? http://www.xkaw.com/Arts_Humanities/...asp?id=1498376

Well, I hope that seeing how plagiarism effects the original author firsthand has given you an appreciation for how it is wrong morally. Of course, you can only appreciate it if you first believe in an objective morality.