[tomdstone]

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How do you know those who claim that Jesus was a mythological figure who never walked on Earth did not get it right?

In addition to Holy Scripture, there are alternate sources which mention Jesus and Christianity in the early stages of development. There is such a thing as historical fact which is true, but cannot be proven to be true to a solipsist. You might as well ask how do you know that your mother or Ivanka Trump exists and it is not all a dream. Is reality an illusion of some sort? There are different levels of knowledge with perhaps the most certain being mathematical knowledge. I don't know anyone who would deny that in euclidean geometry the base angles of an isosceles triangle are equal. However, there are those who deny that there ever was a man on the moon. Can you prove to a solipsist that there was a rocket sent to the moon and a man landed there?

[tomdstone]

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Second, classical mechanics were never dismissed but supplemented by relativity not because "relativity appeared" but because observations no longer supported classical mechanics and no matter how they tried, the photoelectric effect and the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, for example, could not be explained, and new theories were necessary.

Newtonian gravitational theory works on the principle of instantaneous action at a distance which is not true according to the general theory of relativity.

[Brother Gonzalez]

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Boys, you are taking the fun out of the worshipping of God. Why don't we go back to discuss the usual topics on how do we protect ourselves from homofaggotry, niggotry and jewishery?

[tomdstone]

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Boys, you are taking the fun out of the worshipping of God. Why don't we go back to discuss the usual topics on how do we protect ourselves from homofaggotry, niggotry and jewishery?

I love black people and I love all Jews. They are some of the best people in the world. I also love all Asians, Buddhists and Hindus. I love Chinese food, Vietnamese food, Indian food and Jewish food and I love their cultures. Some of the smartest people in the world are Jewish, Indian, or Asian. And of course, Russian culture and food and the various European cultures are great also.

[tomdstone]

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First, "common sense" or "relying on authorities" are not scientific methods.

This is very true. You are making a lot of sense here. Modern physics has shown us that it is necessary to refine our ordinary notion of common sense. That is why we need to think a little more deeply about the question of suffering and the omnipotence of an all Merciful and all Loving God. Our ordinary and common sense notions will fail us as we go forward with our study of this question.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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Fixsen,D. J. (2009). "The Temperature of the Cosmic MicrowaveBackground". TheAstrophysical Journal. 707(2):916–920.


White,M. (1999). Anisotropiesin the CMB. Proceedingsof the Los Angeles Meeting, DPF 99. UCLA. arXiv:astro-ph/9903232 

Thank you. It would be more helpful if you provided a direct link to the actual articles.

Here is the direct link for the first one. I have learned from it that while the accuracy of our method of estimating the CMB temperature is still far from perfect, it is being refined all the time.

For the second one you did provide an almost-direct link, thank you. It is quite outdated as it was written in 1999 but it helps to see how the science on the subject has changed in one decade. I like its optimism but the later Fixsen's article shows that White should have been much more cautious and less cheerful in his writing.

It would be even more useful to see a more recent citation, something from the last few years, to see how science has changed since 2009. But you are finally improving. I appreciate that.

I think you are mistaken when you say that I do not rely on modern science or the scientific method. I am not sure why you would think so.

Probably because until now you have been name-dropping ("so-and-so said that") and appealing to majority as some sort of authority ("the majority of X says Y") which is not scientific at all.

I do hope that you find this explanation helpful.

In addition to Holy Scripture, there are alternate sources which mention Jesus and Christianity in the early stages of development.

I am eager to hear you list the early non-Christian sources which support the historicity of Jesus. I am not aware of such sources, but then again, I did history of religions in my undergrad studies, so maybe there are new sources now which were not available then.

[Brother Gonzalez]

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I love black people and I love all Jews. They are some of the best people in the world. I also love all Asians, Buddhists and Hindus. I love Chinese food, Vietnamese food, Indian food and Jewish food and I love their cultures. Some of the smartest people in the world are Jewish, Indian, or Asian. And of course, Russian culture and food and the various European cultures are great also.

And I do not care about what you do or like. I look for guidance in the Bible, not you.


Thanks anyway.


Please, when the science can prove that is our God, and not any other God, send me a private message. Until that science is useless even if you were right and not being crushed by Dr White and señorita Dolores.

[tomdstone]

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And I do not care about what you do or like.

OK, but I forgot to mention that I also like Arab food, the Palestinians, and Mexican food. My Mexican friends are some of the greatest people in the world.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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OK, but I forgot to mention that I also like Arab food ...

I didn't realise that there was such a thing as "Arab food". Goodness me, the things you learn from experts on the internet!

[Brother Gonzalez]

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OK, but I forgot to mention that I also like Arab food, the Palestinians, and Mexican food. My Mexican friends are some of the greatest people in the world.

Still not caring. You know I am a kind of Mexican, though touched by the grace of the Lord. I am part of the greatest people in the world. The ones chosen by God to live with Him after death.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Rest assured, Brother Gonzalez, that we don't really think of you as a Mexican. We think of you as almost one of us.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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OK, but I forgot to mention that I also like Arab food, the Palestinians, and Mexican food. My Mexican friends are some of the greatest people in the world.

Dear Mr. Stone, I think it says a lot about a man when he has a Mexican friend. In some circles it might be as good as having a black friend.

While I am not entirely certain about your definition of "Arab" food, I do agree that Mediterranean and Middle Eastern cuisines are quite agreeable. I particularly love shopping at Middle Eastern markets as they tend to sell fresh fava beans, and that's a legume I'm practically addicted to.

I assume that you have not responded to my post yet because you are still researching if there are any non-Christian sources confirming the historicity of Jesus. Don't worry; I'll be here all week, and now that the grading is all done I'm going to have more time to stay online and remind you about this homework from time to time.

[tomdstone]

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I didn't realise that there was such a thing as "Arab food". Goodness me, the things you learn from experts on the internet!

Please see:
The Arab Table: Recipes and Culinary Traditions
By May Bsisu
and

The Arabian Cookbook: Traditional Arab Cuisine with a Modern Twist

• by Ramzi Choueiry and Bruno Ehrs

[tomdstone]

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I do agree that Mediterranean and Middle Eastern cuisines are quite agreeable. I particularly love shopping at Middle Eastern markets

Finally, after 80 posts on this forum, someone finally agrees with me on something.

[Didymus Much]

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Finally, after 80 posts on this forum, someone finally agrees with me on something.

Yeah, the one with the weakest faith, trying desperately to find something, anything, to justify her belief in an uncaring, Jealous creator being because she's having a really hard time dealing other's expressions of their "faith" (almost always violent, racist, and/or misogynist) on this pebble in the cosmos with a cold, 99.999999999999% empty universe that won't feel a thing when she passes, or miss her in the slightest.


Does that tell you anything?