[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace Be Upon You,

And what of the people who bomb innocent Afghans and Iraqis from miles away, without any confirmed targed? Just recently NATO killed 50 or so Afghan civilians in an unprovoked bombing. American and Foreign forces escalated the war, and those they were fighting responded with the only weapon they could find. True, it is barbaric, but the actions of American and other armies are equally, if not more barbaric. See the massacre of My Lai, and check news reports on massacres in Iraq by US soldiers on the BBC.

Peace Be Upon You

If they were proper Christians, they wouldn't have been killed.

For that matter, they wouldn't have been in that Godless cesspool in the first place. Being a moon worshiping towelhead is provocation enough for Jesus.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Ah yes, but I don't believe any of these were people with bombs strapped to themselves to detonate on buses full of women and children.

Peace Be Upon You,

And what of the people who bomb innocent Afghans and Iraqis from miles away, without any confirmed targed? Just recently NATO killed 50 or so Afghan civilians in an unprovoked bombing. American and Foreign forces escalated the war, and those they were fighting responded with the only weapon they could find. True, it is barbaric, but the actions of American and other armies are equally, if not more barbaric. See the massacre of My Lai, and check news reports on massacres in Iraq by US soldiers on the BBC.

Peace Be Upon You

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

What part of IN THE PAST 500 YEARS don't you understand? I don't want a link to some goose-chase, just name an invention!

Zippers? - Nope! GPS? Nope! The Printing press? Nope!



Okay, but those are really more like "Buddhist hunts" than wars. Just because we disagree with the violence of Islam doesn't mean we approve of the pacifism of Buddhism. I mean, those squeamish worm-herders are just asking for trouble.

Here is one thing that was discovered i 1665 in the West.

http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/innoastronomy.html

Here is another thing that benefited the world around this time.

http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/innopaper.html

Also, as I stated earlier, you ought to find the references in books if you have an interest in the topic. Please explore the other links on this site, so that you may understand the good and benefit that Islam has brought the world.

Peace Be Upon You

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

You know, I might not be the more pious or devout of the priests...But at least I can be nice to people.

Whereas you Landover heretics spend your life on your knees and yet still have hatred towards your fellow man...

Peace be upon you, and all the blessings of the almighty God,

Thank you for this statement. It is people like yourself who are needed to ensure that dialogue and peace is sustained between all mankind, not just factional religious groups and faiths. Fr Martin's point is a good one; one of Prophet Isa (Jesus) Peace Be Upon Him was that of peace, and this is why he never fought against the Pharisees or even hated them. Instead he loved them, and prayed to God that he should spare them. If you believe that Jesus is God, or the Son of God, then shouldn't you attempt to at least try and act as he did, and bring a message of peace to the world?

Peace Be Upon You All

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

1) Islamic jihadists are in a war to destroy the West, (2) jihad is a "central duty of every Muslim," and, (3) "No major Muslim group has ever repudiated the doctrines of armed jihad." What then is the use of screening out individual Muslim immigration applicants who have an explicit jihadist background, and letting the rest in, when every Muslim is at least a potential jihadist? Since Islamic jihadists are in a war to the death with us, and since all Muslims are enjoined to wage jihad (whether they do it actively or not), and since there is no authoritative non-jihadist Islam to forbid Muslims from waging jihad, it is a no-brainer that all mass Islamic immigration must cease, period.

Peace Be Upon You.

You have misunderstood the meaning of the word Jihad. There are two types: defending ones Religion in a place where Islam is supressed, and the most common type of Jihad, which is the personal struggle to attain a healthy spiritual and physical life. Also, your argument is fatally flawed, in that there are more references to warfare and executing people in the Bible then there is in the Qu'ran. Also, the reason that no Islamic group forbids Muslims from waging Jihad is for the reason that I gave you with regard to the meaning. Jihad in its pure form is either defence of Religion, or a personal jihad which one goes through everyday. The meaning of the word Jihad is struggle, and hence it describes the struggle of everyday Muslims to perfect their faith.

Peace Be Upon You

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

PS, i accidently cut out Peace Be Upon You when I tried to edit the quote. Hence, I wish peace upon you now.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Irish and scottish didnt go through a rough patch you idiot. Everyone went through a rough patch - it was an infant colony you retard, ...THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL COLONISTS - LIKE THE ENGLISH. EVERYONE SUFFERED. It was a prison colony! You know so little of the origins of the country you claim to be a citizen of. I suggest to you friend, that you don't consider yourself "australian' at all. You consider yourself Muslim, then lebanese then Australian - in that order.
You muslims who waltz in after all the hard work has been done, and and accuse the people who built the bloody place of being intolerant racists. Name something the Muslim community has done to benefit all Australians? and don't say 'build mosques". Why are muslims the worst behaved people in Australia? Because of your 'religion'?

No, actually the Irish and Scottish arrived after Australia was well established. There was a government, and by that time most people had been settled into farming and other land. The Irish and Scottish were subject to harassment even as late as the 1890's. And the worst behaved in Australia, I think you'll find, are the "skin heads" (quote from Aus. Media) who went on a drunknd rampage in Cronulla beating all non-Anglo people, lebanese, italians, greeks and the like. And I never accused anyone of being intolerbly racist. what i said was that the Irish had to go through a rough patch of racism, and following that they were accepted. This is a historically accurate comment, and you will find that it is coroborated by Australian historians. We were taught this in year 9 of school in Religious Education, and there were many primary and secondary sources which prove these facts. I would urge you to investigate further in these matters before claiming that my comments are false or inacurate. One thing that Muslims have done to benefit Australia? For one thing, Afghan Camaleers were the only way to communicate and send supplies through the harsh Australian deserts. Following this, a train line was built, and the train that runs on it is now called "The Ghan" and has the symbol of an Afghan on his camel on it, this is a national icon. Also, Muslim doctors come from overseas to fill in the positions in hospitals which Australian doctors cannot, and thus help the community.

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

1) Islamic jihadists are in a war to destroy the West, (2) jihad is a "central duty of every Muslim," and, (3) "No major Muslim group has ever repudiated the doctrines of armed jihad." What then is the use of screening out individual Muslim immigration applicants who have an explicit jihadist background, and letting the rest in, when every Muslim is at least a potential jihadist? Since Islamic jihadists are in a war to the death with us, and since all Muslims are enjoined to wage jihad (whether they do it actively or not), and since there is no authoritative non-jihadist Islam to forbid Muslims from waging jihad, it is a no-brainer that all mass Islamic immigration must cease, period.

[Brother Seb]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

No, they didn't even invent suicide bombing.

Credit for this goes to the Japanese, who were the first to put the idea into practise, though if you watch the 1943 film "Bataan" you will see Americans also toyed with the idea. Also, the Germans planned to use kamazazies VS D-day but eventually decided against it.

As for highjacking airplanes, the first highjackings where actually done by Tiawan VS China, with support from the CIA. Later we used the same tactic against Cuba, and after that, the rest is history.

IEDs are just command-detonated bombs, which are older than guns. They were first used to blast open castle walls, before cannons were invented.

Ah yes, but I don't believe any of these were people with bombs strapped to themselves to detonate on buses full of women and children.

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

You know, I might not be the more pious or devout of the priests...But at least I can be nice to people.

Whereas you Landover heretics spend your life on your knees and yet still have hatred towards your fellow man...

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace be upon you,

But just as the Irish and Scottish in Australia had to go through a rough patch before they were accepted in Australia,
Peace Be Upon you

Irish and scottish didnt go through a rough patch you idiot. Everyone went through a rough patch - it was an infant colony you retard, ...THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL COLONISTS - LIKE THE ENGLISH. EVERYONE SUFFERED. It was a prison colony! You know so little of the origins of the country you claim to be a citizen of. I suggest to you friend, that you don't consider yourself "australian' at all. You consider yourself Muslim, then lebanese then Australian - in that order.
You muslims who waltz in after all the hard work has been done, and and accuse the people who built the bloody place of being intolerant racists. Name something the Muslim community has done to benefit all Australians? and don't say 'build mosques". Why are muslims the worst behaved people in Australia? Because of your 'religion'?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace be upon you,

Brother I have already answered you with regards to an invention,

What part of IN THE PAST 500 YEARS don't you understand? I don't want a link to some goose-chase, just name an invention!

Zippers? - Nope! GPS? Nope! The Printing press? Nope!

what about the conflict between the Communist Chinese Government and the Tibetan Budhists? What about the conflict in Burma (Myanmar)?

Okay, but those are really more like "Buddhist hunts" than wars. Just because we disagree with the violence of Islam doesn't mean we approve of the pacifism of Buddhism. I mean, those squeamish worm-herders are just asking for trouble.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Why not? If they're a choise between "dismissing" things and "living in squalor while teaching your children to hate people who weren't even born when the injustice occured, as a way to distract them from your own failings", I would choose "dismissal" and so have all of the sucessful cultures of the world.

The Germans have "dismissed" our bombing of Dresden, and the Jews have "dismissed" the Germans who kicked them out of the homes and even outright murdered a few hundred of them. The Koreans have "dismissed" the utter destruction of their land, as have the Japanese.

I asked why Islam is in a dark age, and you have yet to answer me.



Of course I'm praying for you as I type this. You should have taken that for granted.



And if they got back their shanties and goat-hills they lost it would all be different? We'd be watching palestinian cartoons on TVs made in Palestine?

Peace Be Upon You,

Firstly Brother, my parents always taught me to love all people no matter what their faiths. Once, I was walking in my Islamic Clothes down the street and someone shouted abuse at me. I asked my dad why I should love him when he is shouting at me thus. He told me simply "Because you are muslim, that is your religion." And if you were truly praying for me than you would not be resorting to stereotypical comments and the like. I did answer your question about why Islam is in a dark age, you should go back a bit and read it. I wrote some a amount of words, and mentioned that it goes back mainly to British and French colonialism, which is also responsible for the poverty in Vietnam and other places, as well as the conflict. Colonialism inherently divides people, for divided people are easy to exploit and rule. Thanks for your comments, please read my full response earlier

Peace Be Upon you.

That is all I can post for tonight, it is quite late where I am, and whilst I would love to continue talking tonight , I must sleep so tomorrow I can study for my exams. Thanks for all your input.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

What you say is true, the suffering that is endured by Muslims, indeed anywhere in the world, has already been experienced. This does not mean it should be dismissed as repetition and therefore irrelevant.

Why not? If they're a choise between "dismissing" things and "living in squalor while teaching your children to hate people who weren't even born when the injustice occured, as a way to distract them from your own failings", I would choose "dismissal" and so have all of the sucessful cultures of the world.

The Germans have "dismissed" our bombing of Dresden, and the Jews have "dismissed" the Germans who kicked them out of the homes and even outright murdered a few hundred of them. The Koreans have "dismissed" the utter destruction of their land, as have the Japanese.

I asked why Islam is in a dark age, and you have yet to answer me.

I have read all of your arguments, and only Brother Seb I think it was gave a message of peace, by saying that he would pray for me.

Of course I'm praying for you as I type this. You should have taken that for granted.

With regard to the Palestinians, they have no support to become something.

And if they got back their shanties and goat-hills they lost it would all be different? We'd be watching palestinian cartoons on TVs made in Palestine?

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Before we end up going off topic:

1. NAME ONE THING MUSLIMS HAVE INVENTED IN THE PAST 500 YEARS.

2. SHOW ME A WAR GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE MUSLIMS.

3. SHOW ME A PLACE WHERE MUSLIMS ASSIMILATE AS WELL AS SAY, IRISH PEOPLE.

(I've never been to Austrialia, but I know enough about the ethnic friction there to know that they are not getting along as well as the Irish do. The Irish don't celebrate St. Patrick's day by raping protestant girls or beating a homeless protestant within an inch of his life, for example.)

PS Brother Thurmond, I would also add that acceptance and tolerance is key to assimilation and until this happens there will continue to be a minority of hating intolerant people.