[Brother Temperance]

Re: Question

Yes, it does make sense when you put it that way. But you use it differently. The fact that someone is not a christian doesn't mean their hellbound, UNLESS they're against Jesus.

No. All have sinned. The punishment for sin is Hell. The only way to truly repent of your sins is to accept Christ. This is hardly controversial stuff we're discussing here.

That's my point. When you say it, it means that if you're not a christian, you're a satanist. But I think I should be somehow against Jesus to be his enemy.

I think you should be with Jesus, and not be His enemy. Life's a lot easier that way.

And since there are also religions that tolerate other gods and aren't against them, then saying "If you're not against me, you're with me" means that they, too, are on the side of God.

No, they're against God, meaning that, they, um, are against God. What's so difficult to understand about that?

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

Yes, it does make sense when you put it that way. But you use it differently. The fact that someone is not a christian doesn't mean their hellbound, UNLESS they're against Jesus. That's my point. When you say it, it means that if you're not a christian, you're a satanist. But I think I should be somehow against Jesus to be his enemy. And since there are also religions that tolerate other gods and aren't against them, then saying "If you're not against me, you're with me" means that they, too, are on the side of God. And again, I ask you not to hurl insults because they are untrue and have no effect on me, you are wasting your time when insult me.

Ei näin.
Prayers for you all.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Question

And by the way, the contradiction is that Jesus says BOTH things, that if you're not with him, you're against him, AND that if you're not against him, youre with him. Sorry.

What is wrong with you, you abominable little Finndevil? That's not a contradiction, that's logic! Let's try re-phrasing this:
"If you are not a Christian, you are hellbound."
"If you are not hellbound, you are a Christian."
Are you seriously claiming that's a contraction?

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

God dwells in light
Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19

God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

There you go, contradictions.
Please, do not mock my nationality, I don't mock yours. In fact I'm not mocking you at all. And by the way, the contradiction is that Jesus says BOTH things, that if you're not with him, you're against him, AND that if you're not against him, youre with him. Sorry.

And you said it, *YOU* want me to believe in God's word, but YOU are humans. And humans can't make me believe that something written by men is the word of God.

Ei näin.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Question

I haven't read it, true. But I've read enough to tell that it is full of contradictions and I know it's written by humans. Truth or not, I can't trust it yet.

Ei näin.

Friend,

There are no contradictions in The Bible. What a silly idea. Just show us one contradiction.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Question

Hmm. Convincing. However, the books in the Bible were chosen whilst some were ruled out. So those choosing them could easily have taken ones with no contradictions to each other. And besides, the "Heretic traps" you've collected ARE contradictions.

Looks like we've caught a heretic in God's Heretic Traps.

KJV is rubbish. Anyone that says differently doesn't know a thing about scholarly work.

And anyone who denies that the KJV 1611 is the Holy Word of God doesn't know a thing about avoiding hellfire.

In fact, something these guys here use a lot is "If you aren't with me, you're against me". I can't remember in which book it was, but strangely, I found somewhere in the Bible a chapter where Jesus says "If you aren't against me, you're with me"... And if THAT isn't a contradiction, I don't know what is...

Evidently you don't know what a contradiction is. If Jesus said "If you are with me, you're against me", that'd be a contradiction. When He said "If you aren't with me, you're against me", He was just pre-emptively quoting George Bush. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh, right. Again one of these. "The Bible is true because the Bible says so and the Bible is the word of God" and so on, yada yada, I know this. The only person that can make me believe that is God. No human can make me trust a product of humans, because humans are not perfect like God.

We're not trying to make you trust a product of humans, you doomed Finnish orc! We just want you to trust the word of God!

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

I haven't read it, true. But I've read enough to tell that it is full of contradictions and I know it's written by humans. Truth or not, I can't trust it yet.

Ei näin.

[Miss Maisie]

Re: Question

Oh, right. Again one of these. "The Bible is true because the Bible says so and the Bible is the word of God" and so on, yada yada, I know this. The only person that can make me believe that is God. No human can make me trust a product of humans, because humans are not perfect like God. At least not by saying things like that. Sorry, but that was not convincing.

Ei näin.

Prayers for you all.

Hello, y'all want proof of the bible being the word of God? Read it, sugar!

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

The bible is the one true word. Many have come on this forum spouting nonsense and so-called logic, but we will not be deterred! If a person don't follow the bible, well, then, they don't go to heaven neither. Would you take that chance, and end up screaming in the flame-pit with Papa La Bas?

Oh, right. Again one of these. "The Bible is true because the Bible says so and the Bible is the word of God" and so on, yada yada, I know this. The only person that can make me believe that is God. No human can make me trust a product of humans, because humans are not perfect like God. At least not by saying things like that. Sorry, but that was not convincing.

Ei näin.

Prayers for you all.

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

I agree with you, I know it IS full of contradictions even though I haven't even read the whole Bible. I have not yet found any way to trust it. In some books, God is vengeful and unforgiving, yet some other books of the Bible tell us that we merely need to believe in God and regret our sins and we are saved. In fact, something these guys here use a lot is "If you aren't with me, you're against me". I can't remember in which book it was, but strangely, I found somewhere in the Bible a chapter where Jesus says "If you aren't against me, you're with me"... And if THAT isn't a contradiction, I don't know what is...

Prayers to you all.

[Miss Maisie]

Re: Question

I seriously just HAVE to ask this: how can you possibly trust anything that is written in the Bible? I mean, it's written by humans, not God. Humans, that make mistakes. Even if God told the writers of Bible exactly what to write, I'm sure they have made mistakes, and added something of their own. In fact, it was men that did NOT write the Bible, who decided what should be in the Bible. I sincerely want to believe everything that is written there, but I just cannot, because I cannot trust it when someone says that everything in the Bible is the word of God...

The bible is the one true word. Many have come on this forum spouting nonsense and so-called logic, but we will not be deterred! If a person don't follow the bible, well, then, they don't go to heaven neither. Would you take that chance, and end up screaming in the flame-pit with Papa La Bas?

[Father Septic Tank]

Re: Question

You'll have to forgive this Ezekiel character. He like so many other Christians are in total denial.

You know as well as anyone else that has the ability to read that the BIble is full of contradictions. This is because a lot of the books were written WAY after the stories actually happened.

They will tell you here to use the KJV1611.....which is arguably the WORST version of the Bible that you could use. King James fudged the language big time. IT is not a literal translation.

IF you want to BEST versions of the BIble I would recommend learning Hebrew and reading the Bible.

KJV is rubbish. Anyone that says differently doesn't know a thing about scholarly work.

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

Hmm. Convincing. However, the books in the Bible were chosen whilst some were ruled out. So those choosing them could easily have taken ones with no contradictions to each other. And besides, the "Heretic traps" you've collected ARE contradictions. And the story, or truth, about ous Savior Christ has been recorded by humans. Which makes it untrustworthy to me.
You have, however, strengthened my faith in the Bible and given me a lot to think about. I thank you for that.

Prayers to you all.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Question

Every single prophecy in the KJV Bible has come true! Take a look at THIS!

No one could fake those.

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

They are contradictions, because they tell the opposite things. You quoted something written by a man, not God. You tell me to believe what MEN have written. You tell me God has told you can trust it. A human tells me God says I can trust the Bible. And, you quoted about satan's lies. How can I trust the Bible isn't one of them? How can I trust YOU aren't lying? Please, tell me, because I wish to believe you. Oh, and we do not worship moomins.

Prayers for you all.