[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

your picture is rather attractive, perhaps we could meet up some time

Get thee behind me, Satan!
I am not now, nor have I ever been since finding Jesus, a disgusting abomination who turns against my natural use by indulging in depravities with other women!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

So, in other words, the lost have to come to you in order to be saved?

Mark 1:17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

What part of the term "outreach ministries" are you misunderstanding? An outreach ministry is how we reach out, to minister.

You have missunderstood me, but I do see where it could seem that is what I was trying to say. No, I still believe in the Old Testement, and I follow the Ten Commandments. I do not believe in Adultry, nor murder, to theft, nor idolitry.

That's a step forward.

However, I do recall Christ saying that certian laws in Leviticus are considered "Old Law" since he came to earth and live and die for our sins.

All of the laws still apply to Jewish people. The ceremonial laws do not apply (and never did apply) to the Gentiles. Each law that does not apply to the Gentiles is mentioned explicitly in the New Testament.

Also, I have read the whole bible, and there is one verse that always sticks out.

1 John 4:7-12
[7] Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
[8] He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
[9] In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
[10] Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
[11] Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
[12] No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

To that, I can only say Amen. I am full of God's love. God's love is the exact opposite of political correct "tolerance". I will not tolerate sin, and I will do everything I can to help the sinner get saved.

I have always lived my Christian life believing that you catch more flies with Sugar than you do with vinegar. I let people know the minute I meet them that I am a Christian. Then, by showing love to all people and not passing Judgement on them, they want to find out more about my faith.

The flies/sugar/vinegar analogy doesn't work. There is a time for both methods. Sometimes strong language is required to wake someone up. Jesus wasn't afraid to use strong language when He needed to.

It is not only a Pastors job to bring people to Christ, it is every Christian's job, and I take my job seriously. I treat everyone with respect and dignity, while also letting them know why I don't agree with certian lifestyles they choose, all the while, never passing judgement on them.

You hate the sin but love the sinner, just like us.

If you tell someone you don't agree with their lifestyle choice, then haven't you passed judgment? You might say that you aren't judging the person -- you are only judging the choice they make about who they are.

However, the sinner whose lifestyle you are judging will not be able to split the same hair, and will believe that you are judging them as a person. Sinners are so enslaved to sin, that they define themselves by their sin. So if you are judging their lifestyle choice, then in their eyes, you are judging them as well.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[QueenWink]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

Congregation, please be seated and open your prayer guides to the book of revelations, psalm 69.

1 Save me, O God; for the waters are come in unto my soul.

2 I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me.

3 I am weary of my crying: my throat is dried: mine eyes fail while I wait for my God.

4 They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.

5 O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

6 Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord GOD of hosts, be ashamed for my sake: let not those that seek thee be confounded for my sake, O God of Israel.

7 Because for thy sake I have borne reproach; shame hath covered my face.

8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.

10 When I wept, and chastened my soul with fasting, that was to my reproach.

11 I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them.

12 They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards.

13 But as for me, my prayer is unto thee, O LORD, in an acceptable time: O God, in the multitude of thy mercy hear me, in the truth of thy salvation.

14 Deliver me out of the mire, and let me not sink: let me be delivered from them that hate me, and out of the deep waters.

15 Let not the waterflood overflow me, neither let the deep swallow me up, and let not the pit shut her mouth upon me.

16 Hear me, O LORD; for thy lovingkindness is good: turn unto me according to the multitude of thy tender mercies.

17 And hide not thy face from thy servant; for I am in trouble: hear me speedily.

18 Draw nigh unto my soul, and redeem it: deliver me because of mine enemies.

19 Thou hast known my reproach, and my shame, and my dishonour: mine adversaries are all before thee.

20 Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.

21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

22 Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.

23 Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.

24 Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.

25 Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.

26 For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.

27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.

28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

29 But I am poor and sorrowful: let thy salvation, O God, set me up on high.

30 I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with thanksgiving.

31 This also shall please the LORD better than an ox or bullock that hath horns and hoofs.

32 The humble shall see this, and be glad: and your heart shall live that seek God.

33 For the LORD heareth the poor, and despiseth not his prisoners.

34 Let the heaven and earth praise him, the seas, and every thing that moveth therein.

35 For God will save Zion, and will build the cities of Judah: that they may dwell there, and have it in possession.

36 The seed also of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein.

[trixiephatmon]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

Yes, I know all of this. I do not see how it helps your case that the KJV 1611 was around before 1492.

The point that I was making was that God did not write the KJV Bible, nor was it written for Americans, but for the European Catholic Church, so that they could have one uniformed Bible to use.

The point of being Christian is to accept that you are a depraved, wretched sinner, and to understand that nothing you can do is good enough to impress God. You cannot get into Heaven through your own good works, even if you are trying "to be like Christ."

If you had read other posts of mine, you would have seen that I have constanly said that they only way to be saved and go to Heaven was to accept Christ as you personal Savior and King. He is the way, the truth, and the light. No man goeth unto the Father but by Him. However, once you are a "Christian" you strive to be "christ-like" in your actions.

We have outreach ministries to help us reach the lost. However, we are not to invite the unsaved into our homes or churches.

So, in other words, the lost have to come to you in order to be saved?

Mark 1:17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

However, if I understand your earlier posts, you seem to think that this means that Jesus completely did away with the Old Testament law, and that adultery is not a sin now. Please correct me if I have misunderstood you.

You have missunderstood me, but I do see where it could seem that is what I was trying to say. No, I still believe in the Old Testement, and I follow the Ten Commandments. I do not believe in Adultry, nor murder, to theft, nor idolitry. However, I do recall Christ saying that certian laws in Leviticus are considered "Old Law" since he came to earth and live and die for our sins.


Also, I have read the whole bible, and there is one verse that always sticks out.

1 John 4:7-12
[7] Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
[8] He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
[9] In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
[10] Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
[11] Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
[12] No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

I have always lived my Christian life believing that you catch more flies with Sugar than you do with vinegar. I let people know the minute I meet them that I am a Christian. Then, by showing love to all people and not passing Judgement on them, they want to find out more about my faith. It is not only a Pastors job to bring people to Christ, it is every Christian's job, and I take my job seriously. I treat everyone with respect and dignity, while also letting them know why I don't agree with certian lifestyles they choose, all the while, never passing judgement on them.

You may pray for me all you want, but do not pray for my salvation, for I have already found it. Instead, pray that we can all understand and respect each other instead of treating each other like garbage.

[trixiephatmon]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

If anyone would like to see other pictures from out production of the Rocky Horror show, please go to my myspace page, www.myspace.com/jaceycornell and look at my pics.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

I did a little digging on the KJV 1611, just for kicks. thought you would all like to see it. http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html

Yes, I know all of this. I do not see how it helps your case that the KJV 1611 was around before 1492.

The whole point is that your church is constanly saying that you are the only True Christians in America and probably the world, yet the meaning of the word Christian is "to be like Christ."

The point of being Christian is to accept that you are a depraved, wretched sinner, and to understand that nothing you can do is good enough to impress God. You cannot get into Heaven through your own good works, even if you are trying "to be like Christ."

You cannot be saved until the Holy Ghost has to convict you of your sins, and you repent from your sins and do not return to them. A person who is saved will do good works as a natural consequence, but good works will not get you saved.

I believe it was Christ who ate supper with the sinners, not the church officials.

We have outreach ministries to help us reach the lost. However, we are not to invite the unsaved into our homes or churches.

2 John 10-11
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I believe it was Christ who gave the adultress reprieve when the church elders brought her forth to be executed according to Moses Law by telling them that he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

Yes, He did, and we no longer stone adulteresses to death. However, if I understand your earlier posts, you seem to think that this means that Jesus completely did away with the Old Testament law, and that adultery is not a sin now. Please correct me if I have misunderstood you.

And, I believe it was Christ who said to love they neighbor as thyself.

I believe it is your church who is casting away "sinners" and wanting nothing to do with them, other than to poke fun at them all day.

I believe it is your church who is calling people whores and fags and "fat pasty-faced goths" instead of reilizing that yourself are not without sin and have no right to judge anyone else, lest ye be judged.

Since you don't have time to read the whole Bible, please try to find time to read our FAQ. You can find the link in my signature.

If you had read your Bible, or our FAQ, then you would know the following:

• Born again Christians are without sin, because Jesus has forgiven our sins and washed them away.
• The word neighbors is defined in the Bible. Our neighbors are our fellow Christians.
• We love sinners, and try to save them. The language we use is no harsher than the language Jesus used in His fiery sermon in Matthew 23.
• Christians are COMMANDED to judge others. My job as a pastor is to get folks saved. If I am not allowed to judge whether someone is in need of salvation, how am I supposed to find folks in need? If you had read Matthew 7:1 in context, you would know that it is a prohibition against hypocrisy, not judgment.

And I believe it is your church who wants nothing to do with anyone who does not believe the same as the brainwashed people of your church.

That would be God who doesn't want us to have anything to do with the unsaved.

II Cor 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

I will be praying for you and the people of your church that you may all come to know true , open minded, and understanding salvation through Jesus Christ!

Thanks! I'll take all the prayers I can get. I'm already saved through the Grace of Jesus Christ, but more prayers can't hurt.

If you don't mind, I will pray the same prayer for you.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Alky: Child of Baccus]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

Friend, you come on one of the most secure internet sites on the planet and you think we don't know who you are? You really are naive.

If you want to continue to deny the goth thing, maybe we could tell our members the little story of you, a dog and a big bag of greased jelly beans.

Your choice.

I'm sorry, but being goth has little if anything to do with a dog and a bag of greased jelly beans. You scare me. I'm glad for the girls on here that are Pagan and different. They have enough of a backboke to stand up to people who would hurt them.

That horsecrap don't wash with me, son. Your kind are the best type of liars, because you lie for Satan himself. ALL Goths are homosexuals, even the straight ones.

You know, I recently received a letter from a concerned parent on this very subject. In it she told me -

'Rev Green, You say all Goths are freaks, perverts and homosexuals. Well my son is a Goth, but he is a decent kid who has a girlfriend. They seem like very happy and well adjusted teenagers.'

I did find it very sad that this poor parent was being so badly brainwashed into believing evey goth lie she was being force-fed. Here is my reply to her -

Thank you for your letter. You may not realize it, but you have just hit the nail on the head. They ‘seem’ like well adjusted teenagers. Yes, your son may indeed have a girlfriend, and everything may ‘seem’ normal to you. But do you monitor his every move? NO! Because I would be willing to bet that when you are not around he gets up to all sorts of sick twisted perversions. He probably has 2 or 3 male friends who anally rape him on a regular basis. He also probably drinks babies’ blood, and engages in orgies with animals, some of whom will be dead. His girlfriend is probably having lesbian sex with many of her so-called ‘harmless’ Gothic friends also. ALL Goths are deviants. Make no mistake - your son is in very real danger here.

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See, We know your kind better than you think. I hope you get the mental help you need.

Rev RG Green

I am NOT a BOY! The name is Aki, and it means fall in Japanese. My avatar is the character Freya from Chobits. SHE is FEMALE!

I don't believe in Satan being that I am Wiccan. I believe, however, that there is a duality (for the simple minded: a light and a dark side) to every religion and life.

How can you honestly say that the straight goths are also homosexual in the same sentence. This is the type of wording that made me separate from the church once and for all.

In society, I know several hard working straight goth people who do not participate in any party of any sort including dinners at the homes of friends and don't have a love. They just want to spend life being as useful to corporate America until their god reveals their destined love to them. Most also don't have pets. Do your research on demographics.

Indeed most goths are deviants just not in the way you think. I'll quote the Broadway show RENT by Johnathan Larson: "Viva la vie bohem!" Take a listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czJHTEeEJmU. View and listen for the content.

Let's get one thing straight here, these filthy retards are not even human. They are worthless slobbering stammering stuttering piecies of excrement. An abomination to God. They are a burden on our economy. They are a burden on the poor mothers who bore them, though I have no doubt those mothers must have done something to deserve such deformed repulsive babies. They were probably whores, fornicators, alcoholics, wiccans, satanists, losers, junkies, homosexuals or Jews to have been cursed with twisted limbless demon children like that. You would never catch a True Christian giving birth to one of these defective mongeloid monsters.

I have family members who are devout christians who had beautiful but mentaly retarded children. These souls, if given the right attention and education, become the greatest artists and workers I know. They're only more gifted and intelligent than you are.

I would be an actor, who was doing a show at the time that picture was takin. As for being fat, I am and proud of it. I am also beautiful, made in the image of god. And my "false" church happens to be a part of the Southern Baptist Convention, what kind of Baptist Church do you have?

Trixie, dear, would you please post the pic of my from our production of Richard O'Brien's The Rocky Horror Show? If they thought you were goth....

I was in the same production and the costume design was from the goth glam based on the band KISS and that era of music. It was one of the most provocative of its time and still is. It was also one of the funnest shows that I have had the pleasure of performing in. Look it up on YouTube.

Also, Trixie, you are a beautiful woman with many redeeming features. I am proud to call you a friend.

Paganism and Wiccan has nothing to do with Satanists
my stupid, brainwashed friend, perhaps it is better that you actually learn about these before you cast biased judgment

your picture is rather attractive, perhaps we could meet up some time

Thank you, Meserti. As a Wiccan, I'll reiterate, I do not believe in Satan but rather acknowledge the dark side of all things in this world. I practice healings and what would be considered light magic.

[QueenWink]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

You don't believe that God punishes sinners? What about the tsunami that took out all of the Swedish child-sex tourists in Phuket, Thailand? What about the Hurricane that devastated New Orleans less than a week before the city was supposed to host a "Gay Pride" celebration? What about the time God lifted the veil of protection and allowed the terrorists to destroy the World Trade Center to punish the US for its tolerance of feminism, gay rights, and witchcraft?

Are you missing the pattern here?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

I do not believe in god. Why would I believe that I would be punished by something which does not exist? I wouldn't and I don't.

Furthermore if these naturally occuring disasters were actually the work of god, then why doesn't a disaster occur for all the times there are Swedish child-sex tourist touring, for every Gay Pride parade that is being celebrated, for feminism that strongly exists still, for the witches that continue their witchcraft?
If god was in existence and wanted to rid the world of all these things you see as evil, then I assure you'd be building yourself a little boaty for your cult of true christians and I would be drowning as he flood the world with his punishment.
Last I checked I'm dry, warm, and living. Your god must not care that I am flaunting my "evils" in front of you and himself, but I didn't think he would since he does not exist.

[trixiephatmon]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

Paganism and Wiccan has nothing to do with Satanists
my stupid, brainwashed friend, perhaps it is better that you actually learn about these before you cast biased judgment

your picture is rather attractive, perhaps we could meet up some time

There are plenty of excellent KJV1611 websites, but this one is God's favorite.

my point was that you are telling people that God wrote the KJV1611 for Americans. The Bible was TRANSLATED in Enlgland so the English Catholic Churches could have one uniformed bible that they use.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I did a little digging on the KJV 1611, just for kicks. thought you would all like to see it. http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html

There are plenty of excellent KJV1611 websites, but this one is God's favorite.

[trixiephatmon]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

Hello friend, have you ever taken a history class in school?

America was discovered in 1492. The KJV 1611 was written in 1611. 1611 - 1492 = 119 which means America was discovered BEFORE the KJV was written, and not the other way around.

I guess this is what happens when you send kids to public schools instead of homeschooling.

I did a little digging on the KJV 1611, just for kicks. thought you would all like to see it. http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

I said that I do not believe in "God's" lightening. You are taking my words out of context and misusing them. I am fully aware of the existence of lightening and electricity and whatnot. What I disbelieve is the punishment that your god is going to give to sinners.

You don't believe that God punishes sinners? What about the tsunami that took out all of the Swedish child-sex tourists in Phuket, Thailand? What about the Hurricane that devastated New Orleans less than a week before the city was supposed to host a "Gay Pride" celebration? What about the time God lifted the veil of protection and allowed the terrorists to destroy the World Trade Center to punish the US for its tolerance of feminism, gay rights, and witchcraft?

Are you missing the pattern here?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[QueenWink]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

Wait a minute -- not only do not believe in God, but you also believe in lightning either? Are you also a product of the public schools?

Lightning is made of electricity -- Ben Franklin proved that with a kite and a key. Do you disbelieve in electricity too? I know you said that you are a paeaegaan -- does that mean you think your toaster is powered by aethearael majgickque?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

I said that I do not believe in "God's" lightening. You are taking my words out of context and misusing them. I am fully aware of the existence of lightening and electricity and whatnot. What I disbelieve is the punishment that your god is going to give to sinners.

If you knew anything about Paganism, then you would have known that lightening is often depicted as the fifth element represented on the pentacle.

[trixiephatmon]

Re: I'm A Goth: Is That Bad?

I have never said anything hateful to you. I did not call you names with false reason. I did not continual soak in my own pride thinking I'm better than you. I did none of these things.

You, however, are in a whole different category.

Are you really going to cast aside your neighbor?

Very well said Queen.

The whole point is that your church is constanly saying that you are the only True Christians in America and probably the world, yet the meaning of the word Christian is "to be like Christ."

I believe it was Christ who ate supper with the sinners, not the church officials.

I believe it was Christ who gave the adultress reprieve when the church elders brought her forth to be executed according to Moses Law by telling them that he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

I believe it was Christ who healed the blind, the lepers, and even the lame so that they may be well again.

And, I believe it was Christ who said to love they neighbor as thyself.

I believe it is your church who is casting away "sinners" and wanting nothing to do with them, other than to poke fun at them all day.

I believe it is your church who is calling people whores and fags and "fat pasty-faced goths" instead of reilizing that yourself are not without sin and have no right to judge anyone else, lest ye be judged.

I believe it is your church who said that God hates all retards, cripples, lames, and otherwise handicapped people and has condemned them all to hell.

And I believe it is your church who wants nothing to do with anyone who does not believe the same as the brainwashed people of your church.

I will be praying for you and the people of your church that you may all come to know true , open minded, and understanding salvation through Jesus Christ!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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The KJV of the bible has been around LONG before America was EVER even close to being discovered.

Hello friend, have you ever taken a history class in school?

America was discovered in 1492. The KJV 1611 was written in 1611. 1611 - 1492 = 119 which means America was discovered BEFORE the KJV was written, and not the other way around.

I guess this is what happens when you send kids to public schools instead of homeschooling.

Where is God's lightening to strike me down? Its nowhere because it does not exist and never has existed.

Wait a minute -- not only do not believe in God, but you don't believe in lightning either? Are you also a product of the public schools?

Lightning is made of electricity -- Ben Franklin proved that with a kite and a key. Do you disbelieve in electricity too? I know you said that you are a paeaegaan -- does that mean you think your toaster is powered by aethearael majgickque?

Pastor Billy-Reuben