[IbelieveIknowwhat?]

Re: REJECTION!

Either they're the same or they aren't. We disbelieve in other religions because the Bible tells us to. Now, either you reject Christ because the Bible tells you to (in which case you're insane), or you don't, in which case your reasons aren't the same, in which case you're a liar.

I dont reject your god because of your book. i dont reject anything, i disbelieve in your god because i can draw my own conclusions, and your book dosnt let me do that.

[Brother Temperance]

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you still dont understand.
I disbelieve in yours for much the same reasons you disbelieve in mine. except my reasons, are much more.....reasonable.

Either they're the same or they aren't. We disbelieve in other religions because the Bible tells us to. Now, either you reject Christ because the Bible tells you to (in which case you're insane), or you don't, in which case your reasons aren't the same, in which case you're a liar.

[IbelieveIknowwhat?]

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you still dont understand.
I disbelieve in yours for much the same reasons you disbelieve in mine. except my reasons, are much more.....reasonable.

[Brother Temperance]

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thats called BLIND faith, i do have faith, not in the same things you do, and its NOT blind, and not just something told me so.
this proves its not blind, they have .......OMG PROOF
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/sc...nd-fossil.html

So God's Word isn't proof, but some mouldy old bones are? If I go digging through a negro's trash and find some chicken bones from a bucket of KFC, will that convert you to Christianity? Because if that's that it takes, then I'm willing to do it.

according to your philosiphy, you "bible" is no more factual my my bones.

Did you just claim that God Himself wrote your bones?

did you know that people make the words of jesus, thay just sit there with a bunch of words and fit them together to make abuch of cra and hen.

I'm not sure what kind of measurement of quantity an "abuch" is, nor do I know what a "cra" is or why you'd want to pair it with a hen. Is that an incantation for some sort of wicker spell?

I think "abuch of cra and hen" is an old Welsh recipe. Friend, here at Landover we are Godly, clean-living people, and we do not engage in Welsh cooking!

remind me again how im a liar
??

You claimed that "as soon as [we] understand why [we] disbelieve and rejecty all other gods and religions, [we] will understand why [you] disbelieve in [ours]." Sister Mary showed that it is perfectly possible to understand why we "disbelieve and rejecty all other gods and religions", without understanding why you disbelieve in ours. Therefore, your statement was a lie. Now do you understand?

[IbelieveIknowwhat?]

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Much easier said than done. It'd be easier to take an advanced physics class from a Belorussian meth addict than it is to read one of your borderline literate posts.

but you wouldnt take an advanced physics class cause that would be secular wouldn't it? but since you can make half way intelligent replies, that tells me you can understand me JUST fine.

[Wash O'Hanley]

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i think youd find it helpful to actually READ the EXACT words i say next time before you call me a liar.

Much easier said than done. It'd be easier to take an advanced physics class from a Belorussian meth addict than it is to read one of your borderline literate posts.

[IbelieveIknowwhat?]

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i NEVER said i rejected ANYTHING. the thread is called rejection cause thats what you do constantly. i disbelieve in your god,idont reject it. i think youd find it helpful to actually READ the EXACT words i say next time before you call me a liar.
Disbelieve=I dont believe that he is my god
Reject=I dont believe he is real to anyone.

[One-eyed Jack]

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Well, for one example, you just wrote "I don't reject anything".

Your thread is titled "REJECTION" and throughout it you base your position on rejecting God.

Think before you type. If you type stuff like "I don't reject anything" after rejecting a whole belief-system, expect someone to call you a liar.

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O Lord, lead us in the ways of Thy righteous mind. Lead us poor miserable sinners to right thought, right action, and right understanding. Let not the snares and lime-twigs of Satan trap us like the lowly garden-finch is trapped by the rotten French (who eat the tiny birds whole, guts and all! It's disgusting!).

Lead us to think clearly, O Lord, and not write "too" when we should write "to", or "your" instead of "you're", like the damned illiterate heathens. In the beginning was the Word, O Lord, and the Word was God. So if we mangle our words like a chimp with its feet caught in a typewriter, we seem to mangle our Lord Himself.

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Now buckle up and think straight, IBelieveIKnow, and quite being lazy.

~~ OEJ

[IbelieveIknowwhat?]

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remind me again how im a liar
??

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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so my finger hit the y key and i didnt care enough to delete it, big f'n deal. Correction, your god tells you too. mine doesn't. I dont reject anything, i disbelieve in your god not because of your bible, just because i thought for myself and not for another and came to my own conclusions, i didnt listen to some old guy in a dress standing at an alter for his crazy ass words just because my daddy and mommy told me so.

Then on top of your other multiple sins and retardations, you're a liar!

"As soon as you understand why you disbelieve and rejecty all other gods and religions, you will understand why i disbelieve in yours."

We reject false gods because God tells us to, and you reject God because you're full of hatred and self-loathing. They have nothing to do with each other at all!

[IbelieveIknowwhat?]

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We're not going to send you to Hell. That would be God's job. Anyway, you say you've never read the Bible, and I do find that easy to believe. After all, judging by your "spelling" I find it hard to believe you can get through a supermarket flier without moving your lips.
However, this is the challenge you presented to us in your first post...

We "disbelieve and rejecty" all false gods and religions because God tells us to through His Holy Word, the Bible. By your poorly constructed words and them alone, we are to understand that because we reject them through God and the Bible, you reject God because of the Bible. Yet you say you've never read the Bible.
I strongly suspect you have no idea what you're trying to say, which makes perfect sense as Satan has such a firm grasp on your faculties.

so my finger hit the y key and i didnt care enough to delete it, big f'n deal. Correction, your god tells you too. mine doesn't. I dont reject anything, i disbelieve in your god not because of your bible, just because i thought for myself and not for another and came to my own conclusions, i didnt listen to some old guy in a dress standing at an alter for his crazy ass words just because my daddy and mommy told me so.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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I never said it did, and im not misunderstanding anything from that thing, ive never read it, dont have to have to go on living with out any feeling of guilt, and g ahead send me to hell, i bet ill have more fun ther living with people like einstein and aristotle and darwin and other great FREE thinkers like them.

We're not going to send you to Hell. That would be God's job. Anyway, you say you've never read the Bible, and I do find that easy to believe. After all, judging by your "spelling" I find it hard to believe you can get through a supermarket flier without moving your lips.
However, this is the challenge you presented to us in your first post...

As soon as you understand why you disbelieve and rejecty all other gods and religions, you will understand why i disbelieve in yours.

We "disbelieve and rejecty" all false gods and religions because God tells us to through His Holy Word, the Bible. By your poorly constructed words and them alone, we are to understand that because we reject them through God and the Bible, you reject God because of the Bible. Yet you say you've never read the Bible.
I strongly suspect you have no idea what you're trying to say, which makes perfect sense as Satan has such a firm grasp on your faculties.

[One-eyed Jack]

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No: what I am saying is, you will get nowhere arguing logic against faith.

Wrong approach!

Suppose I was trying to convince a liberal Presbyterian that his religion is flawed. (Presbyterians are false Christians, so I feel no concern about whupping it up on their version of faith.)

First, I know he has faith in God. Second, I know that because he is a liberal he has faith in certain ideas about good and evil. For example, he almost certainly believes it is evil to kill other people just because they believe differently.

So, I set up a line of argument which pits one thing he takes on faith against another thing he takes on faith.

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Me: "Say, Brother Presby, a Hare Krishna handed me some religious literature in the airport the other day. And you know what God says about that."

Presby: "Er, we are to love our brothers. That is Christ's teaching."

Me: "But the Lord clearly commands us to kill those who proselytize for false gods."

Presby: "That law -- it is in Leviticus, I think -- was for the people of Israel. It is not meant for today."

Me: "But I do not understand, Brother Presby. Surely God's love and justice is eternal?"

Presby: "Yes, of course."

Me: "Then how can it be that killing a Hare Krishna is evil today, but killing the same Hare Krishna would have been good 3000 years ago? Is it not the death of a man, no matter what? Does he not suffer, and cry out in his extremity, and die at last no matter what?"

Presby: "Er, that law was, um, necessary to protect the early Israelites against, um, foreign agitators..."

Me: "Was not God powerful enough to protect them?"

Presby: "Uh, God must have had His reasons for the old law. He could not have commanded His people to work evil...But anyway, Jesus changed all the old laws."

Me: "Oh, Brother Presby...did Jesus not say that He did not come to abolish the law, and that not one jot nor tittle would pass from God's law until the world was ended?"

Presby: "He must have been speaking metaphorically. Or telling a joke."

Me: "How are we to understand God if we do not take Jesus seriously, and believe that He meant just what He said? How can God's law be eternal -- as Jesus said, lasting until the end of the world -- and yet in one century demand the killing of a man and in another century spare his life? It is not right, Brother Presby. Something is badly wrong here."
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You work within the system of faith. Pit belief in God against belief in moral goodness. Pit belief against belief, faith against faith. You can almost NEVER defeat a faith-based belief system by using a frontal assault with logic and reason.

When you grow up this technique -- working within a belief system and finding its internal contradictions -- may come in useful. Or it may not.

I think I'm wasting my time with you, actually. But you never know, maybe some good will come of it.

Moreover as for me, God forbid that I should sin against the LORD in ceasing to pray for you: but I will teach you the good and the right way. 1 Samuel 12:23

~~ OEJ

Addendum: I have to go now. I'll reply tomorrow perhaps.

[IbelieveIknowwhat?]

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But you see, nothing you've written has been coherent.

Your thoughts may make sense inside your head, but if you cannot communicate your thoughts clearly then as far as the rest of the world is concerned your thoughts are incoherent.

1. Christians are people of faith. Not logic. Not reason. Faith.

2. For Christians, the primary article of our faith is that we are right and all competing belief systems are wrong. (See my previous post on the mutual exclusivity of metaphysical beliefs.)

Now, from these two points flow simple consequences: You cannot argue logically

you can hit me with logic when you just said "Christians are people of faith. Not logic. Not reason."

that a Christian should devalue his belief system because other people -- Muslims, say -- believe something different with just as much fervor as Christians do.

Remember, Christians are people of faith. You cannot use reason to attack their faith: it is not an effective tactic. And their faith says that they are right...and everyone else is wrong.

Arguments like yours, even if expressed coherently, have almost no effect on a practicing Christian. They do not appeal to his faith, his "organ of religion"; they appeal to reason. And again: Christians are not people of reason, they are people of faith.

Now as far as I am concerned, you are badly in need of a spanking.

ya youd want to spank me you dirty boy

You appear to be impolite, snotty, illiterate, and itchin' for a fight. I, on the other hand, am a foul wreck of a man who lives in the mud under an old covered bridge, eats castoff cabbages, farts incessantly, and has huge tufts of hair growing from his ears and nose. When I go into the local market to buy my Ex-Lax mothers scream and cover their childrens' eyes, grown men turn pale, dogs howl, cats auto-eviscerate, and chickens shed their feathers from pure disgust.

But you can try to make me feel bad about myself if you want... You'll have to choose the right words, though.

How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove?

Do ye imagine to reprove words, and the speeches of one that is desperate, which are as wind? Job 6:25, 26


Praise ye the Lord!

~~ OEJ

so what your saying is that no matter what happens you just stay the way you are and never change even in a million years?

[One-eyed Jack]

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But you see, nothing you've written has been coherent.

Your thoughts may make sense inside your head, but if you cannot communicate your thoughts clearly then as far as the rest of the world is concerned your thoughts are incoherent.

1. Christians are people of faith. Not logic. Not reason. Faith.

2. For Christians, the primary article of our faith is that we are right and all competing belief systems are wrong. (See my previous post on the mutual exclusivity of metaphysical beliefs.)

Now, from these two points flow simple consequences: You cannot argue logically that a Christian should devalue his belief system because other people -- Muslims, say -- believe something different with just as much fervor as Christians do.

Remember, Christians are people of faith. You cannot use reason to attack their faith: it is not an effective tactic. And their faith says that they are right...and everyone else is wrong.

Arguments like yours, even if expressed coherently, have almost no effect on a practicing Christian. They do not appeal to his faith, his "organ of religion"; they appeal to reason. And again: Christians are not people of reason, they are people of faith.

Now as far as I am concerned, you are badly in need of a spanking. You appear to be impolite, snotty, illiterate, and itchin' for a fight. I, on the other hand, am a foul wreck of a man who lives in the mud under an old covered bridge, eats castoff cabbages, farts incessantly, and has huge tufts of hair growing from his ears and nose. When I go into the local market to buy my Ex-Lax mothers scream and cover their childrens' eyes, grown men turn pale, dogs howl, cats auto-eviscerate, and chickens shed their feathers from pure disgust.

But you can try to make me feel bad about myself if you want... You'll have to choose the right words, though.

How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove?

Do ye imagine to reprove words, and the speeches of one that is desperate, which are as wind? Job 6:25, 26


Praise ye the Lord!

~~ OEJ