[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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You are all idiots. Gordon B. Hinkley was an amazing man.

He certainly amazed me with his capacity for believing in invented rubbish.

But then I reckon he made a lot of money out of his flock of satanists - which, for him, was probably the main thing.

[Mormon]

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You are all idiots. Gordon B. Hinkley was an amazing man. My church gives more to charity than any of yours. Where does your tithing go? To your crazy ministers. Ours goes to the poor to actually help build up the world. You all are sooo ignorant it makes me sick.

[Justin Bill]

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I don't believe in predestination. I believe that, if a person is saved, it means he accepted God's grace in life and either did not lose it through sin, or if they did, by repenting with a resolve not to do it again.

This is completely off the subject thread, didn't you hear,, and did not raise from the dead. for the 15nth time in modern history, a leader of the mormon faith has died and not come back from the dead, refuting their "plan" of resurection of physical bodies.

I honestly can't tell you how boring these old farts are, how many sundays i was forced to listen to their BS stories about how the lord influenced their lives, and how God showed then that their faith was the true faith.

what i really was always amazaed at was the prophets of the church always loved to quote not the bible, but readers digest...

screw kolob!!

Priase the non mormon Jesus!!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Dear brother EB;

I've always thought that when Jesus let the adulterous woman go, that he made it so she couldn't sin.
YIC
V

Most helpful Brother V, I agree – sins forgiven, no sinning again – Job done!

Yet, as I re-read the chapter, there is a second point here; “Was it a coincidence that Jesus should have been around at the time?” I think not.

Christ needed to point out to the Jews that they had a blood lust – a blood lust that would eventually lead to his temporary death - John 8:20, 37 etc.

Here we see that the woman’s life was entirely pre-ordained such that she would be taken without accusers by the Jews, at that very time when Jesus arrived. Christ then the ties up Jews in knots demonstrating what murderous, treacherous, lying creatures they were, are and will be.

Christ forgives the woman her sins and prevents her from sinning again as she was part of God's well laid out plan.

Only Christ God could have known of the circumstances in advance and arranged to be there. Only Christ God knows what the Jews will do.

The only reasonable conclusion is pre-ordination.

Amen

Bathfire E

[Brother V]

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Here are the verses where God is doing some forcing – you will note that the person being commanded has no choice in the matter (albeit, nowhere are the results particularly onerous):
Amen

Bathfire E

Dear brother EB;

I've always thought that when Jesus let the adulterous woman go, that he made it so she couldn't sin.

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

He didn't say please. He didn't say if you want. Jesus said Go, and sin no more. If Jesus said Go and sin no more to me, I'd be sin free.

YIC
V

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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IHe COULD force us not to sin anymore...

Mr Martin,

Your statement has raise my ire! You say, “He COULD force us not to sin anymore.”

So, to save us from the Eternal Burning Pit of Sulfur and the endless Torments of Demons, he doesn’t bother forcing us? Us, Mankind, His Creation? We to whom He gave dominion over the things of the Earth?



Now why might that be?

Here are the verses where God is doing some forcing – you will note that the person being commanded has no choice in the matter (albeit, nowhere are the results particularly onerous):

J'g:5:13: Then he made him that remaineth have dominion over the nobles among the people: the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty.
1Ch:28:19: All this, said David, the LORD made me understand in writing by his hand upon me, even all the works of this pattern.
2Ch:26:5: And he sought God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding in the visions of God: and as long as he sought the LORD, God made him to prosper.
Ne:13:26: Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? Yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin.

Above is the Biblical canon of the Lord forcing things. Again, Mr Martin, if The Lord God of Hosts is sparse with His forcing and only seems to use it on what are, relatively minor matters, why does He not force Mankind to cease from sin, which surely is an important matter?

It is simple! He doesn’t need to force us! We are created in His image and have so many of his traits. Can it then be so surprising that we are doing His will anyway! It’s preordination!

Amen

Bathfire E

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I don't believe in predestination. I believe that, if a person is saved, it means he accepted God's grace in life and either did not lose it through sin, or if they did, by repenting with a resolve not to do it again. And, if a person is damned, it means he was offered God's grace and refused.

And by the way, have you ever read James 2:14-26?

Yes, God COULD take away our free will...He COULD force us not to sin anymore...But He loves us, and wants us to get in through His grace, which is maintained through our keeping away from sin.

Of course the entire congregation at LBC have read James 2:14-26 but we also look to

Rom 3:1-20
Gal 2:16
Gal 3:11,12

and you might find the most informative:

Rom 4:2 “For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.”



And on the subject of predestination:

God creates the tree of Knowledge. God, omnipotent, knows Eve will sin. He has created the Serpent, who He knows will tempt Eve successfully. God watches it happen, as He knew it would.

But your idea of God, unsubstantiated, as far as I can see, is that God loves us so much that He is not bothered who roasts in Hell Fire and it’s all a bit of a lottery.

Incredibly, you are suggesting that (apart from LBC, the One True Religion™) He has handed out the “free will” to create false religions to fool the people.

Now, a body-count of the Bible will show that God, in his mercy and wisdom, has killed or ordered the killing of millions. Do you really think that he felt bad about the slaughtered? And shrugs, saying, “It is free-will”? Has He given us “free will”, rather than pre-ordaining His World? Preordination would at least account for the deaths in a sensible way.

God, Mr Martin, does not play dice! (©Einstein)

What sort of God would that be Who gave us free-will? It sounds rather like the parent who says to his child who is obsessively fascinated with High Tension Wires,

“Oh, Johnny, don’t go fiddling with the HT cables that I have placed in the garden at a conveniently low level over the damp ground. But if you feel like disobeying me, well, if you say sorry later, that’s OK.”

The parent then goes for a round the world cruise.

The parent must know that the chosen child obeys and the other exercises free will and thus does not feel too bad on his return tanned and fit to find one child burnt to a crisp.

No! No! Mr Martin. Our lives stretch out before us like a written book. The quotas for Heaven and Hell are fulfilled each and every age to 100% precision.

Those who embrace LBC are those who would have been saved anyway yet revel in the joy of obedience to the exact Word of The Lord.

Your lot however are cannon fodder for apprentice demons.

Amen

Bathfire E

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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So that means an evil person cannot do good works, and a good person cannot do evil works?

Emmanuel Kant spoke of the “is/ought” question and, with your Jesuit roots, you will know what your sworn Protestant enemy was reasoning.

Can an evil person do good works? Clearly not, you have defined him as evil and any alleged or perceived “good work” is tainted ab initio and is doubtless being done for evil ends (otherwise he wouldn’t be evil would he?)

A good person will only do good deeds and any perceived evil deeds will in fact be for the good of all.

[Father Thomas Martin]

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No, we still have Free-Will; we chose to use it listen to God.

What can I say "Father" Thomas, it is the way God created us. The TRUTH™ is there is none of the heretical Cappadocian nonsense about "salvation threw acts". God elects us to salvation and then creates us accordingly. People are saved because of the way they are created or damned by the way they are created.

I don't believe in predestination. I believe that, if a person is saved, it means he accepted God's grace in life and either did not lose it through sin, or if they did, by repenting with a resolve not to do it again. And, if a person is damned, it means he was offered God's grace and refused.

And by the way, have you ever read James 2:14-26?

If we accept your free will argument "Father" Thomas it would mean men are capable of defying the Will of God. That would also mean God is powerless against His creations. As a Christian I can not accept that. Maybe you Catholics want to cripple God but we TRUE Christians are far to humble to do that.

Yes, God COULD take away our free will...He COULD force us not to sin anymore...But He loves us, and wants us to get in through His grace, which is maintained through our keeping away from sin.

[Bobby-Joe]

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So that means an evil person cannot do good works, and a good person cannot do evil works?

Apparently LBC says, since they're "Saved," they can sin all they want and still go to heaven-Oh wait, they somehow lose their free will (Huh?)

No, we still have Free-Will; we chose to use it listen to God.

What can I say "Father" Thomas, it is the way God created us. The TRUTH(tm) is there is none of the heretical Cappadocian nonsense about "salvation threw acts". God elects us to salvation and then creates us accordingly. People are saved because of the way they are created or damned by the way they are created.

If we accept your free will argument "Father" Thomas it would mean men are capable of defying the Will of God. That would also mean God is powerless against His creations. As a Christian I can not accept that. Maybe you Catholics want to cripple God but we TRUE Christians are far to humble to do that.

[Father Thomas Martin]

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The Bible teaches "by their fruits ye shall know them".

That's pretty bitter fruit.

I guess "mourn with those who mourn" has a footnote I must have missed.

So that means an evil person cannot do good works, and a good person cannot do evil works?

Apparently LBC says, since they're "Saved," they can sin all they want and still go to heaven-Oh wait, they somehow lose their free will (Huh?)

[Mittster]

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The Bible teaches "by their fruits ye shall know them".

And like John Paul, this unsaved filthmonger is doing time in one of satan's raperooms as we speak, servicing every demon they've got with every orafice he's got. Praise the Lord for His Mercy!!

That's pretty bitter fruit.

I guess "mourn with those who mourn" has a footnote I must have missed.

[JennyD]

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The chief witchdoctor of the mormon cult has been sent to hell by Jesus. GLORY!!

Pastor, it was brought to my attention by a local Barack yOmama fan that the Mormon Cult is extremely racist. Unlike Landover, who has ALWAYS welcomed Negro members, the Mormons preached that Negroes were ugly, filthy, lazy perverts, and not worthy of entering their priesthood (and preferably, not their churches)!

http://www.truthandgrace.com/Racism.html <-- see?

1 Nephi 12:23 And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.

What a rude thing to say! Their skin color has nothing to do with their unbelief, laziness, white-woman-raping, or pie-stealing; we know that it is a curse which they can only overcome spiritually, never physically. The stain of Ham's sin remains in their skin even if they become ex-Negroes.

Now, on June 8, 1978, the Mormons found that there were some Negroes who had at least modest disposable incomes -- like Negress Gladys Knight, and of course her Pips. Naturally, the Mormon Cult President had a revelation! But rather than explaining how they could become ex-Negroes and be washed white with the blood of Jesus, the Cult President simply told them to write a big check, and they'd forget all about their blasphemous doctrine.

However, they still have not proven their purported belief that Negroes are indeed their equals; never have they had a Negro Leader.

Perhaps Barack Obama would like to be President of the Mormon Cult, after he loses the Presidential election to Mike Huckabee? He could still be called "President Obama", and be serving his people in an exciting new capacity involving magic underwear!

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

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Unfortunately, the Chinese and Japanese versions of the bible were first translated by papists. The jesuits were the worst offenders closely followed by the dominicans.

I would recommend you reading the Godly English version of the King James Bible.

[Wide-Open]

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We do not allow you or any other heathens to post demonic gibberish on our Godly forum. Keep it in God's favorite language, AMERICAN!

I'd say the abuse from these heathens is a causus belli, Pastor.

But see what they are doing: derailing this thread. They are trying to steal our thunder. Bah.

I'm watching the Vatican news now, you never know.