[davidbrainfart]

Re: The case for atheism

I first addressed these questions to Pastor Ezekiel, who has not yet responded, but I will address the answers I got back. I think the Pastor would agree with them.

Three questions:
1. Does all of your information about God's will and God's plan come from the Bible, including the validation of the Bible itself as an authority?

No, it's verified by external reality. For instance, the Bible says that God created the Earth, and, lo and behold, the Earth exists, exactly as the Bible says it should. If any Christian opinion seems to clash with the secular "facts", you can be sure that's just Satan up to one of his tricks. Or God testing you. Can you find any single statement about God that you believe to be factually incorrect that cannot be explained by Satan playing tricks or else by God testing you?

The Earth exists but where is the evidence that it was created by God? You can invoke Satan to account for any opinion you disagree with but that does not excuse you from checking it out for yourself. You can speculate that God passively-aggressively planted false clues to the origin of the universe, but the best and the brightest among us will follow down paths true believers are content to leave alone. Both God and Satan are Biblical concepts and I see no evidence they exist outside the Bible.

2. If God is the answer to all the questions about the universe that I can't
answer, what is the answer to God? Where did God come from?

God isn't a question. He is eternal. Where did the Big Bang come from?

The Big Bang is not a question. It is eternal. Sounds silly to you, I know, but it is no more silly than "God isn't a question." In other words, "Don't ask." I say, instead, "ask every question, but don't expect them all to be answered; keep digging." Meanwhile "Man must dare to live with unanswered questions." "God always existed," is a quick and easy answer with another deep and profound question behind it.

3. What is a chanukistani terrorist?

Are all Canadians as thick as you?

I'm guessing that Brother Enoch is a Canadian and not proud of it. I am also guessing that "chanukistani" is your church's word for Canadian. I am not Canadian. As Charlie Chaplin said when a Nazi sympathiser asked him if was a Jew: "I'm sorry, I do not have the privilege."

Canada is in many ways a more progressive country than the U.S., including its single-payer health care system. If I were a Canadian, I would be proud, but I am a (U.S.) Southerner. I am proud of my Southern roots but not its racist heritage.

Brother Enoch has repented of his Canadistani heritage many times and is largely considered an honorary American. You'd know that if you bothered to get to know people before launching personal attacks against them.

What personal attacks?

Now I've got a question for you: if God isn't real, who gave Christopher Hitchens cancer?

There is no "who." The notion that God uses disease to punish people for their sins is ignorant, hateful, and barbaric. Ask Hitchens's doctors what caused his cancer and they will give you the best answer that modern medical science has to offer. In a few decades they will no doubt have learned enough to head off such diseases, but not, I am sure, without using science your church disapproves of.

[davidbrainfart]

Re: The case for atheism

So you admit to being a liar. Thank you for being honest. About being a liar.

I have no idea what you are talking about. When did I admit to being a liar?

Let me qualify. A lie is a statement known or believed by its maker to be false that is made with the intent to deceive. What have I ever said that meets those criteria? If I said I was a liar, knowing it to be false, and I said it all seriousness intending for you to believe me, then I would be a liar.

Note that according to this definition a statement can be true and still be a lie if the maker of the statement believes it is false. One can also make a statement known (or believed) to be false as a joke or simply a story to entertain. For example were the parables of Jesus literally true or just stories to make a point?

I don't consider anyone on this board to be a liar although I believe everyone is mistaken at one time or another. Who knows? Even me.

My church doesn't support racism or sexism, and neither does Landover.

We support God's Law as provided in the Bible.

Same thing. Be honest. The Bible is (in various places) racist and sexist and so are you. Maybe racism and sexism are OK with God. But are you racist and sexist because God is or did you choose a religion that agrees with your own racism and sexism? I cut the Hebrews some slack. They lived in harsh times when life was short and cheap. To believe the same thing thousands of years later, because you are reading from the book they wrote, is unconsciounable.

As for "voodoo economics", I've never preached on Ronald Reagan. I'm not an economist, I'm a man of God.

Fair enough, but the Christian Right and the Republicans have made an unholy alliance. They support Christian fundametalism and their constituents vote for candidates who take money from the Koch brothers and other billionaires to keep their taxes low while balancing the budget on the backs of the poor, the middle class, and the soon-to-be poor, including the religious right.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The case for atheism

I never paied anyone, so whats to refund.

However you are right, i have nothing to loose, and this is also why i am willing to learn, so feel free to teach me, but as you see i am unsaved trashed, Nazi (idunno why) and lotsa red dots, so i take it i am already lost

I voted for Bill Clinton in 1995 and yet I am saved. Why not you? All things are possible under Christ.

[tomasespensen]

Re: The case for atheism

Listen friend, if you don't go to Heaven Landover promises a full refund of your money. Were is the risk?

I never paied anyone, so whats to refund.

However you are right, i have nothing to loose, and this is also why i am willing to learn, so feel free to teach me, but as you see i am unsaved trashed, Nazi (idunno why) and lotsa red dots, so i take it i am already lost

[Jedediah]

Re: The case for atheism

I dont say its not work for you, i say its not work for me, i have seen NO prove what so ever that i should try to get a seat in heaven, i admit, i have been happy when i have been in church, but outside the life sux, and i just seen God put in obstickles for me, call me week, but i am not in for 60 more years jumping dutching, crawling and so on.

Then I sincerely hope you enjoy hell. Seriously, I mean that. I hope you make the best of the situation since you are so clearly beyond Redemption. Good luck with it. Based on your disturbing testimony, it is clear that God has preordained you unto eternal torments, so there's really no point wasting our time with you when there are those called here by our beacon of righteousness, who are truly worthy of fellowshipping among us.


II Thessalonians 2:11-13
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The case for atheism

I dont say its not work for you, i say its not work for me, i have seen NO prove what so ever that i should try to get a seat in heaven, i admit, i have been happy when i have been in church, but outside the life sux, and i just seen God put in obstickles for me, call me week, but i am not in for 60 more years jumping dutching, crawling and so on.

Listen friend, if you don't go to Heaven Landover promises a full refund of your money. Were is the risk?

[tomasespensen]

Re: The case for atheism

I'll have you know all of us True Christians™ are the happiest people you'll ever meet because we know our salvation is assured. Doesn't our sheer joy exude from every word we write here?

I dont say its not work for you, i say its not work for me, i have seen NO prove what so ever that i should try to get a seat in heaven, i admit, i have been happy when i have been in church, but outside the life sux, and i just seen God put in obstickles for me, call me week, but i am not in for 60 more years jumping dutching, crawling and so on.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: The case for atheism

So what you say, i need to have a miserable live before i can play the harpe? This means that all that have good lives wil burn in hell ?

Huh? What's 'miserable' about praising Jesus every day of your life and following the KJV to the letter?

I'll have you know all of us True Christians(tm) are the happiest people you'll ever meet because we know our salvation is assured. Doesn't our sheer joy exude from every word we write here?

[tomasespensen]

Re: The case for atheism

Luke 16:19-31


Hell is not just a tad hot. The man in this tale thought like you did when he was alive.

So what you say, i need to have a miserable live before i can play the harpe? This means that all that have good lives wil burn in hell ?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The case for atheism

I know that you are right, the Bible sayes so, however both will be "hell for me", i know that "Heaven" will feel like the worst, and i know that Hell Might be a tad hot, so i take my change that hell is not so bad compared to eternat mocking and laughing

Luke 16:19-31

19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Hell is not just a tad hot. The man in this tale thought like you did when he was alive.

[tomasespensen]

Re: The case for atheism

So where's your evidence that Hell isn't burning?

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 9:45-48 45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

I know that you are right, the Bible sayes so, however both will be "hell for me", i know that "Heaven" will feel like the worst, and i know that Hell Might be a tad hot, so i take my change that hell is not so bad compared to eternat mocking and laughing

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The case for atheism

I see it more as i prefer to take the chance that Hell is not burning, rather to be looking at God that have mocked me since my birth

So where's your evidence that Hell isn't burning?

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 9:45-48 45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[tomasespensen]

Re: The case for atheism

So you're going to burn in Hell for all eternity to punish God for not meeting your earthly expectations?

I see it more as i prefer to take the chance that Hell is not burning, rather to be looking at God that have mocked me since my birth

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The case for atheism

So you're going to burn in Hell for all eternity to punish God for not meeting your earthly expectations?

[tomasespensen]

Re: The case for atheism

Nothing. That's your job. Think of it like Clueless or Mean Girls. God is the ultimate popular kid. You can't just turn up as the dorky new kid at the High School that He created and expect Him to have any time for you, not even if you're Lindsey Lohan. You need to work on impressing Him, not the other way around. But be careful: not even the meanest "plastic" would think of sending a flood to kill the vast majority of the Earth's population, whereas God has a proven track record of that sort of thing, so you'll want to work extra-hard on making Him like you!
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Well i started out by praising Him, i did follow His words as good i could.

But when he turned hes back at me, i did the same, i searched my heart to see if i ever did him bad, or i did anything to unplease him i dident, and yet my life have been crap.... since i turned my back on God, my life have not turned worse, nor better, however i dont have to spend eternaty with some prick that basickly dont care for me, even i cared for him.

Basickly when i die i either parrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty for eternal or i burn for eternal, BUT the burn part wont be as much sorrow to be near a "best friend" that back stabbed my.