[Little Donkey]

Re: The case for atheism

And there's the rub: the basic premise of the Big Bang is accepted by "scientists" without review, with the only question being what was the catalyst for the bang, with nary a question about the big part (and even the drooling retard Stephen Hawkins says that "God might've been involved").

EXACTLY. The only evidence the scientists have is from when they force same-charged particles to overcome their natural repulsion and crash into eachother. The Big Bang is just a delusional extension of their idea of a homosexual orgy where naturally repulsed straight men are forced to sodomize eachother, No thanks Stephen, I'll stilck with the Bible rather than your thinly veiled gay fantasies.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: The case for atheism

Canada is in many ways a more progressive country than the U.S., including its single-payer health care system. If I were a Canadian, I would be proud

Indeed. What's not to be proud of?

Man dies after 34 hour wait in ER

WINNIPEG–It's an unacceptable tragedy that a man waited 34 hours in a Winnipeg hospital emergency room and was dead for several hours before he was finally brought to the attention of medical staff, Premier Gary Doer said yesterday.

Although the 45-year-old man – who CTV Winnipeg identified as a double amputee named Brian Sinclair – was "a regular" at the emergency room, regional health officials say he was never registered or seen by triage nurses over the weekend until it was too late.

CTV Winnipeg quoted a man who did not want to be named as saying he had been in the emergency room on the Friday night and had seen Sinclair sitting in his wheelchair, looking like he was asleep.

When the man came back the following night, he noticed Sinclair's position had not moved so he told nurses and security workers, who responded they were too busy to check on Sinclair. He also told a security officer of Sinclair's condition, but the guard told him the case would be "too much paperwork."

"The nurse said we'll go and check, (but) nobody ever went and checked on him," said the man. "We waited another hour or so and we told another nurse twice to go and check."

Enough to make any Canadian's heart bubble over with pride! And if that wasn't enough to be proud of, Canada also has gay marriage, legal pot, a non-existent military, US Army deserters/cowards, single party rule, draconian gun laws, muslim terrorists and millions of french people! Oh the pride!!

Canada IS the case for atheism. Canada is what happens when a nation abandons God and morality and descends into depravity and socialism. The sooner God or America wipes that frigid Hellhole off the face of the Earth, the better.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: The case for atheism

I know that you are right, the Bible sayes so, however both will be "hell for me", i know that "Heaven" will feel like the worst, and i know that Hell Might be a tad hot, so i take my change that hell is not so bad compared to eternat mocking and laughing

You will be mocked eternally in Hell, so that's not a wise choice.

I dont say its not work for you, i say its not work for me, i have seen NO prove what so ever that i should try to get a seat in heaven, i admit, i have been happy when i have been in church, but outside the life sux, and i just seen God put in obstickles for me, call me week, but i am not in for 60 more years jumping dutching, crawling and so on.

You're weak. And you yourself admit that church makes you happy but life outside it "sux", so why turn your back on happiness?

I have no idea what you are talking about. When did I admit to being a liar?

When you admitted to being an atheist, and therefore having no moral code.

Same thing. Be honest. The Bible is (in various places) racist and sexist and so are you. Maybe racism and sexism are OK with God. But are you racist and sexist because God is or did you choose a religion that agrees with your own racism and sexism?

The former.

I cut the Hebrews some slack. They lived in harsh times when life was short and cheap. To believe the same thing thousands of years later, because you are reading from the book they wrote, is unconsciounable.

How very relativist. At what point did sexism become unacceptable? 1675? Earlier? Later?

Fair enough, but the Christian Right and the Republicans have made an unholy alliance. They support Christian fundametalism and their constituents vote for candidates who take money from the Koch brothers and other billionaires to keep their taxes low while balancing the budget on the backs of the poor, the middle class, and the soon-to-be poor, including the religious right.

And that's unholy because?

The Earth exists but where is the evidence that it was created by God?

In the Bible.

You can invoke Satan to account for any opinion you disagree with but that does not excuse you from checking it out for yourself. You can speculate that God passively-aggressively planted false clues to the origin of the universe, but the best and the brightest among us will follow down paths true believers are content to leave alone.

Yes, the wide path that leads to damnation.

Both God and Satan are Biblical concepts and I see no evidence they exist outside the Bible.

If God doesn't exist, then why has my soul been washed clean of sin? And if Satan doesn't exist, who started the Catholic Church?

The Big Bang is not a question. It is eternal. Sounds silly to you, I know, but it is no more silly than "God isn't a question." In other words, "Don't ask." I say, instead, "ask every question, but don't expect them all to be answered; keep digging." Meanwhile "Man must dare to live with unanswered questions."

Let me guess: all the holes in your ideas are unanswered questions that we must dare to live with, all the holes you claim to spot in our ideas are problems that discredit them.

What personal attacks?

Calling him Canadian.

There is no "who."

You'd make a great detective.

The notion that God uses disease to punish people for their sins is ignorant, hateful, and barbaric. Ask Hitchens's doctors what caused his cancer and they will give you the best answer that modern medical science has to offer.

The best answer that modern medical science has to offer isn't good enough to save his life, so why should it be good enough to explain why God decided to kill him?

Where did God come from? I take it you mean he always existed, but how and why?

"Man must dare to live with unanswered questions."

[davidbrainfart]

Re: The case for atheism

Canada is in many ways a more progressive country than the U.S., including its single-payer health care system. If I were a Canadian, I would be proud.

Indeed. What's not to be proud of?

Man dies after 34 hour wait in ER

I'm sorry to read about that poor man. However nothing in that account links it to the Canadian insurance system. The same kind of thing has happened many times in the United States. We also have people dying in the Emergency room because they had no insurance and avoided doctors until it was too late. We have people losing their jobs, then their insurance, then getting sick and losing their homes. We have people paying their premiums for years, believing in the system, who find when they become gravely ill that their insurance has been discontinued because of a pre-existing condition. We have businesses locating in Canada rather than the U.S. because in Canada they don't have to provide insurance. Obama and the Democrats in congress have made some reforms but not nearly enough with the Republicans in the Senate fillibustering every progressive step.

Enough to make any Canadian's heart bubble over with pride! And if that wasn't enough to be proud of, Canada also has gay marriage, legal pot, a non-existent military, US Army deserters/cowards, single party rule, draconian gun laws, muslim terrorists and millions of french people! Oh the pride!!

You and I might be tempted to trade countries if it weren't for you losing your health care and me putting up with the cold. I have no problem with muslims or french people and it might be refreshing to live in a country that doesn't have to be able to whoop every country in the world at the same time.

Another thing is that I do love my country even with all the scary people here, including the ones who want to turn this country into a theocracy or a plutacracy. I believe free speech will prevail or restrictive religions and large sums of money. I don't think Canada would be the great democracy it is today without us, their neighbor to the South and the West.

Canada IS the case for atheism. Canada is what happens when a nation abandons God and morality and descends into depravity and socialism. The sooner God or America wipes that frigid Hellhole off the face of the Earth, the better.

Perhaps one day, when the U.S. descends into depravity and fascim, we just might. If I believed in God, I would say God save both our countries.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: The case for atheism

Why do you hate the Baby Jesus?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: The case for atheism

The same kind of thing has happened many times in the United States.

Please list the many times Americans have died while being ignored at an emergency room. Include links to news articles as your evidence.

We also have people dying in the Emergency room because they had no insurance and avoided doctors until it was too late.

And somehow this is the hospital's fault?? All hospitals which accept Medicare are required to see anybody, insured or not, at their emergency room.

We have businesses locating in Canada rather than the U.S. because in Canada they don't have to provide insurance.

Please document this assertion. Which businesses have chosen far higher corporate taxes over paying health insurance for employees?

Seriously. List them and provide evidence of the reason for their choice.

Obama and the Democrats in congress have made some reforms but not nearly enough with the Republicans in the Senate fillibustering every progressive step.

Osambo created a bailout for health insurance companies, requiring every American to buy a private-sector product or be fined. Republicans should be thrilled with it.

[davidbrainfart]

Re: The case for atheism

Please list the many times Americans have died while being ignored at an emergency room. Include links to news articles as your evidence.

I Googled "ignored in emergency room" and got 3,550,000 results including
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHcx3GiXGA
http://newsone.com/nation/pregnant-w...emergency-room- baby-later-died/

We also have people dying in the Emergency room because they had no insurance and avoided doctors until it was too late.

And somehow this is the hospital's fault?? All hospitals which accept Medicare are required to see anybody, insured or not, at their emergency room.

It's not the fault of the hospitals; it's the fault of the insurance system. For people without insurance, the emergency room is their doctor, but they are still billed. If they don't pay, the hospital eats the loss and passes it on to paying customers, so we might as well free ourselves of insurance payments and pay insurance through our taxes.

We have businesses locating in Canada rather than the U.S. because in Canada they don't have to provide insurance.

Please document this assertion. Which businesses have chosen far higher corporate taxes over paying health insurance for employees?

Toyota, Moving Northward
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/op...25krugman.html

Osambo

Deliberate racial slur incorporating two contradictory negative stereotypes: The militant evil muslim (Osama) and the subservient ignorant darkie (Sambo).

created a bailout for health insurance companies, requiring every American to buy a private-sector product or be fined. Republicans should be thrilled with it.

Health insurance needs to cover everyone. Requiring Americans to buy insurance is one way to do that. The insurance companies are pleased and they are among the greatest donors to Republican campaigns. That is one reason it got past the Republican filibuster in the Senate. I favor the single-payer system. I would rather have the government interceding in my health care than an insurance company bureaucrat who is paid to find a reason not to cover my claim.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: The case for atheism

I Googled "ignored in emergency room" and got 3,550,000 results including
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHcx3GiXGA
http://newsone.com/nation/pregnant-w...emergency-room- baby-later-died/

And the hospital suspended the staff and will likely file criminal charges, unlike your socialist countries where they likely get a bonus for saving on costs.

It's not the fault of the hospitals; it's the fault of the insurance system. For people without insurance, the emergency room is their doctor, but they are still billed. If they don't pay, the hospital eats the loss and passes it on to paying customers, so we might as well free ourselves of insurance payments and pay insurance through our taxes.

How does this advance your case for atheism?

Toyota, Moving Northward
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/op...25krugman.html

And if you bothered to read the article, you'd see the primary reason for the move had nothing to do with health insurance or taxes, but "the quality of Ontario's workforce".

The rest is Paul Krugman's speculation, not a statement from Toyota.