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  • Elmer G. White
    Distinguished Professor of Prayer Healing and Creation Zoology (Baraminology)
    Victim of atheist scientific persecution
     
    • Apr 2014
    • 10256

    #46
    Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

    Originally posted by wkc127 View Post
    The 7 day cycle has not changed,
    Actually, it has. The cycle changed big time with the adoption of the Gregorian calendar.

    Please see when some countries adopted the Gregorian calendar, when they did it and how much this changed the 7-day cycle. Of course, the difference has ever since widened so you cannot simply assume that if you add ten days, you'll be back at the original cycle.
    • 1582 France (most areas), Italy, Poland, Portugal, Spain -10 days
    • 1583 Austria, Germany (Catholic states) - 10 days
    • 1587 Hungary -10 days
    • 1610 Germany (Prussia) -10 days
    • 1752 United States (most areas), Canada (most areas),
    • United Kingdom (and colonies) -11 days
    • 1872/1873 Japan -12 days
    • 1916 Bulgaria -13 days
    • 1918 Estonia, Russia -13 days
    • 1923 Greece -13 days
    • 1926/1927 Turkey -13 days
    As you can see, the cycle was off by 10-13 days. Thus, the original pattern is disrupted. You have to do some special calculations to make the pre-switch dates match with those after the adoption. If Holding the Sabbath on an original Saturday is how you wish to become Saved, this might be a problem. I suggest you inspect your motives for being here based on the following words:

    Philippians 2:3
    Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.


    Yours in Christ,

    Elmer
    2 Kings 18:25 - Am I now come up without the LORD against this place to destroy it? The LORD said to me, Go up against this land, and destroy it.



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    • handmaiden
      Is a good, decent True Christian™ lady
      True Christian™
      • May 2010
      • 11227

      #47
      Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

      Don't the Jews have the idea that a day starts a sunset on the night before the calendar day begins?

      I get easily confused by all this. That's why I stick with the Bible and only let menfolk teach me about it.


      The Bible is crystal clear that women are supposed to be instructing men on spiritual matters.

      1 Timothy 2:12
      But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.








      Whenever God calls on a woman to serve Him in some leadership capacity, it's a judgment on the people and the times because there were no men worthy to step up and serve, so God had to make do with a weaker vessel. (At least, that's what some learned (male) Bible scholars always taught me.)
      His left hand should be under my head, and his right hand should embrace me.

      Guns For God and the Economy

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      • MitzaLizalor
        Completely CRAZY for the Lord
        True Christian™
        • Sep 2010
        • 14159

        #48
        Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

        Prof. White has been particularly helpful in this thread. I read the stuff wozzname posted but couldn't see anything supporting the claims or suggesting there was something wrong with the Scripture I recalled from Sunday school. And posted in full. With context. God is so clear in His instruction particularly where "special" days are concerned but the wkc couldn't even respond to that. Here it is again in case anyone was thinking the Adventist cult had something to contribute:

        Romans 14:6


        The Gregorian calendric details I did find interesting and will pray that someone reading, someone trapped in this bizarre ideology, will find a path out from darkness. Freedom is not only a precious gift. It is worth fighting for.

        The Bible shows me what happens when people get indoctrinated with lies and shows me the reality of Jesus. For crazed cultists perhaps other material, from history or from baraminology, will help them to see too and we're fortunate to have the best Creation Scientists here at Landover for just that reason.

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        • Southern Pride
          Confirmed Enemy of God
          BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
          • Jun 2017
          • 5

          #49
          Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

          Originally posted by Elmer G. White View Post
          Actually, it has. The cycle changed big time with the adoption of the Gregorian calendar.

          Please see when some countries adopted the Gregorian calendar, when they did it and how much this changed the 7-day cycle. Of course, the difference has ever since widened so you cannot simply assume that if you add ten days, you'll be back at the original cycle. As you can see, the cycle was off by 10-13 days. Thus, the original pattern is disrupted. You have to do some special calculations to make the pre-switch dates match with those after the adoption. If Holding the Sabbath on an original Saturday is how you wish to become Saved, this might be a problem. I suggest you inspect your motives for being here based on the following words:

          Philippians 2:3
          Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.


          Yours in Christ,

          Elmer
          Elmer, I am well aware of these changes throughout human history, with the gregorian calander being adopted approximatley around 1000 AD. The Chinese calander has 7 days and has been around since roughly 14th century B.C.E. But the fact remains, the Bible starts out with 7 days, and we have 7 days here and now at the present time. Other cultures may have changed days from 10 or 13 or whatever, but they are not in that sequence now.

          The Jews have observed the Sabbath without interruption throughout their existence regardless of other cultures changing the number of days, and they happen to observe the 7th day as the 4th commandment states. The Jews are faulted for not believing in Jesus, but they got the Sabbath Day right. We can reliably follow off of the example set by Jesus. Jesus himself observed it, and Jesus is our example to live by. We read in Mark 1:21 "And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught" After all, Jesus was Jewish and observed the Sabbath, and the Jews observe that same day (the 7th) to the present time. Jesus is "....Lord of the Sabbath" Luke 6:5 "And he said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

          Besides, if you really want to try to confound the matter, then Sunday should not be able to be observed either. It stands to reason that if time has in fact been lost (as you claim), why does mainstay Christianity observe Sunday??? I am familiar with the loss of time argument as an excuse to disobey the 4 commandment. But it sure is interesting to note that Sunday Christians who raise this debate, have absolutely no trouble whatsoever of observing Sunday. Time hasn't been lost for Sunday observance, now has it?

          To indulge you a little more on this topic...... If time has been lost as you claim, then it would be equally impossible to observe Sunday as well? 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

          The time lost argument is not going to be an affirmative defense at the judgement bar of God. His law is immutable and will exist and be observed by the saved throughout the eternal ages. You can choose to obey God, or you can choose to obey the teaching and traditions of man. You can choose Jesus as your defender pleading his blood for your sins, or you can choose Jesus as your Prosecutor. There is no appeals process in the heavenly court with God; his judgment is final. And the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." It is your choice......If you want to play ostrich with your head in the sand, this is the same as disobedience to God. To reject light is a sin. Choose this day who you will serve. Joshua 24:15 "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

          John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

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          • Elmer G. White
            Distinguished Professor of Prayer Healing and Creation Zoology (Baraminology)
            Victim of atheist scientific persecution
             
            • Apr 2014
            • 10256

            #50
            Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

            Originally posted by Southern Pride View Post
            To indulge you a little more on this topic...... If time has been lost as you claim, then it would be equally impossible to observe Sunday as well? 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
            Dear persistent Sinner,

            Sunday is a special day because that was the Day Jesus our Lord was Resurrected.

            Luke 24:1
            Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.


            He also continued to appear on Sundays (i.e., everything was different after His Resurrection; John 20:26; God appeared as the third manifestation of Trinity on a Sunday Acts 2:1). There's a pattern here. The Sabbath was but a shadow of this redemption!

            Colossians 2:16-17
            Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


            We have no special reason to celebrate the shadow of Christ but the Living Lord! Your persistence is admirable as you probably are sincere and honest. We are not going to judge you of the sabbath days but it remains to be seen how Jesus feels about all this once you are judged (Revelation 20:13).

            Sunday is a good day to remember the temporary suffering of our Lord and to bring forth our modest tithes that allow our Pastors to spread our Good Message to the masses.

            1 Corinthians 16:1-2
            Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


            First day of the week, Sunday.

            Now, please, get real and discuss the Lord Jesus and the Bible in all their glory and refrain from 2 Timothy 2:16. Thank you for your consideration.


            Yours in Christ,

            Elmer
            2 Kings 18:25 - Am I now come up without the LORD against this place to destroy it? The LORD said to me, Go up against this land, and destroy it.



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            • MitzaLizalor
              Completely CRAZY for the Lord
              True Christian™
              • Sep 2010
              • 14159

              #51
              Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

              Originally posted by Southern Pride View Post
              [Oh no, not another one!]
              In the post before yours there was a Scripture reference mentioned. This would be a good opportunity for you to comment on that. I have read it and it seems pretty straightforward. But perhaps my judgement is clouded and God was not saying what the words say, rather using a code of some sort. In the meantime, here's a picture of a calendar for you to look at.
              It's plugging a meteorological calendar. Now regardless of what I think which I don't need to because all this has been answered already in the thread and in The Bible, there are two questions you could answer for me
              1. What is the seventh day according to this calendar?
              2. Why are the last two days called THE WEEKEND?
              Friday
              Monday
              Saturday
              Sunday
              Thursday
              Tuesday
              Wednesday



              Because they are in the middle of the week
              Because they are at the start of the week
              Because they are at the end of the week

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              • Mister Brasil
                True Christian™
                True Christian™
                • Jul 2008
                • 518

                #52
                Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                When Mr. Pride started saying okay fine but then you're wrong too it gave me another idea.

                Jesus said that Christians can't sin. I can't remember where but I bet wkc127 knows where. We can judge by fruits which is always best way.

                That sounds like Sunday because that's the day Christians keep holy.

                I don't know if it's a good idea but don't call it stupid until you get ideas for figuring it out when the Bible never says Sunday. I'm just trying to figure out what God wants.

                I don't think God was trying to trick us. I hope wkc127 comes back he'd get along really well with Mr. Pride. We don't get so many learned scholars around here other than ones we got.
                Acts 13:8 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

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                • MitzaLizalor
                  Completely CRAZY for the Lord
                  True Christian™
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 14159

                  #53
                  Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                  Originally posted by Southern Pride View Post
                  The Chinese calander has 7…The Jews have observed the Sabbath without interruption throughout their existence regardless of other cultures
                  I can see where you're going wrong. Just explain for me, how are you defining a day?

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                  • Southern Pride
                    Confirmed Enemy of God
                    BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
                    • Jun 2017
                    • 5

                    #54
                    Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                    Originally posted by Elmer G. White View Post
                    Dear persistent Sinner,

                    Sunday is a special day because that was the Day Jesus our Lord was Resurrected.

                    Luke 24:1
                    Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.


                    He also continued to appear on Sundays (i.e., everything was different after His Resurrection; John 20:26; God appeared as the third manifestation of Trinity on a Sunday Acts 2:1). There's a pattern here. The Sabbath was but a shadow of this redemption!

                    Colossians 2:16-17
                    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


                    We have no special reason to celebrate the shadow of Christ but the Living Lord! Your persistence is admirable as you probably are sincere and honest. We are not going to judge you of the sabbath days but it remains to be seen how Jesus feels about all this once you are judged (Revelation 20:13).

                    Sunday is a good day to remember the temporary suffering of our Lord and to bring forth our modest tithes that allow our Pastors to spread our Good Message to the masses.

                    1 Corinthians 16:1-2
                    Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


                    First day of the week, Sunday.

                    Now, please, get real and discuss the Lord Jesus and the Bible in all their glory and refrain from 2 Timothy 2:16. Thank you for your consideration.


                    Yours in Christ,

                    Elmer

                    My unenlightened “friend”,


                    It is quite hypocritical of you to call me, or anyone a sinner. The Bible definition of a sinner is one who transgresses the law. (See 1 John 3:4) You too have sinned (Romans 3:23), and are still sinning when you break God’s law. (James 2:10)


                    I acknowledge that Sunday is the day that our Lord arose from the grave, however, there is no scriptural authority anywhere sanctifying Sunday as the Sabbath; pure and simple. Again, I point out the reference in Luke 24:1 as “…first day of the week…” Where is it mentioned that the “first day of the week” was sanctified by Jesus??? The 10 Commandments are still binding upon all mankind. Jesus himself in stated in Mark 2:27 “And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:” Notice he said “man” and not Jews, Israelites, or any other group of people, but stated “man” as in mankind. The seventh day Sabbath predates the Jewish nation. We read in Genesis 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." It is quite simple and easy to understand the fact that God himself sanctified the Sabbath, as is his prerogative as Creator of all things. This means anyone else who would change it to another day is a usurper and commits blasphemy. Matt 28:21 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.”The first day of the week is just that; the first day, which was preceded by the Sabbath. So we know from scripture that Jesus was put to death on the cross on Friday (6th day) rested in the tomb on the Sabbath, and rose to life everlasting early on the 1st day of the week. Nowhere does Jesus or the Apostles command any change regarding any change to the Sabbath day.

                    As for your quote of Colossian 2:16 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:” We are not to judge one another. This does not mean we are not to instruct one another (Romans 15:14).
                    The reference “sabbath days” which is plural by the way, is made in reference to the other days that the Jews observed in their sabbaths, and their new moon festivals, not the Sabbath day of the 4th commandment. Exodus 23:11 is undoubtedly talking about the Sabbaths for grain fields and the other non 4 commandment "sabbaths".

                    Did the Bible predict anyone who would change God’s Law?It sure did! The Bible states in Daniel 7:25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”



                    It is further stated in James 2:10 “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” This passage clearly indicates that the law is to be obeyed. We already know who changed the Sabbath to Sunday, the Catholic Church, and they actually admit to this.

                    2 Thessalonians 2:4 “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” So the Bible clearly predicted that this man of sin would change times and laws (The Pope).



                    Read 2 Timothy 4:3-4 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.If nothing else can wake you from your spiritual slumber, the mere fact the Catholic Church holds sacred Sunday/First Day of the week, or whatever other significance you want to attach to this day; this fact by itself should stir you to suspicion of holding this day holy.

                    Either all of the 10 Commandments are still binding today, or they all done away with. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" If there is no obligation to obey the commandments as you and others in your circle claim, then there is no sin. 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. The Bible mentions sin 112 times in the New Testament KJV, so clearly sin is a serious matter and there is a law to obey.

                    Jesus himself referred to the 10 Commandments in which he admonished the rich ruler to obey the commandments. We read Jesus's response to the young ruler who asked what he needed to do to be saved. We read in Mark 10:19-22 "19 You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20 And he said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up.” 21 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But at these words [a]he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property." In this scripture passage Jesus mentioned 6 of the 10 Commandments here, but this is not evidence that the other 4 commandments are null and void. For example, in the above passages, He didn’t mention about not taking the Lord's name in vain or refraining from Idol worship. Does that mean it is ok to do so?

                    We read of various other scripture verses in the Bible and examples that uphold all 10 commandments at one time or another, and nowhere do we read of the repudiation or abolishment of the commandments.
                    In reference to having no other gods, Jesus said in Luke 4:8 "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
                    Taking God's name in vain: Matt 5:33-37 "
                    Matthew 5:33-37 “You have heard that it was said to our people long ago, ‘Don’t break your promises, but keep the promises you make to the Lord.’ But I tell you, never swear an oath. Don’t swear an oath using the name of heaven, because heaven is God’s throne. Don’t swear an oath using the name of the earth, because the earth belongs to God. Don’t swear an oath using the name of Jerusalem, because that is the city of the great King. Don’t even swear by your own head, because you cannot make one hair on your head become white or black. Say only yes if you mean yes, and no if you mean no. If you say more than yes or no, it is from the Evil One." And as for the Sabbath, read verses: Mark 1:21 and Luke 4:16


                    Obeying God’s commandments does not earn for us the gift of grace (Isaiah 64:6), but it is the fruit of our faith. James 2:17 “Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”
                    In James 2:18-20 “18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?” In this passage we read that the demons believe and tremble, but they obviously do not obey the law of God.

                    Elmer G. White wrote: “Sunday is a good day to remember the temporary suffering of our Lord and to bring forth our modest tithes that allow our Pastors to spread our Good Message to the masses.” Actually Elmer G. White, this is incorrect. Jesus did not suffer on Sunday, but rose to life everlasting on Sunday. He suffered and died on Friday (the preparation day to the Sabbath) and rested in the tomb on the 7th day Sabbath.


                    “Now, please, get real and discuss the Lord Jesus and the Bible in all their glory and refrain from 2 Timothy 2:16. Thank you for your consideration.” Perhaps Elmer, you would do well and should refrain from Proverbs 10:21, Proverbs 15:2. I am very much real on the position of the scripture and there continued relevance today. It would be a sin for me to be quite and hold these sacred truths to myself. 2 Kings 7:9 and Ezekiel 3:18, Ezekiel 33:1-11 (a watchman’s duty).


                    We read in John 12:35 “Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

                    Joshua 24:15 "
                    "15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

                    So Elmer G. White, choose this day who you will serve. Will it be Papal Rome and her authority and her mark, or will it be Jesus? The vast majority of people will wander after the beast. Rev 13:3


                    Happy Sabbath, Elmer and Crew! God bless!


                    P.S. Remember, it is not too late to repent and to decide to obey God. However, probation will close soon, be it due to Christ's soon return, or if you breathe your last breath. It is in this life alone to make that decision. How much time the Creator has given each one of us is unknown, so act now while time remains. Never presume on the mercy of God and indulge yourselves in willful disobedience. Hebrews 10:26

                    Last edited by Mary Etheldreda; 06-24-2017, 07:31 PM. Reason: Fixed the Old Lady Yuge Font

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                    • Southern Pride
                      Confirmed Enemy of God
                      BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
                      • Jun 2017
                      • 5

                      #55
                      Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                      Originally posted by Mister Brasil View Post
                      When Mr. Pride started saying okay fine but then you're wrong too it gave me another idea.

                      Jesus said that Christians can't sin. I can't remember where but I bet wkc127 knows where. We can judge by fruits which is always best way.

                      That sounds like Sunday because that's the day Christians keep holy.

                      I don't know if it's a good idea but don't call it stupid until you get ideas for figuring it out when the Bible never says Sunday. I'm just trying to figure out what God wants.

                      I don't think God was trying to trick us. I hope wkc127 comes back he'd get along really well with Mr. Pride. We don't get so many learned scholars around here other than ones we got.
                      What passage did Jesus say Christians can't sin? Anyone can sin, it is a choice. We can choose to obey or disobey God's commandments. If you are referring to 1 John 3:6 ,this is only if we abide in Christ. If we sin, then were are not abiding in him. In a few verses back it also reads in 1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." and we read in Romans 6:23 that the wages of sin is death. In Rev 21:8 we read the fate of the disobedient.

                      Also: Matt 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

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                      • Southern Pride
                        Confirmed Enemy of God
                        BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
                        • Jun 2017
                        • 5

                        #56
                        Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                        Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
                        I can see where you're going wrong. Just explain for me, how are you defining a day?

                        A day is defined as in: Genesis Gen 1:5: "And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day."

                        Gen 1:8: "And there was evening, and there was morning--the second day."

                        Gen 1:13: "And there was evening, and there was morning--the third day."

                        Gen 1:19: "And there was evening, and there was morning--the fourth day."

                        Gen 1:23: "And there was evening, and there was morning--the fifth day."

                        Gen 1:31:"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day

                        Gen 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

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                        • Mister Brasil
                          True Christian™
                          True Christian™
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 518

                          #57
                          Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                          Originally posted by Southern Pride View Post
                          What passage did Jesus say Christians can't sin? Anyone can sin, it is a choice. We can choose to obey or disobey God's commandments. If you are referring to 1 John 3:6 ,this is only if we abide in Christ. If we sin, then were are not abiding in him.
                          Thats one place. There are more. I looked it up. Use the words. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

                          What kind of Christian doesn't abide in Christ. What is a Christian otherwise? If you're sinning you're not Christian.

                          Then you say a bunch of other stuff that doesn't matter. You think that makes you more smart but it makes you more tricky. Its not the same.
                          Acts 13:8 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

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                          • Mary Etheldreda
                            Gushing for Jesus
                             
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 23775

                            #58
                            Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                            Originally posted by Mister Brasil View Post
                            What kind of Christian doesn't abide in Christ. What is a Christian otherwise? If you're sinning you're not Christian.
                            Amen!

                            The Holy Bible is very clear on the matter:
                            Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
                            Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
                            He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
                            Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
                            1st John 3:6-9

                            We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
                            1st John 5:18
                            Originally posted by Mister Brasil View Post
                            Then you say a bunch of other stuff that doesn't matter. You think that makes you more smart but it makes you more tricky. Its not the same.
                            One of the problems Jehovah's Witnesses have is lack of protein and an abundance of rabbit food. We know that vegetables make you gay, and not having any mean to offset the danger endangers one's soul as well as the entire nation.
                            Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                            • Roland
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                              • May 2014
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                              #59
                              Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                              Originally posted by Southern Pride View Post
                              A day is defined as in: Genesis Gen 1:5: "And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day."

                              [...]
                              Hello Southern,

                              Welcome to the forum.

                              How are you and how do you feel about Jesus, God, sin and crtlc/cltv? To me your post seems to lack some substance. Could you define your issues a bit more precise?

                              Kind regards, Roland
                              Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.

                              Best wishes for the people in Ukraine.

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                              • SouthernShame2017
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                                • Jun 2017
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                                #60
                                Re: Witnessing to a Seventh-Day Adventist

                                Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
                                In the post before yours there was a Scripture reference mentioned. This would be a good opportunity for you to comment on that. I have read it and it seems pretty straightforward. But perhaps my judgement is clouded and God was not saying what the words say, rather using a code of some sort. In the meantime, here's a picture of a calendar for you to look at.
                                It's plugging a meteorological calendar. Now regardless of what I think which I don't need to because all this has been answered already in the thread and in The Bible, there are two questions you could answer for me
                                1. What is the seventh day according to this calendar?
                                2. Why are the last two days called THE WEEKEND?

                                Your calendar that begins with Monday as the first day of the week is ultimately wrong, given the fact that the calendar featuring Sunday as the first day of the week was out long before the European “Monday” calendar. However, the true Sabbath in Europe is observed during the same day of the week as it is in Israel, North America, S. America, and the same in Apostolic times in accordance with the respective time zones and Divine Scripture. Even after what Christians believe to be the “Resurrection”, the first Easter, the early Christians continued to worship on the Jewish Sabbath. BUT, they, like the Jews, continued to worship every day of the week. Even today, many Jewish groups have services every day of the week, though the Sabbath services are the most heavily attended. Some Christian churches also have daily services.
                                Eventually, though, the majority of the Christian churches started worshiping on Sunday, (a change without scriptural authority or merit) but there were many people who then complained that this was worshiping on the “First Day of the Week”, so some calendar makers may have cooperated by designing their calendars so that Sunday appeared to be the seventh day.
                                The Catholic Church acknowledges changing the Sabbath day to the 1st day of the week, but they never cite a “Monday Calendar” as the reason for the change. Plus, they acknowledge there is no scriptural basis for the change.


                                The term "weekend" is not a Biblical term.It is a common term used today in secular society in reference to the end of most people's 9 to 5, Mon-Fri work routine. In the 15th century it meant from Saturday noon to Monday morning. See definition below...



                                weekend (n.) also week-end, 1630s, from week + end (n.). Originally a northern word (referring to the period from Saturday noon to Monday morning); it became general after 1878. As an adjective, "only on weekends," it is recorded from 1935. Long weekend attested from 1900; in reference to Great Britain in the period between the world wars, 1944.
                                Source: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=weekend


                                What will people come up with next, a Wednesday as the 1st day of the week calendar?

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