[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

Therefore, ANY sexual relations between a man and a girl under the age of 14 is fornication and/or adultery, and therefore a sin.

I hate to do this, but as a Christian Man I must correct you here, sister. To disobey the law is to commit the sin of disobedience, not fornification.

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man.

Romans 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.

Once John Mccain has replaced the conservative-lite Bush, and Biblical law has replaced the quaint and obsolete Constitution (9-11 changed everything) all this "age of consent" red tape will be gone. There have been cases of 10-year-olds hitting puberty, and in their case, they can create more babies for Jesus without commiting fornification.

Right now all of this "age of consent" laws which make it illegal for men to help fertile females to create babies are anti-life. No different from birth-control, abortion, and genocide. Your're either pro-life or you're anti-life.

"He who is not with me is against me" -Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:30 and Luke 11:23 and Mark 9:40)

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

No s***. Thats what I'm saying...other than the limitation of modern society, an adult and minor marriage is completly normal. It can be sinful only if it violates Gods laws... Fact: There is no such thing as pedophilia in the bible, because a male/female relationship is never condemned on the merits of the age difference. There is no such thing. Theres rape, theres homosexuality, theres incest, theres adultery, but not pedophilia.

So you agree with us! Why are you throwing a hissy fit?

By the way, rape falls under the category of "property crimes", not "sex crimes". If there's no property-owner (husband or father) to be victimized by the rape, there's no victim, and therefore (in Biblical law) no crime.

[JennyD]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

I hate to do this, but as a Christian Man I must correct you here, sister. To disobey the law is to commit the sin of disobedience, not fornification.

Not to argue, Brother Jeb, but if the pedophile has not married the child, they are still committing the sin of fornication.

[Vayhr of the Warhost]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

Where in the bible does it speak against pedophilia. since I have never found a single verse condemning it but it is strongly condemned amoung chrsitans, so they must have some bibilical basis for that. ? would anyone know ?

The Bible does not speak against pedophilia to my knowledge. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Jesus encourages it in certain situations.

Numbers 31:17-18 states, "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

And you know what that entails, right? Because in Deuternomy 21:11-13 it says, "And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife."

However, Romans 13 states we must obey those in power as long as they don't demand blatant ungodly behavior and promote the destruction of evil action. If those in power (i.e the U.S. Government) say that it is illegal to have sexual relations with very young girls then we as True Christian feel pedophilia is a bad thing.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

Not to argue, Brother Jeb, but if the pedophile has not married the child, they are still committing the sin of fornication.

I see what the misunderstanding is. Is marriage made official by God, or by the state? Seeing as Adam and Eve did not have any government to make their marriage official, I'll say that true marriage is only that which is legitimate in the eyes of God.

If true marriage were actually determined by government, that would make gay marriages legal in the eyes of God, which they are not. Not to mention marriages that were done in non-christian churches. I'm sure once Biblical Law rules America only couples married in Landover Baptist Church will be legal, and all other couples must hold marriages at LBC or be guilty of fornification.

[JennyD]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

I'm sure once Biblical Law rules America only couples married in Landover Baptist Church will be legal, and all other couples must hold marriages at LBC or be guilty of fornification.

Wonderful! That would resolve this question entirely, Brother Jeb!

[Brother_Percy]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

Does the Bible give a specific age for a woman to marry her husband, or is it just Politicians that 'judge' these things - the very same politicians who grant the rights for fag marriages and retard rights?

When my father married my mother she was 11 years old, and that didn't stop her from having a wonderful and loving Christian life with my father (25 years her senior). They also had me - a fully formed healthy child.

If God was against younger women marrying then I'd have probably been born retarded or with limbs missing - as punishment to my parents -just like kids who are born with Goth / Wiccin / drug-addict / gypsy parents.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[snottyduck]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

Does the Bible give a specific age for a woman to marry her husband, or is it just Politicians that 'judge' these things - the very same politicians who grant the rights for fag marriages and retard rights?

In ancient times people have married very young but one must realize that the conditions of life were very different from now. People in those times only rarely reached old age so everything had to go a little bit faster or you didn't have any time to make childeren. Also, in those times your women were employed much faster than nowadays so their life experience was different from those who live at present day.

In modern times it's not done to have sex with young children as their way of live is just so different than let's say 500 or 1000 years ago. Luckily we have laws that gives us the opportunity to punish pedophiles although they should be castrated, they are nothing more than sexual predators.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

Does the Bible give a specific age for a woman to marry her husband, or is it just Politicians that 'judge' these things - the very same politicians who grant the rights for fag marriages and retard rights?

The minimum age cannot be higher than the onset of puberty, according to the following passage:

Ezek. 16:7-8: I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: [thy] breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou [wast] naked and bare. Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time [was] the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

[Brother_Percy]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

The minimum age cannot be higher than the onset of puberty.

Then the problem is not one of age, but one of maturity. Perhaps our Government should re-look into how they classify pedophiles, as it is clear that age is not the issue, but the onset of puberty - when she has become a woman, and is ripe for marriage.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

At Landover, we have zero tolerance for pedophiles. We don't let fathers sell their daughters into marriage until the age of twelve, and they're usually much older than that when we arrange their marriages.

Why not just let your daughters decide for themselves after they are 18 if, when, and whom they wish to marry?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

Why not just let your daughters decide for themselves after they are 18 if, when, and whom they wish to marry?

Um ... maybe because we follow God's Word instead of feminazi liberal political correctness? Just a wild guess.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

In ancient times people have married very young but one must realize that the conditions of life were very different from now. People in those times only rarely reached old age so everything had to go a little bit faster or you didn't have any time to make childeren. Also, in those times your women were employed much faster than nowadays so their life experience was different from those who live at present day.

In modern times it's not done to have sex with young children as their way of live is just so different than let's say 500 or 1000 years ago. Luckily we have laws that gives us the opportunity to punish pedophiles although they should be castrated, they are nothing more than sexual predators.

So, Mr. Duck, first you say that sexual relations with young girls is perfectly normal, then you say that because we've adopted "modern", secular and anti-God lifestyles that it is no longer normal, and those who do what you JUST SAID IS NORMAL for humans should be CASTRATED?!

What sort of sick monster are you?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

The minimum age cannot be higher than the onset of puberty, according to the following passage:

And as corroborated by the Song of Songs:

Canticles 8:8 We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?

As long as little girls don't have breasts, they won't be "spoken for".

Where in the bible does it speak against pedophilia. since I have never found a single verse condemning it but it is strongly condemned amoung chrsitans, so they must have some bibilical basis for that. ? would anyone know ?

Have you heard about something called The Ten Commandments?

The 5th commandment clearly says: Honour thy father and thy mother!!!

I'm sure we can all agree that a child that fornicates with a pedophile pervert is not honoring its father and mother. Am I right?

Girls are even better protected by the Bible since anyone laying a hand on one of them must pay the father 50 shekels.

Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Deuteronomy 22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Of course 50 shekels ain't what 50 shekels used to be. In fact it's only 14.85 USD, but money isn't the important part: The point is that the Bible says it's wrong.

[Trent Harvey, Jr.]

Re: where does the bible speak against pedophilia ?

In ancient times people have married very young but one must realize that the conditions of life were very different from now. People in those times only rarely reached old age so everything had to go a little bit faster or you didn't have any time to make childeren.

The AVERAGE life expectancy was lower, because most children died before the age of 5, which brought the AVERAGE life expectancy down. If you lived past the age of 5, you would live to be just as old as anyone does today. Or older, for example Noah was 950 years old at his death, (Genesis 9:29) and Methuselah died at 969 years.

Face it, as brother Jeb said, you're either with the Culture Of Life or the Culture Of Death. Being in the Culture Of Life means creating life, which means females should be pregnant non-stop from puberty to menopause.

In modern times it's not done to have sex with young children as their way of live is just so different than let's say 500 or 1000 years ago.

"We should change things because we changed things" - that's the vicious circle of liberalism. God outlined the way we are to live, and He did it 2000 years ago. 2000 years of liberalism have ruined the family-building-block-of-society and the moral-fabric-fiber and turned our daughters from productive-members-of-society into snot-nosed brats. It's time to turn back the clock.