[James Hutchins]

Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing

Actualy, I have never, really never , hit my wife (perhaps nearly 'ex' but today went very well) except in ...um....some 'games' we sometimes played.


She didn't like.


Apart from that, I never hit her.


Something tells me violence is not an answer to anything?

I agree, no man or decent True Christian(tm) is violent. That would be terrible! Like any good person, there are times when we have to do things we do not like. Not letting a child have dessert for stealing. Making a girl apologize to a boy for her being a harlot and a whore. Dealing with failing to follow simple instructions using less words than a typical animal fully understands. Sometimes, plain talk does not work and stronger methods of 'correction' must be used, no matter how much it pains the giver. I for one have suffered in silence over and over and over.
1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1st John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1st John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1st John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

1st John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Yet I never whine about it.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Proverbs 5:3-5
For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:
But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.


1st Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1st Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1st Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1st Corinthians 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1st Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1st Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1st Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1st Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1st Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1st Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1st Peter 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1st Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1st Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1st Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1st Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

[HisNoodlyAppendage2]

Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing

They are still around, too.

I know. I was talking about jews who were there before your religion was created.

Is your thesis now, that religion was created in the Medieval times? That is interesting. How do you explain the oldest temple in the world which, according to archaeologists*, dates back to 10,000 years ago, then? And please note that the oldest ceremonial architecture does not mark the advent of religion, but rather is a culmination of a long religious tradition before it.

It's not my thesis. I was trying to explain why religion was so popular in Medieval times. I am aware of ancient cultures, their mythology and religion.

[HisNoodlyAppendage2]

Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing

Obviously, this is the wrong religion.

ISIS is not a religion, it's a terror organisation. They think they follow the Quran and that killing non-believers gives them access to paradise. It was the same about the Crusades. Now, ISIS thinks that if you did this some centuries ago and it's OK for most of people (christians) so they assume they can do it and stay unpunished as well. I'm not saying it's your fault or something, but it' a point where people should take a moment and think about our past and future. Maybe 300 years ago, majority of people are islamists and you are as hated as they are now.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing

I know. I was talking about jews who were there before your religion was created.

I am unsure why you are making assumptions about my beliefs as I am not a True Christian - I lack the necessary faith in things I find too irrational to be believable; I am afraid I will burn in Hell for it, but I just cannot force my mind to believe things which Bible tells me to believe in.

It's not my thesis. I was trying to explain why religion was so popular in Medieval times. I am aware of ancient cultures, their mythology and religion.

So basically, you agree that religion was as popular in Medieval times as it was at any other time in human history. OK, then.

ISIS is not a religion, it's a terror organisation.

You know, you could defend that same thesis if you replace "ISIS" with "Catholic Church", which, it can be easily argued, is the longest-existing criminal organization in human history.

They think they follow the Quran and that killing non-believers gives them access to paradise. It was the same about the Crusades. Now, ISIS thinks that if you did this some centuries ago and it's OK for most of people (christians) so they assume they can do it and stay unpunished as well. I'm not saying it's your fault or something,

Of course not. You cannot blame the messenger for the content of the message. Speaking of which, have you tried reading the Bible yet? Because - spoiler alert - that is the message which justifies every atrocity ever committed by Christians in the name of Christ.

but it' a point where people should take a moment and think about our past and future. Maybe 300 years ago, majority of people are islamists and you are as hated as they are now.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, here.

[HisNoodlyAppendage2]

Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing

I am unsure why you are making assumptions about my beliefs as I am not a True Christian - I lack the necessary faith in things I find too irrational to be believable; I am afraid I will burn in Hell for it, but I just cannot force my mind to believe things which Bible tells me to believe in.

I have to apologize one more time, just didn't notice that (again). But your situation is only good for you. And I'm sure you'd burn in hell if there was one.

So basically, you agree that religion was as popular in Medieval times as it was at any other time in human history. OK, then.

Oeh. Yes, religion was also popular in ancient times, yes, it was popular in Medieval times, it is somehow popular now, but there are many differences. As I said before, in the Medieval times, people needed something to believe in, because they didn't know why some things were happening. The same was in ancient times, yes. Now the times have changed. In some way all of you believe in science or you wouldn't be here now.
Also, there have been different movements, which moved away from the god and jesus' teachings (philosophy, the age of enlightenment, the French Revolution etc) so we can't say religion has always been that popular. There are 1.2 billion non-believers in the world right now, so even nowadays god isn't so popular as christians would like.

You know, you could defend that same thesis if you replace "ISIS" with "Catholic Church", which, it can be easily argued, is the longest-existing criminal organization in human history.

That's the point where I have to agree with you. But same goes for orthodoxy, baptism and other christian movements.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, here.

My mistake again. I wrote it in phone and so quickly, I didn't see the error here. Sorry. What I meant is that not 300 years ago, but 300 years later.

[Ronaldo Cristiano]

Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing

You know, you could defend that same thesis if you replace "ISIS" with "Catholic Church", which, it can be easily argued, is the longest-existing criminal organization in human history.

I totally agree. My life at school was a hell. Between catequesis classes, having to do the first communion, and prayers (catholic idol prayers, I mean) my life at the priest school was a misery.


I am afraid still of nuns. They remind me like some evil penguins.

Psalms 144:11Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood:

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing

And I'm sure you'd burn in hell if there was one.

Gee, thanks for the reassurance.

As I said before, in the Medieval times, people needed something to believe in, because they didn't know why some things were happening. The same was in ancient times, yes. Now the times have changed.

People have been saying this at least since the Enlightenment, and I'm pretty sure a few ancient Greek philosophers said something similar as well. Nonetheless, despite an overall increase of scientific knowledge, religions today are as strong as ever, including the New Agey ones sprouting every day.

In some way all of you believe in science or you wouldn't be here now.

Nobody is supposed to believe in science. That's the difference between science and religion. If you believe in science, that means you have no idea what science is.

Also, there have been different movements, which moved away from the god and jesus' teachings (philosophy, the age of enlightenment, the French Revolution etc) so we can't say religion has always been that popular. There are 1.2 billion non-believers in the world right now, so even nowadays god isn't so popular as christians would like.

I might be overly pessimistic, but I honestly don't think today we have a larger percentage of atheists than ever before, especially when you take under account all of the neopagan/Wiccan/astrology/other New Age stuff.


And when I say atheists, I mean real atheists, that is rationally thinking people, and not people who claim to "believe" in science. Because a person who is gullible enough to believe in something, even science, without evidence, isn't that much different from the flat-earth/six-days literal Bible followers.

That's the point where I have to agree with you. But same goes for orthodoxy, baptism and other christian movements.

And pretty much every other religion of the world. I think the Baha'i are the single noble exception as a religion that did not kill anyone, but it's just a question of time and number of believers.