[Didymus Much]

Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing

...Non-believers are as good people as you...

No, you're not, because "not believing = bad".

That's Religion 101 level stuff, bud.

How about reading the Bible before you criticize it?

[HisNoodlyAppendage2]

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No, you're not, because "not believing = bad".

That's Religion 101 level stuff, bud.

How about reading the Bible before you criticize it?

Oh, sorry, I absolutely forgot, how brainwashed you are.
And I've read some parts of the bible, just because of interest. Interesting stuff, full of fantasy and as good book as Harry potter and LOTR. Moreover, my family used to have the bible in our house, but noone knew, where it was and when we found it during a cleanup, mice had eaten it all. Ironic, isn't it? Even nature shows, what it thinks about your religion.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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Oh, sorry, I absolutely forgot, how brainwashed you are.

Hello Miss or Mr. His. Please note who Mr. Much is - there is a description next to his name. He has been brainwashed into atheism, I suppose, but that did not preclude him from reading the Bible carefully and critically.

And I've read some parts of the bible, just because of interest. Interesting stuff, full of fantasy and as good book as Harry potter and LOTR.

Well, the Bible is much darker, if you will. As far as I know, Harry Potter books are not known for describing genocides in excruciating detail. The Lord of the Rings books do describe some fierce battles, but I don't remember descriptions of children's heads being bashed into stones and pregnant women bellies being opened with swords. I have read Tolkien in the past millennium, though, so maybe I don't remember correctly. Anyway, please correct me if I am wrong, but my impression is that the Bible is much more blood-and-guts-on-the-floor literature than anything Tolkien or Rowling could write.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Domestic violence is a serious crime, you know.

Well, that is what some say. It is only because "Big Government" want's to get involved in every aspect of your private life.

God watches everything I do, and knows why I do it - His looking over me is all I require.

Also, women play upon the idea that they won't be hit. They provoke, and provoke until even a Saint would willing take Brother Titus's solution - and then they go running to their parents, friends, police, etc., protesting their innocence!

I don't think that you are supporting their spitefulness, are you?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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No, I don't feel better, because there is much more to say, but it's hard to find words for all of this.

Interesting double standard, dear. When you talk it's because you have so much to say. When we talk, we're burdening you by forcing you to wade through "a small novel."

I have not seen hospitality here. Yes, you sound polite, but your words are different from the sound. The fact is, I'm here only for entertainment - it's always nice to see people who are trying to protect something that sometimes even they do not believe in. I do not think being called a slut and stupid fool is hospitality, but maybe for you it is. I don't want to put off your religion, because I believe in freedom to believe in whatever I want, not what some weird people on the other side of the world are telling me to.

I see. It's not really information or knowledge you're after, you just want others to make you feel good.

And again, if tou think that I'm selfish person only because I am not a believer, then surprise: you are wrong.

I find you selfish because your arguments are centered on you as the measure of value.

Non-believers are as good people as you, sometimes even better, because we are not trying to kill, rape and use violence on innocent people.

Non-believers have no morals, and time and time again we see on this very forum they have precious little intelligence. Some 14,000 studies (give or take) have been found to conclusively prove that non-believers lack intelligence, moral standards, and even simple common sense. They're burdens upon society, but we don't mind for we have been commissioned with a Divine Order to care for the lesser creatures of the earth. Jesus gave Dominion to the True Christian™ from the very beginning. While Satan may be the lord of this dark world, we know who truly has the Power and who is ultimately Victorious. You should consider joining the winning team!

[HisNoodlyAppendage2]

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Non-believers have no morals, and time and time again we see on this very forum they have precious little intelligence. Some 14,000 studies (give or take) have been found to conclusively prove that non-believers lack intelligence, moral standards, and even simple common sense. They're burdens upon society, but we don't mind for we have been commissioned with a Divine Order to care for the lesser creatures of the earth.

I don't know what kind of sources do you have. Most of the studies show cearly that atheists are more intelligent than believers, because we value rational thinking, while you are trying to avoid it. As an example you can take many famous inventors and scientists.


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In my country the things are also that way... the religious minority is not the smartest group of people. Of course, it depends, I know many stupid atheists and smart christians, but yet it's rare. For example: I graduated from school 3 years ago. It's was one of the "elite" schools in my country. There were 140 students and 3 of them were religious. Take the hint.

[HisNoodlyAppendage2]

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Hello Miss or Mr. His. Please note who Mr. Much is - there is a description next to his name. He has been brainwashed into atheism, I suppose, but that did not preclude him from reading the Bible carefully and critically.

Sorry, I don't notice that, as he was speaking the exact same nonsense as brainwashed believers are. My bad.

[Didymus Much]

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Sorry, I don't notice that, as he was speaking the exact same nonsense as brainwashed believers are...

For the first sentence in my post, you're right; I should have included a "from their perspective".


You really should read the whole Bible. Wouldn't you rather know what the hell you're talking about when you try to poke holes in it?

[HisNoodlyAppendage2]

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You really should read the whole Bible. Wouldn't you rather know what the hell you're talking about when you try to poke holes in it?

I'm not trying to poke holes in the bible our that religion. I accept the fact that some people believe that book as much as i believe my chemistry studybook. Maybe I really should read the whole bible, but let's be honest: as much as I've read some parts of it, the fantasy part is good, othher studies not so much, so nothing would get me to this again. I'm not saying that it's profoundly bad and should be banned, but if people start to take their religion too seriously, the result of this won't be good. Greatest example of this is ISIS.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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I'm not trying to poke holes in the bible our that religion. I accept the fact that some people believe that book as much as i believe my chemistry studybook.

Hello again Mr. or Miss His. Why would you believe your chemistry study book? Isn't it filled with formulas and experiments showing scientific evidence for what it claims?


You need belief only for things you have no proof of. That's the fundamental difference between religion and science.

Maybe I really should read the whole bible, but let's be honest: as much as I've read some parts of it, the fantasy part is good, othher studies not so much, so nothing would get me to this again. I'm not saying that it's profoundly bad and should be banned,

Right now, your opinion that (1) parts of the Bible are good, (2) parts not so much, (3) it is not profoundly bad, and (4) should not be banned, is based solely on your belief derived from your ignorance. That is very easy to fix - just read the whole book and then you can confirm or revisit any of these four claims based on actual evidence.

but if people start to take their religion too seriously, the result of this won't be good. Greatest example of this is ISIS.

I think you are comparing here religion to an illegal drug, or one of the many unhealthy but legal substances such as sugar. If I interpret what you say correctly, you are implying that religion taken in small quantities may be relatively harmless, but prolonged use can lead to serious complications.


That is an interesting thesis and I like the fact that you are using a single argument derived from current world events. However, to make your thesis stronger, you need more arguments. I would suggest digging deeper into history to see the effects of religions - you can either look for examples from anytime/everywhere or concentrate on a single case, e.g. role of Christianity in Europe and areas affected by Christian Europeans, going back all the way to 313 when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.


However, the argument would be even stronger if you read the source which is the foundation of Christianity - the Holy Bible. Read it critically, trying to determine whether there is justification for all of the horrible things done by Christians in the name of their religion. I would not be surprised if after reading the Bible, you would want to revisit some of your four points quoted above.

[HisNoodlyAppendage2]

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However, to make your thesis stronger, you need more arguments. I would suggest digging deeper into history to see the effects of religions - you can either look for examples from anytime/everywhere or concentrate on a single case, e.g. role of Christianity in Europe and areas affected by Christian Europeans, going back all the way to 313 when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

I used to have quite intensive history lessons in school, so I'm aware of the Crusades, reasons and results of them, Jesus's orign and nature, the jews who were there before christianity etc. In the Medieval period, people needed something ultimate to believe in, because they didn't know why things were going like they were. They needed explanation for thunder, famine, hurricanes and therefore some people with high spiritual flight decided to create god(s). I know a lot about Roman empire and it's collapse, the emergence of christianity, money-loving holy men etc, so if you want arguments, just ask

Read it critically, trying to determine whether there is justification for all of the horrible things done by Christians in the name of their religion.

There is no justification for those things and there will never be.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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I used to have quite intensive history lessons in school, so I'm aware of ... Jesus's orign and nature,

This is interesting, Miss or Mr. His. I was unaware that history can tell anything about Jesus' origin and nature, given the complete absence of non-Christian accounts of His life.

the jews who were there before christianity etc.

They are still around, too.

In the Medieval period, people needed something ultimate to believe in, because they didn't know why things were going like they were. They needed explanation for thunder, famine, hurricanes and therefore some people with high spiritual flight decided to create god(s).

Is your thesis now, that religion was created in the Medieval times? That is interesting. How do you explain the oldest temple in the world which, according to archaeologists*, dates back to 10,000 years ago, then? And please note that the oldest ceremonial architecture does not mark the advent of religion, but rather is a culmination of a long religious tradition before it.

so if you want arguments, just ask

Well, you are the person who has presented a thesis, so it's in your best interest to present as many arguments supporting your thesis as you can, and not wait for someone else to drag them out of you.

There is no justification for those things and there will never be.

I might have misspoken, I am not a native speaker of English. What I meant is that a careful and critical reading of the Bible might give you an understanding how Christian people justify things like genocide, slavery, oppression of women, etc. I am not arguing whether such things are justifiable from a modern/Western understanding of ethics/morality. I just want you to be able to tell me whether the Holy Bible can be used as justification of these things - disregarding the modern/Western understanding of ethics/morality you have been socialized to think of as common sense.



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* The members of this lovely church will disagree as that would place it before the Biblical creation of the world.

[James Hutchins]

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I have to laugh at the use of all this 'science' used to explain things that the Bible already covered. Sort of like a man trying to figure out why he is soaking wet when even the simplest of people could tell it was from standing outside while Jesus wept.
Now, to be fair to 'Free Will', my father insisted I be open minded and look at things from both sides. So I went to school, got a masters degree in Organic Chemistry. But no matter how many ways I tried, I never once had a creature crawl out of a bowl of slime or a open jar of Peanut Butter(c) (I tried both the smooth and crunchy as my Masters Thesis).
No scientist has ever made a person, except in those old Frankenstein movies. What 'scientist have done is make drugs that cause people to see things and hear things that simply are not there. All kinds of false beliefs.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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if people start to take their religion too seriously, the result of this won't be good.

No! It will be good if it is the right religion! We will all do and think the same things - this is why Christianity is united.

Greatest example of this is ISIS.

Obviously, this is the wrong religion.

[Ronaldo Cristiano]

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I have to laugh at the use of all this 'science' used to explain things that the Bible already covered. Sort of like a man trying to figure out why he is soaking wet when even the simplest of people could tell it was from standing outside while Jesus wept.
Now, to be fair to 'Free Will', my father insisted I be open minded and look at things from both sides. So I went to school, got a masters degree in Organic Chemistry. But no matter how many ways I tried, I never once had a creature crawl out of a bowl of slime or a open jar of Peanut Butter© (I tried both the smooth and crunchy as my Masters Thesis).
No scientist has ever made a person, except in those old Frankenstein movies. What 'scientist have done is make drugs that cause people to see things and hear things that simply are not there. All kinds of false beliefs.

Actualy, I have never, really never , hit my wife (perhaps nearly 'ex' but today went very well) except in ...um....some 'games' we sometimes played.


She didn't like.


Apart from that, I never hit her.


Something tells me violence is not an answer to anything?