[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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I shall worship God my own way, I'll let him know I care. I won't let the bible nor you tell me I'm wrong.

Oh. You are simply going to make up something you like and worship that? Great. You are clearly a woman. Men think more clearly than that.

[Billy Ram]

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If this kid is a day older than 14 I'll kiss the pope.

The thought of kissing Ratzinger made me throw up a little in my mouth.

[jessev]

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Well, I have to admit this has been a rather interesting forum to come across. I'll be honest and frank, I'm a bit of an agnostic. Now, I can very well understand that you wish for me to know God's love. And I am grateful. I have been reading a fair bit of things on these different subjects. And while I'm not here to judge anyone myself, It's a little disconcerting to promote god's love for the people on earth and yet have such hate against those who inhabit it. I have read the comments made about people here on this forum as well as those abroad. Such as the animosity towards the Japanese. I will not claim to being a scholor as I am still furthering my own education where I am. However, I can't understand how so many claim to know exactly what god wants. The bible has many many good things to say within it. And I actually live my life as a christian, as my family is. However, I do not keep myself so closed minded as to follow things blindly. I want to believe in something because I believe in it, not just because someone tells me that it is so. We are all human. We are all imperfect. We are all individuals. Stamping a label on someone because they are not exactly like you doesn't seem to me like it's putting much effort into trying to spread God's word and love. Unless you strictly follow the Old Testement and think that God is a vengeful and wrathful god that you should fear.

There are many religions in the world. Some make sense; others do not. However, most have the same roots. To insult the Jews is rather harsh. God abandons no one and favors no one because he loves all and his love is unfathomable. At least that is what I have been taught. And if you truly accept Christ as your savior for your sins, you will be accepted into heaven. I believe this to an extent. But I cannot fathom that there is only one absolute way into heaven. Is a person with no belief who is kind to those he knows and does what he can to be a good person be worse than a catholic priest who molested children or stole money from the church? Maybe that's a little unfair for me to say, as it is not the norm. But it does happen. There are plenty of 'good' people out there who do not belief the same thing I believe in or that you believe in. It just doesn't make sense to me that if you don't follow everything 'by the book', that you're condemned to everlasting hell. Just thinking about it logically doesn't make sense to me. I view the bible as being a book of stories that may or may not have been divinely inspired. However, it has also been written and re-writted again and again by man.

There are many mistranslations in the bible depending on the version that you read. Translating from the original Hebrew bible is imperfect. There are words that do not translate so well or don't have the same meaning at all. I've seen several examples, though am unable to reference any at this particular moment in time because I do not feel like spending that much time looking up at this current time.

I've spoken my mind on this, and I'm sure that what I have said here will change no one's mind in here. You are likely dead-set in your ways. I respect you for wanting to know and love Jesus and God. But please don't let your hatred towards others in the world blind you for wanting to help the world. For instance, with the Japanese; World War II happened many many years ago. Things change. People change. It is not the same country it once was at that era. My grandfather (who is still alive and very active within his church, mind you) served within the Navy during WWII. Unlike some of those who are here, he knows and understands how to forgive others. It is not anyone's place to judge another. And putting a label on anyone is passing judgement, no matter how you justify it.

I apologise for going on for so long. But I really wanted to get this out. I don't particularly want to draw this out for too long, but I will read whatever anyone responds to this.

[Nobar King]

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Please try not to be so closed minded, Jesse. You obviously have a lot to learn about the Bible.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Jess, if you truly think that God never turns His loving back on anyone, then you have another think coming. Read the Bible before attacking us for following it.

[Reprise]

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reading the beginning pages of this post, i was astonished at how much flaming was going on, along with the amount of racism toward the Japanese and also its culture. religion in itself is a bad idea in my eyes, all it causes is conflict after conflict, and please understand that this statement is not only aimed at christianity, but at all faiths and religions. It is not, in my view, that the actual believers are bad people, but the religion and the way people interpret the messages. some take them too literally, some not literally enough, and others just miss interpret them completely.

Anyway, back to the point - there is nothing wrong in the way that a certain person chooses to dress - just because an individual decides to wear a black dress and seeks attention through means of looking (to quote a post earlier in this thread) "'slutty' does not meen that they are the devil reincarnated and need to be told to do otherwise. There is something the western world and it seems most of the people on this thread are lacking. Respect for others and their choices. I meen we live in a world now where you cannot justify racism, or prejudice of any kind toward someone or a group of people that have been 'labeled' as goths, or emo's, or chav's (dont ask if you aren't from the UK ). Basically i hope that people will realize how down right stupid they sound, and ignorant of other cultures when they insult and ridicule others with no reason or regard to how other people might feel about the matter, in all honestly its almost selfish.

Lastly i would like to add that i don't care about whether or not you think i have a point, all that matters is that you acknowledge my view and accept that is how i am and how i feel. I am an atheist, and that suits me fine, deal with it or don't.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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reading the beginning pages of this post, i was astonished at how much flaming was going on, along with the amount of racism toward the Japanese and also its culture. religion in itself is a bad idea in my eyes, all it causes is conflict after conflict, and please understand that this statement is not only aimed at christianity, but at all faiths and religions. It is not, in my view, that the actual believers are bad people, but the religion and the way people interpret the messages. some take them too literally, some not literally enough, and others just miss interpret them completely.

Anyway, back to the point - there is nothing wrong in the way that a certain person chooses to dress - just because an individual decides to wear a black dress and seeks attention through means of looking (to quote a post earlier in this thread) "'slutty' does not meen that they are the devil reincarnated and need to be told to do otherwise. There is something the western world and it seems most of the people on this thread are lacking. Respect for others and their choices. I meen we live in a world now where you cannot justify racism, or prejudice of any kind toward someone or a group of people that have been 'labeled' as goths, or emo's, or chav's (dont ask if you aren't from the UK ). Basically i hope that people will realize how down right stupid they sound, and ignorant of other cultures when they insult and ridicule others with no reason or regard to how other people might feel about the matter, in all honestly its almost selfish.

Lastly i would like to add that i don't care about whether or not you think i have a point, all that matters is that you acknowledge my view and accept that is how i am and how i feel. I am an atheist, and that suits me fine, deal with it or don't.

What is your point?

[Pertolepe]

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To quote Gandhi:
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

Seriously, the racism and ignorance in here is unbelievable. Jesus called for love and peace. The fact that we are one of the most violent and warmongering countries in the world is so against that it's ridiculous. Anyone that promotes hate or violence on another culture on any other human being for that matter is not Christian. You have no proof that any man out there was chosen to write or translate the Bible to its current state beyond claiming faith, and that is solely because it happens to follow with your chosen opinions and hatred.

I have faith that the Bible is imperfect, has been made more so, and that love and peace for the entirety of humanity is really all that matters. If you're convinced that those who take pleasure out of life and live being tolerant of all aren't going to be inhabiting paradise then fine, take it, I want no part of that and neither would Christ.

[Wide-Open]

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I have faith that the Bible is imperfect, has been made more so, and that love and peace for the entirety of humanity is really all that matters. If you're convinced that those who take pleasure out of life and live being tolerant of all aren't going to be inhabiting paradise then fine, take it, I want no part of that and neither would Christ.

Hi Adam. You are free to believe what you want, and make up your own flavor of Christianity. The problem is: you will still go to hell.

Have you read Christ's book? It's called, oddly enough, The Bible. Do you think God is so weak that He couldn't make sure His True Words were written down properly? Of course not, and that's why we have the KJV 1611 Authorized version.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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To quote Gandhi:
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

You mean that dothead fascist who used to beat his wife? The one who worshiped a blue-skinned beast as a God and rejected Jesus? Am I supposed to feel bad because a little brown demon criticized the Christianity that he chose not to follow?

Seriously, the racism and ignorance in here is unbelievable. Jesus called for love and peace. The fact that we are one of the most violent and warmongering countries in the world is so against that it's ridiculous. Anyone that promotes hate or violence on another culture on any other human being for that matter is not Christian. You have no proof that any man out there was chosen to write or translate the Bible to its current state beyond claiming faith, and that is solely because it happens to follow with your chosen opinions and hatred.

Yes, it is quite true that waves of unsaved scum such as yourself wander into our Godly forum spewing hatred and venom, but you can hardly blame that on us.

The only people we hate are those who hate God, just as the Bible commands. You see, Landover Baptist Church, unlike all the other false Christian churches out there, chooses to follow every single word of the Holy Bible, not just some of them. If that is your definition of "hate" then you have to take it up with God.

By the way, please show us where Jesus called for "love and peace" in the Bible.

Oh wait, you don't believe in the Bible's authority, do you....So then what do you care what it says?

I have faith that the Bible is imperfect, has been made more so, and that love and peace for the entirety of humanity is really all that matters. If you're convinced that those who take pleasure out of life and live being tolerant of all aren't going to be inhabiting paradise then fine, take it, I want no part of that and neither would Christ.

You have no faith at all. You know nothing about Jesus other than what you overheard on Oprah one afternoon. You've never been to an actual Christian church in your life. You don't believe in God. So who are you to come in here uninvited and start telling us how wrong we all are?

I'd like to direct your attention to THIS thread, designed to answer questions such as yours.

[TheSprituralist]

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Oooh, I wonder how many people get attracted to these forums just because of how funny they are from a third person's perspective. Rascism because someone doesn't follow your religion, woo!

Gandhi preached love and peace, no matter what religion he followed. I'm sure God would not want people to demonize others just because of what religion they take, for all religions believe in some aspect of a higher power, but define it differently (and most religions have their roots in the same areas, in terms of creation stories and such). Yet... the words you chose to describe him somewhat disturb me... and show how much of a hypocrite you are. Religion isn't supposed to be a "my way or the high way" type of thing, unless you're Muslim, in which case you're blowing yourself and others up in a Jihad. People find themselves through religion, and sometimes escape from it to better themselves, because of the crap like this that comes from it being forced upon them.

I have to agree, that the Bible is imperfect. *awaits the flaming, because its the only way that someone will reply unless its someone not from this site* A book that has remained unchanged for years has great morals to follow, but Christ, it was made two thousand years ago. Not everything applies anymore. Even the Constitution, the document that allows you to practice your religion and criticize others openly has had numerous changes over the years. Pull this stuff in Russia, or some other country, and see what happens.

A little about myself (just to see what gets said in the upcoming flame post): Yeah, I believe that theres a higher power, who performs some function in watching over us. No, I don't think I should go to church to worship such a being, that acknowledging his presence should be enough (unlike you Sunday churchgoers, who believe that your sins will be abolished, can sin all week from Monday to Saturday, then clear your conscience on Sundays just to repeat the cycle.) I don't actively look for miracles, or things to prove my belief, but when they happen, thats great! If I only look for things to prove my belief, then I'm fooling myself into a psychological confirmation bias, ignoring all evidence against the contrary.

Personally, I think that religion in general is just a way for people to try and put the world in perspective for them, and explain what they cannot in scientific terms. Fear of death, what may lie beyond the grave (if anything), trancendence, the existence of a spirit/soul/other entity, how the world was created (common in many religions, with many linking factors between them), and many other things are covered by religion. Many religions share common themes in how they explain these things, and while names may change and a few words may be skewed, most religions are essentially the same.

Not to say that those things I mentioned don't exist. People have a huge amount of undiscovered potential, and much of the world remains unexplained, much to the dismay of the scientists. Quantum mechanics is a largely unexplored area that even Einstein hated as being too random, matter just can pop in and out of existence, without any good reason for doing so. Is it possible that people are able to influence things on such a small level, that we can change things to our liking? (See Schrodinger, and his theories on this) Anyone can believe in anything, true, but do they believe strongly in it enough to make it become reality?

Belief is half the equation: if you believe something strongly enough it is more likely to occur. People who believe in their religions search for nothing more than a few things that support just that religion, and are blind to the many facts that may deny their reveling in the "I told you so's." The biggest factor of religion is the human mind, which strains itself to find patterns that fit its way of thinking. When is the last time you thought of someone, and they called, or texted you, or something similar? You say "Oh, I was just thinking about you" and thats that. Now, how many times have you thought of something and they haven't called? Okay, thats better.

My personal views on religion are as such: I refuse to be restricted into believing just what one "church" or other such organization views. I will believe only what I want to believe, only what makes sense in my mind. Lillith was removed from the Bible, supposedly Adams first wife and a symbol of women being equal to men in power, until she said "screw you" and left Eden. Censorship... and likely the reason for womens repression over the years. See what I'm saying? No one religion provides for everything in a satisfactory way, at least for me, and the aloof answers that are provided (and ultimately, bite themselves in the ass as a way of avoiding the question. "It is God's will" never was good enough for me). I consider myself nondenominational, with a belief that there is more than just this physical existence, but not necessarily any order or guiding force beyond what we make.

Rant sectionReligion is a man made tool. Written by man, whether divinely inspired or not, it was made by people, every day people of the age. Don't believe me? You can just start up your religion of whatever you want to believe in. There, you're divinely inspired. Go take some drugs, then the voices will come. Write it down, and you've got your religions first Book. Thats all Bible means, Book in Greek (from biblos, the Greek word for the Egyptian papyrus plant, which was used in making paper, and which was further extended to most things written on them being called biblos as well).But the term Bible is just as man made as the book itself; nowhere in the Holy Scriptures will you ever see mention of the word Bible. People believed there was a God, so maybe there is now. Likely, before people even existed, there wasn't, so God is a product of our imaginations, but we put ourselves under our own creation. Really doesn't make sense there; any life that we create would likely see us as a god in some form, at least, for a while.

Seriously, guys. Hypocrits are funny to watch, keep this thread up.

[TheSprituralist]

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I realize it may take you more time to read through my post than you obviously read through the Bible, as you attempt to understand what kind of person I am before you flat out flame. Wish you tried to interpret the Bible as much. This'll probably be my last post, because the ignorance here of the religious extremists is UNBEARABLE. But yeah, the thread is funny to watch.

I leave you here with this: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe you're saving other people by being complete assholes... but who's going to be there to save you? Good day, kiddies.

[Wide-Open]

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Let me get this straight Pogo: you come here to insult us (Hypocrits) and yet you expect us to read your, erm, rather voluminous rant?

Are you one of those people who think our Godly Bandwidth(TM) is free?

Let's face it, you are just trolling us aren't you?

2 Chronicles 36:16
But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy.

Expect the wrath of the Lord pretty soon friend.

[Hymie Goldberg]

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I realize it may take you more time to read through my post than you obviously read through the Bible, as you attempt to understand what kind of person I am before you flat out flame. Wish you tried to interpret the Bible as much. This'll probably be my last post, because the ignorance here of the religious extremists is UNBEARABLE. But yeah, the thread is funny to watch.

I leave you here with this: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe you're saving other people by being complete assholes... but who's going to be there to save you? Good day, kiddies.

Who cares what you think? Not us, that's who!

What sort of person comes into a place uninvited and starts insulting the residents?

A rude person.

A person who was not parented correctly.

A person who may not have had parents, at all.

A hell-bound person, that's who.

Hymie

[TheSprituralist]

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I know I'm probably going to hell in a handbasket with the rest of you guys here, for HALF the shit I've done. I've already got my spot reserved: A lovely water front property on the Lake of Fire. I have air conditioning. See you there