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  • H. Montague Worthington
    True Christian™ Entrepreneur
    True Christian™
    • Sep 2006
    • 2716

    #1

    Let Men Make Abortion Decision

    I have been saying this for years: If you let men make the final decision about whether a woman is allowed to have an abortion, it will cut down on the number of unborn children these foolish women end up destroying.

    And now, legislators in Ohio are taking action!

    Abortion law would give fathers a say State legislators propose change; opponents blast bill as 'extreme'
    July 30, 2007
    By Mike Hixenbaugh

    Several Ohio state representatives who normally take an anti-abortion stance are now pushing pro-choice legislation - sort of.

    Led by Rep. John Adams, a group of state legislators have submitted a bill that would give fathers of unborn children a final say in whether or not an abortion can take place.

    It's a measure that, supporters say, would finally give fathers a choice.

    "This is important because there are always two parents and fathers should have a say in the birth or the destruction of that child," said Adams, a Republican from Sidney. "I didn't bring it up to draw attention to myself or to be controversial. In most cases, when a child is born the father has financial responsibility for that child, so he should have a say."

    As written, the bill would ban women from seeking an abortion without written consent from the father of the fetus. In cases where the identity of the father is unknown, women would be required to submit a list of possible fathers. The physician would be forced to conduct a paternity test from the provided list and then seek paternal permission to abort.

    Claiming to not know the father's identity is not a viable excuse, according to the proposed legislation. Simply put: no father means no abortion.

    "I'm really pleased that this has been proposed for one reason - it draws attention to the fact that many men are concerned and care for their unborn children," said Denise Mackura, the director of the Ohio Right to Life Society. "You have no idea how many men call telling me about their girlfriends who plan to abort, asking what they can do to help her. They do want to help and they should have a voice."

    With the proposal, men would be guaranteed that voice under penalty of law. First time violators would by tried for abortion fraud, a first degree misdemeanor. The same would be the case for men who falsely claim to be fathers and for medical workers who knowingly perform an abortion without paternal consent.

    In addition, women would be required to present a police report in order to prove a pregnancy is the result of rape or incest.

    As is the case whenever abortion is the topic, sharp opposition has come from members of the House, along with multiple activist groups. The National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Activist League and the Ohio Right to Life Society have both spoken out against the legislation.

    "This extreme bill shows just how far some of our state legislators are willing to go to rally a far-right base that is frustrated with the pro-choice gains made in the last election," said NARAL Pro-choice Ohio executive director Kellie Copeland. "It is completely out of touch with Ohio's mainstream values. This measure is a clear attack on a woman's freedom and privacy."

    The proposal came less than two weeks after Rep. Tom Brinkman proposed legislation that would ban all abortions in Ohio. Brinkman, a Republican from Cincinnati, was one of eight representatives to co-sponsor Adams' bill.

    More.... http://www.recordpub.com/news/article/2327981

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  • Brother Temperance
    Senior Usher
    True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
    A very nice young man
    True Christian™
    • Sep 2006
    • 15621

    #2
    Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

    Originally posted by H. Montague Worthington View Post
    I have been saying this for years: If you let men make the final decision about whether a woman is allowed to have an abortion, it will cut down on the number of unborn children these foolish women end up destroying.

    And now, legislators in Ohio are taking action!
    Praise! If some foolish harlot can't keep herself under control, to the point where she provokes some poor innocent man into raping her, why on earth should be trusted with a decision as important as killing her baby? The poor victimised rapist/father is obviously the first person who should be consulted on this sort of issue.
    O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



    God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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    • Pastor Isaac Peters
      Senior Pastor
      Ex-liberal; converted to True Christianity™
      Always Biblically correct
      True Christian™
      • Sep 2006
      • 10639

      #3
      Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

      While I agree that a man should have the final say, does this bill give the final say to the right man? A woman's reproductive ability is the property of her husband if she is married:

      Ex. 21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].

      If not, it is her father's property:

      Ex. 22:16-17: And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

      Therefore, I believe that the choice over what happens in the woman's womb should go to the rightful owner of that womb.
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      • Ashesofthesacredflame
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        • Aug 2007
        • 15

        #4
        Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

        My friend's a guy and ever child he's concieved, he has been the one paying for the abortion. Do you really think someone like him should be making the final decision?

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        • Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.
          Scientific Advisor
          True Christian™
          • Sep 2006
          • 2373

          #5
          Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

          Originally posted by Ashesofthesacredflame View Post
          My friend's a guy and ever child he's concieved, he has been the one paying for the abortion. Do you really think someone like him should be making the final decision?
          First things first, if "he" is able to conceive, I don't think "he" should be allowed to make any decisions. It is sickening that "he" cannot accept "his" God-given role and is forced to be part-man part-woman. Next you'll be saying that "he" fornicated with "himself" and conceived with "his" own child But you're right, no, "he" should not be allowed to make any decisions. Obviously "he" hates Jesus more than the average "man".
          Last edited by Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.; 08-21-2007, 12:55 PM.
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          • Brother Temperance
            Senior Usher
            True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
            A very nice young man
            True Christian™
            • Sep 2006
            • 15621

            #6
            Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

            Originally posted by Ashesofthesacredflame View Post
            My friend's a guy and ever child he's concieved, he has been the one paying for the abortion. Do you really think someone like him should be making the final decision?
            No, another man should. But still, the women needed to give their approval to the abortion, unless he just shoved them down the stairs. And, as sinful as it is for a man to pay for an abortion, it'd be even worse for the woman to pay for it, since that'd indicate she had a job. If there's one thing worse than a baby-killer, it's a baby-killing woman who works outside the home.
            O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



            God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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            • Ashesofthesacredflame
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              • Aug 2007
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              #7
              Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

              Originally posted by Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S. View Post
              First things first, if "he" is able to conceive, I don't think "he" should be allowed to make any decisions. It is sickening that "he" cannot accept "his" God-given role and is forced to be part-man part-woman. Next you'll be saying that "he" fornicated with "himself" and conceived with "his" own child But you're right, no, "he" should not be allowed to make any decisions. Obviously "he" hates Jesus more than the average "man".
              What's with the quotations? Just curious.

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              • Glendora Christianson
                Spiritual Mother of LBC
                True Christian™
                • Sep 2006
                • 2329

                #8
                Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

                Originally posted by H. Montague Worthington View Post
                I have been saying this for years: If you let men make the final decision about whether a woman is allowed to have an abortion, it will cut down on the number of unborn children these foolish women end up destroying.

                And now, legislators in Ohio are taking action!
                I think it is only fitting that the men should make such an important decision. Most gals can't even balance a checkbook. Also, all daughters of Eve are responsible for her sins and it seems that the perfect men should be allowed to save their souls, rather than let a mere woman tarnish them. I do believe a woman should still be allowed to abort a gay fetus without approval, but only it that instance.
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                • Amara
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                  • Aug 2007
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                  #9
                  Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

                  Originally posted by Glendora Christianson View Post
                  I do believe a woman should still be allowed to abort a gay fetus without approval, but only it that instance.
                  I'm not quite sure what you mean by "gay fetus."
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                  • Pastor Isaac Peters
                    Senior Pastor
                    Ex-liberal; converted to True Christianity™
                    Always Biblically correct
                    True Christian™
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 10639

                    #10
                    Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

                    Originally posted by Glendora Christianson View Post
                    Also, all daughters of Eve are responsible for her sins and it seems that the perfect men should be allowed to save their souls, rather than let a mere woman tarnish them.
                    Indeed, and what better way is there for a woman to be saved than by baking new soldiers for Jesus:

                    I Tim. 2:11-15: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
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                    • Brother Temperance
                      Senior Usher
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                      • Sep 2006
                      • 15621

                      #11
                      Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

                      Originally posted by Amara View Post
                      I'm not quite sure what you mean by "gay fetus."
                      And that's exactly why muddle-headed women like you shouldn't be allowed to make abortion decisions. Fancy not being able to recognise a queer foetus!
                      O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                      God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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                      • Daisy Mae Johnson
                        The Future Mrs. Ezekiel Flint
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                        True Christian™
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 15708

                        #12
                        Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

                        Originally posted by Amara View Post
                        I'm not quite sure what you mean by "gay fetus."

                        Here is a baby that was a "gay fetus". Notice how he just can't stop himself from sucking on knobs? I'm not surpised he is a chink though.

                        If he would have been aborted, his parents would not have to raise this gay abomination. I'm sure he will grow up to be some kind of fag interior designer or a fitness instructor like Richards Simmons.

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                        • Pastor Al E Pistle
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                          • Sep 2006
                          • 9323

                          #13
                          Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

                          Originally posted by Amara View Post
                          I'm not quite sure what you mean by "gay fetus."
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                          • Rachael Van Helsing
                            HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 5131

                            #14
                            Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

                            You sexist male chauvinists would be singing a different tune if women were placed in power of the decision of whether or not to make men eunuchs.

                            You have no right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body.
                            Last edited by Rachael Van Helsing; 08-23-2007, 12:58 AM.
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                            • Seeker
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                              • Aug 2007
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                              #15
                              Re: Let Men Make Abortion Decision

                              Abortion decisions are sick no matter how you want to slice it.

                              If the Lord leads you to it, he will get you through it.

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