[Didymus Much]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

I actually like to defacate on my children and wife...

Spellcheckers are free, and really help maintain the illusion that you're more than a 12 year old troll when on a Baptist Church website.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/defecate

[BrotherAlex]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

I actually like to defacate on my children and wife when they misbehave. I have found nothing against this the the KJV, if anyone wants to poi t it out that would be great.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

you are a sick person!! i recently had a daughter and i would never put my hands on her to hurt her in anyway!! i'm glad your daughter is now with god and she will watch you burn in hell when you die (hopefully a painful death)

Just because girls/women are unclean doesn't mean that they don't need to be disciplined

God often kills children because the parents (or one of the parents) has done something wrong. Look at King David, for example:

II Samuel 12
13 And Dauid saide vnto Nathan, I haue sinned against the Lord. And Nathan saide vnto Dauid, The Lord also hath put away thy sinne, thou shalt not die.
14 Howbeit, because by this deede thou hast giuen great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the childe also that is borne vnto thee, shall surely die.
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I've read through the thread again, and checked out the scriptures, and can't find any support for the ridiculous position you seem to be adopting: that 3 month old children should not be beaten. You are under the influence of Satan, and unless you follow God's word you will be dragging your daughter along to Hell with you!!

God tells us:

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishnesse is bound in the heart of a child: but the rod of correction shal driue it farre from him.
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NOTICE HOW IT DOESN'T SAY "..bound in the heart of a child aged over 3 months.."? or "..the rod of correction (once they've attained the age of 15 weeks).."? as you are implying was God's intention. The Bible is quite clear:

Proverbs 30
5 Euery word of God is pure: he is a shield vnto them that put their trust in him.
6 Adde thou not vnto his words, lest he reproue thee, and thou be found a lyar.
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God does not like people who tell lies. He tells us:

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not adde vnto the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish ought from it, that ye may keepe the Commaundements of the Lord your God, which I command you.
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You can choose Hell if you feel like being tortured forever in a lake of fire and brimstone, as described by God - but why condemn your children to the same fate? At least give them a chance!

[kekepalmer]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

My daughter was 3 months old. I had beaten her because she was crying too loud. In that night she died and that was a sign from God. I felt that God took her away because she was cursed. In that time i had bad thoughts about my friend. He had the better job and the better life then me. I was jealous that this man had so much more success. So i commited murder in my heart.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

But God has forgiven me and 2 years later God gave me a son, and i was so thankful.

you are a sick person!! i recently had a daughter and i would never put my hands on her to hurt her in anyway!! i'm glad your daughter is now with god and she will watch you burn in hell when you die (hopefully a painful death)

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

My father destroyed me with VA of weapons...whips,bats,knifes,pipes...you named it - it was broken from my head - the result is

i am an expert in demonology,necromancy,chaos magic,black arts...again you name it and above that every time my father try to kick me around he automatically gets LUCIFER'S TOUCH - one of the most destructive hex i know and eventually when i stopped living with him i send that curse from time to time to remind him that i am still out there and one day i will use his soul for my needs.

I'm assuming he beat you a little too hard about the head. Perhaps some body work would have smartened you up.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

i am an expert in demonology,necromancy,chaos magic,black arts...again you name it and above that every time my father try to kick me around he automatically gets LUCIFER'S TOUCH - one of the most destructive hex i know and eventually when i stopped living with him i send that curse from time to time to remind him that i am still out there and one day i will use his soul for my needs.

This is a very powerful prayer against Witchcraft. This prayer can shut down witches and satanists forever. Being that this prayer basically shuts down the senders of the hexes and vexes by returning their evil to them sevenfold. I hurl it at you now in Christ's name!

Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my church and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the Blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

Thanks for reminding us that The Bible teaches all we need, especially in the important arena of disciplining children. III John v4

However I noticed one or two words that are unlikely to be typo's and may suggest a remnant of papist influence: II Corinthians 13:5

• your favorite crucifix.
• Sirach 30:1

The Pastors will be able to assess that, if you were to contact one of them - and fetch it out of you as/if necessary. II Peter 3:14

[Margot]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

My father destroyed me with VA of weapons...whips,bats,knifes,pipes...you named it - it was broken from my head - the result is

i am an expert in demonology,necromancy,chaos magic,black arts...again you name it and above that every time my father try to kick me around he automatically gets LUCIFER'S TOUCH - one of the most destructive hex i know and eventually when i stopped living with him i send that curse from time to time to remind him that i am still out there and one day i will use his soul for my needs.

[Godshumblechild]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

I agree.

Last time my 4 year old told me "NO" I hit her so hard that I broke her jaw, and now she can not eat, let alone sass me.

I know I did the right thing according to God because the Bible I hit her with upon landing on the floor opened to Leviticus 23 and a drop of her blood was on the following passage....

"The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies."


That tells me she is it be held accountable for her actions.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

Dog training equipment can be quite handy to have around.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

I read the points in the original post, and was a little concerned about this one:

-The Dragon Kick: If you're interested in a permanent solution to your child giving you lip about washing the dishes, cleaning his or her room or filing your tax return, then the Dragon kick might be the technique for you. I guarantee that you will only have to ask once after the Dragon kick has been administered.

especially in the light of what gypsyr0ad wrote (or dictated into a voice-recognition device):

And if you serious think those quotes from God means he wants you to hit your kids so hard that you leave bruises and they cower in fear of your presence, you are sadly mistaken.

In the case of children who disobey a clear instruction - such as wash the dishes - God is quite clear:

DEUTERONOMY 21
18 If a man haue a stubborne and rebellious sonne, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that when they haue chastened him, wil not hearken vnto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out vnto the Elders of his citie, and vnto the gate of his place:
20 And they shall say vnto the Elders of his citie, This our sonne is stubborne, and rebellious, hee will not obey our voice: he is a glutton, & a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that hee die: so shalt thou put euill away from among you, and all Israel shall heare, & feare.
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Now compare: “..hit your kids so hard that you leave bruises..”
• GOD INSTRUCTS US (not suggests, recommends, allows) TO HIT THE LITTLE WRETCH SO HARD, WITH ROCKS THAT IT IS KILLED.

Jesus already paid harshly for our sins, and your children's as well.

Well firstly of course, that only works where Jesus' Perfect Sacrifice is accepted. However I checked the details of the various sacrifices made by the Levitical priesthood and The High Priest, from the time of Moses onwards, and compared numerous points given in the New Testament, particularly in Hebrews.

There is a difference been behaviour & discipline and sin & sacrifice.

The Bible tells us:

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishnesse is bound in the heart of a child: but the rod of correction shal driue it farre from him.
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This is not about sin, as such. We know that disobedient children must be killed, but kids do act a bit silly at times - I know I did - and it is always appropriate to beat them with a rod to correct their foolish behaviour.

There is no mention of sacrifices being required in this specific context. Sacrifices were made for sin, yes - including the sin of disease - and were specified; these remainedl current at the time of Jesus and I'll cite a single example:

MATTHEW 8
1 When he was come downe from the Mountaine, great multitudes folowed him.
2 And behold, there came a leper, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, If thou wilt, thou canst make me cleane.
3 And Iesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will, bee thou cleane. And immediately his leprosie was cleansed.
4 And Iesus saith vnto him, See thou tell no man, but go thy way, shew thy selfe to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded [see Leviticus 14 ] for a testimonie vnto them.
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The Bible explains that the old, Leviitcal sacrifices of the Mosaic Law were rendered obsolete by Jesus' perfect sacrifice. But that doesn't mean that children no longer need to be disciplined, and the point is made quite clear

HERE: Ephesians 6:4 And yee fathers, prouoke not your children to wrath: but bring them vp in the nourture and admonition of the Lord.
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HERE: I Timothy 3:4 One that ruleth well his owne house, hauing his children in subiection with all grauitie.
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HERE: Hebrews 12:7 If yee endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sonnes: for what sonne is he whom the father chasteneth not?
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HERE: Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a fewe dayes chastened vs [i.e. when we were children] after their owne pleasure, but hee for our profit, that we might bee partakers of his holinesse.
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HERE: Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be ioyous, but grieuous: neuerthelesse, afterward it yeeldeth the peaceable fruite of righteousnesse, vnto them which are exercised thereby.
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When we read the words of false "Christians" who distort the Scriptures, we know that we are reading the words of Satan:

II CORINTHIANS 4
1 Therefore, seeing we haue this ministery, as we haue receiued mercie wee faint not:
2 But haue renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftines, nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the trueth, commending our selues to euery mans conscience, in the sight of God.
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II PETER 3
16 As also in all his Epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be vnderstood, which they that are vnlearned and vnstable wrest, as they doe also the other Scriptures, vnto their owne destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloued, seeing yee know these things before, beware lest yee also being led away with the errour of the wicked, fall from your owne stedfastnesse.
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God is clear in His instruction, concerning which children are to be killed - and which are to be beaten. We accept His guidance: it is a part of His Perfect Love. We know that the naysayers are tools in Satan's hand, jerked around at his whim and erupting filth to extend the corruption with which he would fill the whole world. We know because God has told us:

II CORINTHIANS 4
3 But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which beleeue not, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine vnto them.
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HALLELUJAH !

[loveforchrist]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

Beating is not the only answer, I should hope your kids are not so scared of you that they are afraid to talk to you about what ever.

or do they cower in fear at your presence and you never know what they are thinking?

My kids talk when I command them to. Children are better seen than heard. This teaches them respect.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

Beating is not the only answer, I should hope your kids are not so scared of you that they are afraid to talk to you about what ever.

or do they cower in fear at your presence and you never know what they are thinking?

There might be other answers. But beatings with a rod must be the best method since it is the one that God recommends. Do you think you know more about how to raise a child than God does?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

Beating is not the only answer, I should hope your kids are not so scared of you that they are afraid to talk to you about what ever.

or do they cower in fear at your presence and you never know what they are thinking?

Nobody said that beating was the only answer, but it is one of the tools recommended by God to raise decent Christian children.

I'm guessing that your father never laid a good Christian beating on you, right? That's why you turned out the way you did. You probably have a queer pastor in your church, right?

[joedirtforbrains]

Re: Hitting children... "Abuse"? No. Encouragement? Yes.

Beating is not the only answer, I should hope your kids are not so scared of you that they are afraid to talk to you about what ever.

or do they cower in fear at your presence and you never know what they are thinking?