[Cranky Old Man]

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Actually I know quite a few, thanks and they're lovely, funny, caring people

Are they holding a knife near your throat while you are typing this?

[nyan_cat_natz666]

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It is so funny when 16 years old tries to tell how things are to people who actually have some experience. Oh, I remember when I was 16, I thought that old people do not understand anything. They don't know how to live and have fun. Later I understood that it was like I trying to teach my dad how to make children.

Well, anyway. I know a few Goth. Quite retard people. They try to be individual by forming a common subculture.

20 years and you either shame what you are now or you lie on street having overdosed and raped by other satan serving fellow Goths.

YiC, Miikkael

And in 20 years when I'm probably more successful than you because you couldnt properly see the outside world, then I'll find you and prove you wrong. And haha, overdosed? seriously? it may suprise you, but I have wayy more self control than that. I would never do anything as stupid and irresponsible as that is, along with smoking and drinking alcohol.
And I dont think you read my thing properly if you say "OTHER satan serving fellow goths" implying I serve Satan? Like I said, I'm a Christian! I WORSHIP CHRIST!! So, as they say in England? "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

[nyan_cat_natz666]

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Dear God mocking, leg spreading harlot. How many over 40 years old Goth you know? Exactly... They already burn in hell or have repented.

YiC,
M

Actually I know quite a few, thanks and they're lovely, funny, caring people

[MisterM]

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My goodness, I can't believe how stereotypical you are! How dare you? I bet you have never met a goth in real life.

It is so funny when 16 years old tries to tell how things are to people who actually have some experience. Oh, I remember when I was 16, I thought that old people do not understand anything. They don't know how to live and have fun. Later I understood that it was like I trying to teach my dad how to make children.

Well, anyway. I know a few Goth. Quite retard people. They try to be individual by forming a common subculture.

20 years and you either shame what you are now or you lie on street having overdosed and raped by other satan serving fellow Goths.

YiC, Miikkael

[nyan_cat_natz666]

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I knew goths are scum of the earth, but in my opinion, this is just the new low even for those satanworshippers.

My goodness, I can't believe how stereotypical you are! How dare you? I bet you have never met a goth in real life. They very rarely meet anywhere near the goth stereotype. 99% of them are lovely people. Yes they may say crude things, they may say things that YOU might find offensive. But what you just said makes you more like the scum of the earth than all the goths put together. You make me sick, you people, you really do. I'm religious myself, I'm a Mormon. So I'm not bashing your religion. But it seems all Christians are the same - they cant see past their own church and cant see outside stereotypes.

[MisterM]

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Yours Sincerely,
Natalie, Age 16, lives in England.

Dear God mocking, leg spreading harlot. How many over 40 years old Goth you know? Exactly... They already burn in hell or have repented.

YiC,
M

[nyan_cat_natz666]

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Ok, I was so appauled by this forum that I actually made an account PURELY for the reason of posting this.
You people are so hooked on stereotypes!! My goodness i've never known anything like it. For a start, the photos you used. Betty Curse (the first one, because i doubt you had any idea who she was) may dress gothic, yes, but her music (yes, she's a singer! who knew?) is actually as far from demonic and "gothic" as you could imagine. In fact, there are many different modern pop groups today that are much more prevocative than her! Her music does have a rock sound to it, but so what? So does the Jonas Brothers, and I doubt God's going to damn them to hell. And.. Emma Watson? REALLY? OMG SHE WEARS BLACK, OMG SHE HAS BLACK MAKEUP, SHE'S THE DEVIL!!! Yeah, I'm totally sure her CHRISTIAN beliefs prove your point there completely.

Secondly: "Goth causes teenage girls to become whores, depresses kids to the point of cutting themselves..." Ok, first of all, 9 times out of 10, kids who have problems in their life, for example family, friends, traumas, or PRESSURING RELIGIONS ON PEOPLE BY FRIENDS AND FAMILY, including many other things, cause people to self harm. THIS, is what usually brings them TO the gothic culture. But it doesn't HAVE to! I know many people who self harm, but they're in no way related to the gothic culture. They don't have to be linked. And lastly, whores? Really? Ok, look on TV, look at some Jeremy Kyle shows or whatever you have in America. Look at the girls who are getting pregnant at 13, 14, 15 years old. Please, tell me, which ones of those look like goths to you. I bet hardly any of them. So, I have no idea WHERE you're getting your information from, and I'd love to know where. Probably another twisted forum like this, i bet.

Another thing: "Goth in itself is a mental illness, a sickness of the soul, mainly affecting teenagers in the same way as schizophrenia would, although to a greater extent." SERIOUSLY, you actually KNOW what schizophrenia is?? Schizophrenia is a mental disorder in which the sufferer gets hallucinations, delusions, muddled thoughts based upon these hallucinations, and severe changes in behavior. They sometimes have multiple personalities and even believe there is another person living inside them. This can be a very, very scary experience for the person. HOW THE FUCK, can you link that to being Goth? And how DARE you to say it is even at a GREATER EXTENT? Not only is that a misconstrued idea, but that's just absolutely out of order for you to even THINK of relating the two. That is really, truly heartless. Disgraceful.

And something else: "Rock music attacks the nervous system, affecting one's emotional state." EVERY TYPE OF MUSIC effects one's emotional state. For me, heavy metal makes me happy, classical makes me happy and relaxed, and Hannah Montana makes me hyper and girly. Paramore makes me want to sing along whereas Owl City makes me feel like I'm in a dream! I know for my mum though, metal music makes her depressed, 70s music makes her nostalgic, classical makes her annoyed and Norah Jones makes her wanna sing along. See, music effects people in different ways. That's why there are so many different types of music - people feel connected to completely different things to each other. So yes actually, you're right! It DOES effect their emotional state. And also, you say ROCK music. Did you know there are SO, SO MANY different types of Rock music? Why don't you try out a band called Skillet - an awesome rock band, and did you know they're also a Christian band, and that ALL their songs have Christian messages behind them?

Just lastly in this section, I really can't believe you're calling Sabrina the Teenage Witch "satanic" and "gothic". Now THAT really is pathetic. It's a KIDS SHOW. What, do you really believe some 6 year old is going to watch that program and decide "I want to be like her! She does so much awesome stuff!" and 5 minutes later start worshiping Satan? I don't think so. If you say something as innocent as that can change someone, ever thought that someone could read the Bible, read about Satan and his power and decide they would prefer to worship him? Hey, if you're saying Sabrina is evil? Then I guess anything is possible, isn't it!

But now, I just want to mention myself, and my friends. I have been called Goth SO many times. Which to be honest with you, on the whole, I guess it could be true, if you really, REALLY had to label me. But really? I'm just being myself. Yes, I do wear black as my main colour of clothing. I wear skulls, band t-shirts, and apparel relating to films such as Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas. I listen to heavy metal bands, death metal, black metal, progressive rock, and many others that are related, and bands such as Lamb of God, Bullet for my Valentine, Escape the Fate, and Deals Death. I love the idea of magic, wizards, and wicca, and also the celtic culture. I love zombies, games and movies, and I can't leave my room without black eyeliner, or at least eyeshadow, around my eyes. I'm also extremely interested in the paranormal (eg. ghosts and spirits), and watch shows like Most Haunted and Ghost Whisperer.

BUT WAIT, before you condemn me to hell? That's not the full story.

I'm also a happy, excitable 16 year old - I'm extremely creative, and imaginative. I'm friendly, and have many friends, even people who seem completely different to me. I'm known for my sense of humor and how I can giggle and laugh at anything and everything. I'm always smiling. Yes, I wear a lot of black, but I'm also known for my thigh-high rainbow striped socks, and my "panda hat" - a hat, that has a panda face on the top. I am trustworthy, and never, EVER break a promise. I will comfort anyone, whether I like them or not. I may be interested in magic, and wicca, but more in the "Charmed" and "Harry Potter" sense. I have never considered worshiping Satan, and I don't ever plan to. I also love the idea of celtic culture, but more because I LOVE folklore, fairies, elves, unicorns, dragons, and that sort of idea. I also love the Japan and Anime culture - I listen to Japanese rock and pop music, and love rainbows, bunnies, kitties, Pokémon, Hello Kitty, and generally anything cute and fluffy!! I'm also a huge fan of Winnie the Pooh, and infact anything Disney, including Jonas Brothers, Hannah Montana, Phineas and Ferb, Tinkerbell, and all things like that! I even love shows like Lazytown, and in fact, I'm listening to the soundtrack right now! I said I liked Metal bands, but ya know, I listen to pretty much EVERYTHING. This includes Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers, Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, S Club 7, Owl City, and SO many others. I also find peace in the classical piano likes of Ludivico Einaudi, and LOVE the soundtrack to the French film Amelié of Montmartre. I also do well at school, and am pretty much a straight-A student. I love Maths, and English, including Shakespeare.
AND LASTLY, GUESS WHAT? I'M CHRISTIAN! YEAH, THATS RIGHT. I believe in so many Christian teachings and beliefs. My family is actually part of the "Church of Jesus Christ if Latter-Day Saints" church (LDS/Mormon), and so am I! I believe very strongly in their teachings like: no alcohol, no drugs, no smoking, no sex before marriage, and so many others.

Also, my friends - I have the most amazing boyfriend for a start, who yes, has many interests which may be considered "goth", like the music, films, paranormal, and many other things, but that doesn't mean he's in any way evil. He's actually a catholic - and he has the same morals and values as I do, including no sex before marriage, and no alcohol or drugs or smoking. He is the sweetest, kindest, most considerate guy you have ever met. He is COMPLETELY different to other guys. He loves computers, and one day hopes to become a game coder. He is also amazing at game sprites (graphics) and "pixel art". And just like me, he's always smiling and laughing at things. He is truly amazing, and an incredibly strong soul. He is everything to me and I love him with all my heart.
I have many other friends who are JUST LIKE ME - just a mix of everything. I actually don't know ANYONE whatsoever so fits your stereotypical idea of "goth".
All I'm saying is that, Christ taught us to treat everyone with respect, to "treat others as we would want to be treated", and to accept people for who they are. There is nowhere where it says He wants us to discriminate against other groups of people, especially without having a proper knowledge in the first place. I can understand how religions must hate Goths - but they only seem to see the stereotype. A stereotype is an idea, and actually hardly ANYONE is like that. Yes, you WILL get the fair few satanic goths, but it's in no way fair that you say everyone who wears black is ultimately satanic.
I AM UNIQUE. I AM MYSELF. I am religious, and I have different interests to other people. Is that really SUCH a problem? If everyone in life was the same, life would be so boring. We could never find love, or true friends, because everyone would be the same - there would be no enemies, no friends, no hate, no love. WE NEED difference in society.
And lastly, I don't see how it's actually your right to condemn a group of people simply because you're religious? SO WHAT if you don't believe in the same stuff? That doesn't mean their bad people. I don't think you're a bad people simply because you hate goths - I just think you're ever so prejudice about the subject. And THAT'S what I don't like. That's why I'm here today. You need to stop stereotyping, and open your eyes to the real world. The real world is full of PEOPLE. Just like you. People you like their own thing, believe their own thing, and just because someone looks "goth" (aka: different) doesn't mean they're evil, doesn't mean they worship Satan.

I'm going to leave you with a website: http://www.christiangoth.com/ This is basically a site all about Christian Goths. "Serving the Christian Gothic Community with the gospel of Jesus Christ".

You just need to get your facts right before you judge others. And, surely, by judging people so unfairly, you're sinning yourself?

Yours Sincerely,
Natalie, Age 16, lives in England.

(PS: I'm sorry, but you seriously use these smilies? >> My goodness, these are sick. I thought, as a Christian community, you're supposed to respect Christ, and other religions? But my goodness, turning them into tasteless smilies? That's so wrong. Now, THIS, has to be one of the biggest sins of all. It's really disgraceful. I don't know how you can judge people and tell them they're corrupt when you use smilies like these.)

[Alphonse Alban]

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The other day, when I was outside with my youngest, we came across some heathen kids. Those heathens were singing some seemingly harmless sounding kids song. But when they got closer I really heard the words, to my horror, of that song they were singing. I immediately slapped my child unconscious and carried her away, so that she would not be exposed to that filth any second longer.

Needless to say I was very shocked about this, but decided still to do some research about the matter. That song was just that revolting, even for heathens to sing. After some time and help from my nephew, I was able to trace down the source of this smut. Yes, you guessed right, it was the goths.

The goths had deviced new weapon against the children. A morning children's program! In this diabolical program some sort of gothic demon is encouraging children in fornication, bestiality (with spiders!), sex toys and masturbation. Of course my children are never allowed to watch TV, but I can see how this is very dangerous to child of unaware parents.

This following footage is censored, I just could not bare to link original here in it's full vulgarity, still you must remove the young ones and women out of the room before you can watch this. It is just that despicable. And yes, the censored word is the "f word" for reproduction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM

I knew goths are scum of the earth, but in my opinion, this is just the new low even for those satanworshippers.

[The Saint]

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Yeah right. And I am 6 foot 6 and devastatingly handsome. We all like to dream.

Alright. Deny that your cute little stereotypes are wrong.
I (like many other goths) get straight A's and my bite can back up my bark.
And I've gotten quite the positive comments and recognitions. (In real life, might I add. The computer is just a bonus.)
I worship God, Jesus, and Mary and always will.
But if you choose to not believe in easy truth, that's your problem.

This forum... Just... Wow.
It honestly astounds me that there is a collective group of such low understanding. But then again we are in America, aren't we...? ;D

GodHatesGoths.com is a joke, did you know. It's making fun of people who know nothing about the subculture and stereotype its "evil". (I can only wonder who that is... Hmm...)
Funny, huh? I sure thought it was.

[Bible Student]

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So you deny that whores exist outside the culture, along with homo-sexuality and bi-sexuality? Because that is called life, friend.
Goth doesn't have a set religion. How else do you explain several different religions in one subculture? -.-
And men in makeup looking good is a personal preference.
You are denying truth. Completely denying it.

My friend and I are goth, and we are two of the most loved people in the community, and unlike the "preppy" people, we don't have piercings in our face to look "tough". No, we have actual strength and athleticism(sp?) to do that. We also have high grades and achievements, and people respect us.

Yeah right. And I am 6 foot 6 and devastatingly handsome. We all like to dream.

We are also much better off for the future, as psycology(sp?) shows that the "gothic" youths are more intelligent than regular youth. We don't cake our faces in fake tan, rather we leave it natural and pale, lots of sunblock in the summer... Think of it this way, we won't look like saddlebags with eyes later in life.
If anything is untrue, it is the start of the thread itself. You shouldn't believe everything the media tells you.

That set aside, please try to actually interact with these people yourself without the ignorance and judgement, and you will see that they are no different than you.
Maybe they're a bit less ignorant and more tolerant and loving, but that's probably the only difference besides their appearance.

Focus on the real problems, like mothers setting their children up to be whores in beauty pagents with revealing dress and overdone hair and makeup. Repulsive.

[The Saint]

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Confused?? I thought ALL Goths were Satanists? I guess you must be REALLY retarded. You don't even know what Goth is, and you ARE one!!!

Then you thought WRONG.
Simple as that. ;D
You say I don't know what gothic is when you have even less of an idea. LOL. Try actually interacting with these people without throwing something at them, and maybe you'll get a more happy, positive response. I mean, constant judgement and abuse couldn't POSSIBLY be why they don't act very well towards ignorant people.

[Scott_Godlove]

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Goth doesn't have a set religion. How else do you explain several different religions in one subculture?

Confused?? I thought ALL Goths were Satanists? I guess you must be REALLY retarded. You don't even know what Goth is, and you ARE one!!!

[James Dewitt]

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=The Saint;687927]

So you deny that whores exist outside the culture, along with homo-sexuality and bi-sexuality? Because that is called life, friend.

We don't have whores or Homosexurals in Freehold. We keep offering a better way to outsiders. I guess they like the aspect of HELL

tl;dr

Focus on the real problems, like mothers setting their children up to be whores in beauty pagents with revealing dress and overdone hair and makeup. Repulsive

It is quite repulsive. Most of those people are Catliks and God Mockers.

[The Saint]

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None of what you said here is true.

Go back and read this thread from the beginning.

So you deny that whores exist outside the culture, along with homo-sexuality and bi-sexuality? Because that is called life, friend.
Goth doesn't have a set religion. How else do you explain several different religions in one subculture? -.-
And men in makeup looking good is a personal preference.
You are denying truth. Completely denying it.

My friend and I are goth, and we are two of the most loved people in the community, and unlike the "preppy" people, we don't have piercings in our face to look "tough". No, we have actual strength and athleticism(sp?) to do that. We also have high grades and achievements, and people respect us. We are also much better off for the future, as psycology(sp?) shows that the "gothic" youths are more intelligent than regular youth. We don't cake our faces in fake tan, rather we leave it natural and pale, lots of sunblock in the summer... Think of it this way, we won't look like saddlebags with eyes later in life.
If anything is untrue, it is the start of the thread itself. You shouldn't believe everything the media tells you.

That set aside, please try to actually interact with these people yourself without the ignorance and judgement, and you will see that they are no different than you.
Maybe they're a bit less ignorant and more tolerant and loving, but that's probably the only difference besides their appearance.

Focus on the real problems, like mothers setting their children up to be whores in beauty pagents with revealing dress and overdone hair and makeup. Repulsive.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Men in makeup is pretty good looking... (On good looking men, that is.)
That set aside, here's my point.
-drum roll-

GOTH HAS NO SET RELIGION.

That's right, you could be Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Shinto, Muslim, Buddhist, Hinduist, Athiest, Wicca, Satanic, anything, and still be goth.

And you can make victorian gothic. All you need is a bit of black. Actually, not even. Just the makeup and attitude of the wearer.

Bi-sexuality is a part of every society, so is homo-sexuality. Vampires exist outside gothic, lemme tell ya. (Twilight, lol)
Scanty clothing is bad on goths because it's black, but not on everyday whores and prostitutes in bright painful pink? That's part of everyday society too.
Depends, is that movie full of the gothic aesthetic of romance, love, and passion?

None of what you said here is true.

Go back and read this thread from the beginning.