[Wrong Again Floyd]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

What on earth makes you think that God is after peace?!

Have you READ the Bible, boy?

11th commandment. Love the Lord your god with all your heart, soul, mind, strength And love all mankind as you would love yourself.

Have you read it?

So you learned all about the Bible from a church that you admit turned hundreds from God?

Do tell. What church was this?

Baptist\Bretheren. Very similar to yours. It taught hatred of Islam and Homosexuals and was very close-minded.

In regards to not listening to music because it may test your faith: How then can you claim you are faithful? If it's not music that turns you away: It could very well be something that WOULD need a lot of faith to survive. Maybe a friend dies suddenly or something else terrible (God forbid) but hey: That's life and that's what happens. If you dont test your faith beforehand: You'll crumble at the first outbreak of peril

[OnYourKnees]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

11th commandment. Love the Lord your god with all your heart, soul, mind, strength And love all mankind as you would love yourself.

Have you read it?

Chapter and verse, please.

Baptist\Bretheren. Very similar to yours. It taught hatred of Islam and Homosexuals and was very close-minded.

But apparently it didn't teach Bible-reading, so it couldn't be at all similar to ours. When were you planning to start?

Reading the Bible, that is.

[Wrong Again Floyd]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Matthew 22:37-40. Kindly quote it here, I dont have a copy on me.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Matthew 22:37-40. Kindly quote it here, I dont have a copy on me.

I'll be glad to. Not sure how you can come up with the chapter and verse, without a Bible, but . . .

Matthew 22:37-40
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Now, where is this "11th Commandment" of yours? Or the commandment to love "all mankind"?

Instead, Jesus said that the first of the two is the great commandment, not the 11th commandment. Loving THY NEIGHBOUR, not ALL MANKIND, is second. AND, upon these hang ALL the Law. That means that all the Law, and all the words of the prophets, are still enforced. These first two commandments SUPPORT all of the Law, they do not invalidate it.

I'm sorry that your Pastor Feelgood confused you with his "interpreting", but it doesn't say what you want it to say. It says what it says.

[Wrong Again Floyd]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Did you even read what you wrote?

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

You said you took every word of the Bible literally. Or is Neighbour a metaphor for something?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Now, who is thy neighbour?

Well, have a look at your Bible!

The word is used quite frequently. In nearly all cases, it's clearly a reference to someone involved in one's life. Here are but a handful of examples, but I suggest you go through and check ALL of the other instances for yourself to confirm my testimony:

Deuteronomy 4:42
That the slayer might flee thither, which should kill his neighbour unawares, and hated him not in times past; and that fleeing unto one of these cities he might live:

Deuteronomy 5:20
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Joshua 9:16
And it came to pass at the end of three days after they had made a league with them, that they heard that they were their neighbours, and that they dwelt among them.

Ruth 4:7
Now this was the manner in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbour: and this was a testimony in Israel.

2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

1 Kings 20:35
And a certain man of the sons of the prophets said unto his neighbour in the word of the LORD, Smite me, I pray thee. And the man refused to smite him.

Psalm 79:4
We are become a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and derision to them that are round about us.

Proverbs 27:10
Thine own friend, and thy father's friend, forsake not; neither go into thy brother's house in the day of thy calamity: for better is a neighbour that is near than a brother far off.

Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness! <-- God gets mad if you get your neighbor drunk and then look in his drawers. Do we know anyone who would do such a thing?

Zechariah 8:16
These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates:


In fact, in the whole of the Old and New Testaments, neighbour is used almost exclusively in the same sense as we do today, to mean someone next door, or nearby, or the people in the adjacent land. The only exceptions:


Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Here, the "neighbour" is any of the children of your people. NOT other peoples. YOUR people.

Finally, Jesus does at one point give an alternative definition of neighbour when asked:


Luke 10:27-37

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

He that showed mercy to the mugged man. That's who the mugged man's neighbor was. Not the ones who passed by, not the thieves. ONLY the one who showed mercy and helped.

Now, you will be quick to say, Jesus is also saying that we should BE neighbor to those in need. Agreed! But once again, He tells us to be neighbor to those in need of our help, who are unable to help themselves. Not all mankind, not those who try to harm us, not those who hate God.

[Wrong Again Floyd]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

So what you're saying is that Neighbour is a metaphor for anybody we know?

In other words: It is not literal. Thus: You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.

However you're quite right. God says your neighbour is anybody involved in your life. If you loved everybody involved in your life: You would not hurt them. If they loved everybody in their life, be them black, gay, straight, bi, tall, short, asian, skinny, smart, dumb, smelly, or insanely attractive: Then nobody would end up hurting anybody would they?

Unless you're a wife-beater.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

So what you're saying is that Neighbour is a metaphor for anybody we know?

In other words: It is not literal. Thus: You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.

However you're quite right. God says your neighbour is anybody involved in your life. If you loved everybody involved in your life: You would not hurt them. If they loved everybody in their life, be them black, gay, straight, bi, tall, short, asian, skinny, smart, dumb, smelly, or insanely attractive: Then nobody would end up hurting anybody would they?

Unless you're a wife-beater.

I said nothing about metaphors. I just illustrated for you how neighbour is defined in the Bible. It CLEARLY does not mean "all mankind". In fact, it fairly explicitly rules out people of other peoples, and those not near to us.

Did you not read what I wrote? Or did you, like Pastor Feelgood, look for what you wanted to see and skip the rest?

Also, Jesus' Great Commandment and His second commandment are, by His own words, the supports for the rest of the law. The Law tells us to stone homosexuals and bisexuals. And to hate and kill those who do not follow God.

You really need to read your Bible, boy. We can't put it all into your head for you, Piecemeal.

Stop imagining what it MIGHT say, if it was what you WANTED it to say. READ IT and FIND OUT what it says.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

I must say Floyd, that while you appear to have studied your subject, you have a great deal to learn.

The roots of the "Metal" music, of which you so fondly refer, go back to the late 1960's with the introduction of the "Fuzz Box" and what was then referred to as "Acid Rock" or "Psychedelic Rock". The Fuzz Box clipped the complex electrical sine wave from the guitar thus producing a representational square wave of the input (often referred to as "distortion") rich in odd order partials. The cross-modulation of these partials can produce what is known as "dissonance". Should you wish to further explore odd order partials you might want to study the compositional use of the clarinet (often referred to as the "Liquorice Stick" - with obvious homersexual connotations), as it is the only classical instrument employing a closed tube cylindrical resonator producing only odd order partials.

Acid Rock was composed, and was meant to be experienced, under the influence of Satan's Eucharist, LSD. There is no other way to "get" the message of this music. Before you get any ideas here, let me assure you that the original formula for the LSD from that period has been destroyed and is forever lost (and Dr. Timothy Leary is now dead). This was due to the efforts of President Richard M. Nixon, who started the first "War on Drugs". In the days before I became a True Christian, I experience this historical music in its intended venue. What ever "Metal" music that has been composed since that time is not only pretentious, but is categorically worthless and totally without merit.

Should you wish to explore the kind of music Christians like, you will find a thread on the subject on these forums.

As far as Rock music in general, you have to look no further than its seemingly endless use of 1-4-5 chord progressions along with simplistic melodic development to come to the conclusion that it is simply boring.

So now you might ask why Rock music continues to be so popular. You have to look no further than your initial post. Those loud driving rhythms are meant to obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement. You can observe the hormone driven dancing with the obvious pelvic thrusting movements that accompany it. How about that little twinkle in the loins. It's off with the knickers, isn't it? It is all about fornication.

Now what do you think Jesus would have to say about that?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.

So what don't you take literally? That God created this world? That Jesus was His only begotten Son? That Jesus temporarily died on the cross for our sins? Maybe God and Jesus themselves are only fables?
God doesn't play games. He didn't write the Bible thinking, "This part is true, but this part is a metaphor. I will let my foolish creations try to sort out which is which!" To write down His Holy Word and then leave it up to interpretation when our souls are on the line would be downright cruel, and He is only justly and righteously cruel to those who doubt His plain-spoken and literal Word.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

However you're quite right. God says your neighbour is anybody involved in your life. If you loved everybody involved in your life: You would not hurt them. If they loved everybody in their life, be them black, gay, straight, bi, tall, short, asian, skinny, smart, dumb, smelly, or insanely attractive: Then nobody would end up hurting anybody would they?

Wrong.
Nobody said that our neighbour is "anybody involved in our life"..
You're only seeing what you WANT to see, not what anyone actually WRITES.

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Leviticus 19:17

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men,
Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:4

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication,
And going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:7

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:
They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

In other words: It is not literal. Thus: You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.

Really? Then what could these verses mean?

Proverbs 30:5: Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Matthew 4:4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 4:4: And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Note the emphasis on "every word," not "every interpreted meaning" or "every allegory."

Anyway, if we're not supposed to take every word of the Bible literally, explain how you know which parts to take literally and which not to take literally. Obviously, the entire Bible can't be an allegory, a metaphor, or whatever you hippy-dippy liberals say it is this week, as there are things in the Bible that even the Christ-hating atheists acknowledge to be true. So where do you draw the bright line?

[Poetic Peter]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

<snipped>...So now you might ask why Rock music continues to be so popular. You have to look no further than your initial post. Those loud driving rhythms are meant to obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement. You can observe the hormone driven dancing with the obvious pelvic thrusting movements that accompany it. How about that little twinkle in the loins. It's off with the knickers, isn't it? It is all about fornication...

Yessirree!

Floydola, what would Jesus say about typical rock band namings?
excerpted from
http://www.was1.net/Lists/Band-Names.htm


Abattoir, Inc.
Above the Death Zone
Acid Di*do
Adamantium Enema
Adolescent Sex Appeal
The Adultery Car
Aerosol Cheese
Agony Head
The Albino Turds
Alien Cattle Mutilation
Alien Choo-Choo
American-Bred Bitches
Angry An*s
Anubis Butt
The Anthropomorphic Dild*s
Apocalypse.Com,
Apocalyptic Chickens
The Aristocracy of Cows
Armageddon’s Shadow
Arterial Spurts
Artistic God, the Aspiring Dominatrix

The Ass-Biting Ferrets
Ass Cake Vapors
Atomic Candy Canes
Automatic Decimation
Award-Winning Choo-Choos
Baby Jesus' Butt Plugs

Ball Joints
Balloon Dild*s
Barbeque Perversions
Barium Enema....
!


Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

What exactly is wrong with you
pink Floyd!

[Wrong Again Floyd]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Such ignorance!

Firstly: William

Heavy Metal has nothing to do with Fuzz Boxes. No Metal band around would use a Fuzz Box. Heavy Metal uses Overdrive or Distortion. Overdrive works by having a signal stronger than the Amp's tubes\electronics can handle and thus it compresses the sound giving it the louder sound. Distortion is basically the same thing but depending on the setting: It can boost the signal a bit more or change the tone a little.

Now what exactly is wrong with that? It is just another sound. As I said: Unless you're going to get converted to Satan by walking past a Jackhammer or a car driving past, there is nothing wrong with it.

Neither is Acid Rock Popular. The only people who listen to it are those who are already using LSD. They dont listen to AR and then get into LSD: It's the other way around. Neither does AR have anything to do with Heavy Metal. Sure: It's loud and noisy, but that's not all Heavy Metal is. Heavy Metal is normally in a minor key, has riffs that are as percussive as they are melodic and the music is a lot more aggressive in general. I'd like to point out that a certain Metallica song has SAVED people from committing suicide. Heavy Metal is all image, it's all an act. It's no more real than Pro-Wrestling.

However: Dont go into Metal. Let's just deal with rock for now mkay? Two entirely different genres.

Secondly you said:

Those loud driving rhythms are meant to obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement.

How so? What exactly makes these loud driving Rythyms obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement? How could you criticise Rock music for doing that when your own church worship songs create a similar effect to those in your churches. Holy Ghost? Nope. Sorry. If I tool a song like "Shout To The Lord" and got people to sing it acapella with a swelling orchestra behind it that slowly got louder and louder: It'd have a very similar effect. No lyrics involved at all.

SalvationSeeker: Since you claimed that God does not love the world which is a direct contradiction of John 3:16: You have absolutely no credibility. Your understanding of the Bible is comparable to that of somebody who has actually never read it. You further proved this when you quoted this line:

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

In your own quote it says that you should not hate your brother or wish any sin upon your Neighbour. In other words: Wish no harm upon your neighbour. In other words; You were spectacularly wrong.

Mollychu: Fantasy Rock is a genre. The lyrics are about Medieval fantasy and stuff. Those bands might exist.

However: That's a niche genre. There's niche christian cults like Jonestown as well. I dont see you secluding yourselves from Christianity. There's bad eggs in everything.

Also: I dont see anybody defending or yelling at Christian Rock which I mentioned in the previous page.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music?

Friend, why can't you face the simple fact: EVERYTHING is wrong with rock music.

Does that look like the sort of album a decent, God-fearing person should be listening to? This is what passes for normal, even "hip" and "groovy" among today's rock-dazzled youth!