What is wrong with Socialism?

[evil dude]

I see alot of people on this fourm bashing obama for lead american into socialism. From what i read most of you see socialism as some "evil" i simply ask.......why? why do you see it this way

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

Ever heard of a place called "Europe"? It's the birthplace and stronghold of socialism, or as they call it, "social democracy". Now look at what socialism has done to Europe: unshaved women, fruity teenagers who are entranced by techno "music", nude beaches, haggis and snails and frogs legs, ABBA....

Is that what you envision for America? Sweden with a summer?

[evil dude]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

Ever heard of a place called "Europe"? It's the birthplace and stronghold of socialism, or as they call it, "social democracy". Now look at what socialism has done to Europe: unshaved women, fruity teenagers who are entranced by techno "music", nude beaches, haggis and snails and frogs legs, ABBA....

Is that what you envision for America? Sweden with a summer?

Canada has basicly a socialist goverment and we are nothing like the people from Europe. Also america has techno music, gay teenagers ,nude beaches and all that so that can not be linked to socialism.

[Nobar King]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

I sense another America hater who wants everyone else to work so that he doesn't have to.

[evil dude]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

I sense another America hater who wants everyone else to work so that he doesn't have to.

I have a job so no idea where that came from. Anyway i don't hate america and i'm just wondering what negitive points you see in socialism?

[Eugene Hackwith]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

Socialism goes against the Puritan work ethic that has made the USA into the great nation that it is today. Americans live and die by their own work, not by the work of someone else. If a man wants to be rich, then he will have to work his rear end off to achieve his goals. If we are just working to support our fellow countrymen and women, then what point is there to work hard? Why be innovative and work vigorously so that some heathen down the street can live comfortably?

[evil dude]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

Socialism goes against the Puritan work ethic that has made the USA into the great nation that it is today. Americans live and die by their own work, not by the work of someone else. If a man wants to be rich, then he will have to work his rear end off to achieve his goals. If we are just working to support our fellow countrymen and women, then what point is there to work hard? Why be innovative and work vigorously so that some heathen down the street can live comfortably?

Ya but socialism does not take away that "hard work get rich" method u talk about. Really you are a pro-captiolist (which is understandable) but put you selfs in the shoes of the people who own 10,000 dollars because they came down with cancer our can't work because of sickness? Should you not help out your common man?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

We've already discussed this. Socialism defeats the whole purpose of economics, and anyway Jesus was a wealthy capitalist.

[evil dude]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

We've already discussed this. Socialism defeats the whole purpose of economics, and anyway Jesus was a wealthy capitalist.

What is economics?

Economics is about creating wealth.
I ended right there cause..........really? that is Economics to you? That is so wrong. Me losing money could be Economics

[LissyLovesHerself]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

We've already discussed this. Socialism defeats the whole purpose of economics, and anyway Jesus was a wealthy capitalist.

You look so much like my science teacher, Mr. Angel!
You don't happen to work at Lake Central High School, do you?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

Me losing money could be Economics

It's certainly a likely economic outcome, seeing as your attention-deficit disorder is so bad.

[JennyD]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

Canada has basicly a socialist goverment and we are nothing like the people from Europe. Also america has techno music, gay teenagers ,nude beaches and all that so that can not be linked to socialism.

Canada does NOT have a socialist government.

Do you even know what socialism is, WiG?

The definition of socialism, then, may be said to be a formal economic system in which society exerts considerable control over the nation's wealth and property in the pursuit of social justice. "Considerable control" may or may not entail public ownership, while "social justice" usually depends upon the whims of a bureaucratic elite. Generally speaking, a market-based economy is antithetical to socialist principles, and some form of benevolent planning is advocated.

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Although socialism is often defined by socialists as "real democracy," it is in fact mobocracy, or the tyranny of the many over the few. To see why, let us consider an example.

Imagine that you are factory owner manufacturing cars. Under communism, your factory would be confiscated by the dictatorship of the proletariat and its production managed by a centralized bureaucracy. The difference between a communist and a socialist, however, is that the socialist does everything in half-measures. Under socialism, you may well be allowed to keep your factory on the conditions that you do not earn an "excessive" profit and that you provide well-paying, spiritually-fulfilling jobs to your employees, allowing each of them a vote in all of your decisions.

The United States and Canada have both been stepping toward socialism for decades, but haven't yet gotten there. Obama's goal is to push us solidly into a socialist economy, in which the government has partial or complete ownership of corporations.

This is already underway as the government assumes ownership stakes in banks and auto manufacturers, eliminating (that is, confiscating) the ownership rights of shareholders in the process.

That's right, the federal government is taking away --stealing -- the investments of individuals. It's not buying their shares, it's taking them.

Is that "right"?

[evil dude]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

Canada does NOT have a socialist government.

I am sorry but you have mistaken what i said, I said basicly meaning i am saying we are closer to socialism then captiolism

[evil dude]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

It's certainly a likely economic outcome, seeing as your attention-deficit disorder is so bad.

I do not mean to insult you but what economic background do you have? It seems you have a very bad idea of how economics works

[JennyD]

Re: What is wrong with Socialism?

I am sorry but you have mistaken what i said, I said basicly meaning i am saying we are closer to socialism then captiolism

Did you bother to read what I wrote?

I said that both the US and Canada have been marching toward socialism for decades.

However, socialism itself is not tightly defined, other than "between capitalism and communism".

"Basically socialist" means "in essence, socialist".

"The house is basically red" does not mean that the house is purple. It means that for all intents and purposes, the house is red . . . or that nearly all of the house is red.

Are all you Canucks so imprecise in your language, or are you just particularly stupid?