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  • Rachael Van Helsing
    HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
    • Sep 2006
    • 5131

    #1

    Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

    From this link:

    'Antichrist' followers show loyalty with '666' tattoos

    ALEXANDRA ALTER
    Miami Herald

    Surrounded by a mob of news cameras, a group of smiling, well-dressed church members crowded into a South Beach storefront parlor on a recent muggy evening and got matching tattoos of their prophet's symbol: 666.

    Members of Growing in Grace, a controversial religious sect headquartered in Doral, said they were following the example of their leader, Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda, who has claimed to be Jesus and recently declared himself the Antichrist.

    Critics have called De Jesus a cult leader who manipulates followers. Church members say he has brought them happiness and spiritual fulfillment.

    "This is backing up what I truly believe," said Alvaro Albarracin, 38, who heads a film production company and joined the church more than a decade ago. He showed a bandage that covered the freshly tattooed "666" on his forearm. "It's like a brand. It's like a sign."

    It's a sign most Christians would shun, because for centuries the numbers have been associated with Satan. But for the 30 or so church members who branded themselves with 666 and SSS - the initials of De Jesus' motto, "salvo siempre salvo," or "saved always saved" - it's a mark of their absolute faith in De Jesus.

    Church members say the symbol doesn't connect them to Satan but rather to De Jesus' claim that he has replaced Christ's teachings with a new gospel.

    Scholars and critics of the movement say the tattoos offer frightening evidence of the influence De Jesus commands over his followers.

    "What is he going to do next to call attention to himself?" asked Daniel Alvarez, an instructor in the department of religious studies at Florida International University who has studied the movement. "This means that his control over people is so great that no matter what he says to them, they'll follow him."

    De Jesus was traveling in Puerto Rico this week and was not available to comment, said a church spokeswoman.

    Tattooing session

    At the tattoo parlor, one woman wore a T-shirt with De Jesus' picture and the phrase "The Lord Arrived" in Spanish. Others wore shirts and baseball caps marked with 666. Spanish rap music blared from a stereo in the back. News cameras circled the tattoo chair as artist Jessica Segatto, wearing pink rubber gloves and a huge silver cross, carefully inked 666 on church members' ankles, forearms, backs and one member's neck. Some members said they decided to attend Tuesday night's tattooing session - which was prompted by a church announcement the previous week - to prove their commitment to De Jesus' vision. Others said they hoped the symbol would provoke questions about the movement.
    Now here is something interesting. These people claim to be xtians and yet they have claimed that the true symbol of devotion is 666, the number which you all claim to be the number of evil!

    Not only that, but their leader claims to be 'the second coming of jesus' and yet the 'antichrist' at the same time???
    What would be going on in the head of such a person?

    I think it fair to say they've replaced you on the list of 'nuttiest xtians ever'!
    Last edited by Rachael Van Helsing; 02-28-2007, 12:28 AM.
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  • OnYourKnees
    On Extended Furlough
    True Christian™
    • Nov 2006
    • 4729

    #2
    Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

    Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
    I think it fair to say they've replaced you on the list of 'nuttiest xtians ever'!
    Everybody is nuttier than we, as we are among the few who are truly sane and see the world through fully-opened eyes.

    Were you to read what's before you, instead of your own "interpretations", you could see as we do.

    Would you like to take this opportunity to stop hating Jesus?

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    • Rachael Van Helsing
      HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
      • Sep 2006
      • 5131

      #3
      Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

      If you mean convert, NO.

      But, do you have any thoughts onto the ideas of their 666 symbolism? And how it is that this person could think himself 'christ' and 'the antichrist' at the same time?
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      • Pastor Ezekiel
        Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
         
        • Sep 2006
        • 78556

        #4
        Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

        They're just a pack of greasy spics VanHollowhead. How you could confuse an obvious satanic cult with True Christianity™ is beyond me. Your foolishness knows no bounds.
        Who Will Jesus Damn?

        Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

        Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

        Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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        • WickedWitch
          Unsaved Canuck Who Longs to be Saved©
          CAUTION: Poster is Bi-Lingually curious
          • Jan 2007
          • 1366

          #5
          Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

          Holy crap, Rachael, those guys are frigging nuts!
          Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
          They're just a pack of greasy spics VanHollowhead. How you could confuse an obvious satanic cult with True Christianity™ is beyond me. Your foolishness knows no bounds.
          And your panties are forever in a twist. Grow a sense of humour.
          This space is reserved for posting KJV Scripture ONLY. --ADMIN

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          • Rachael Van Helsing
            HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
            • Sep 2006
            • 5131

            #6
            Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

            Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
            They're just a pack of greasy spics VanHollowhead. How you could confuse an obvious satanic cult with True Christianity™ is beyond me. Your foolishness knows no bounds.
            Well, Zeke, if you read the article it clearly states those people are not Satanists:

            Church members say the symbol doesn't connect them to Satan but rather to De Jesus' claim that he has replaced Christ's teachings with a new gospel.
            And they explain their reasonings behind 666 here:

            It's a sign most Christians would shun, because for centuries the numbers have been associated with Satan. But for the 30 or so church members who branded themselves with 666 and SSS - the initials of De Jesus' motto, "salvo siempre salvo," or "saved always saved" - it's a mark of their absolute faith in De Jesus.

            So there you see, they're clearly not Satanists. What makes you think that their branch of xtianity is any more 'wrong' than yours? (Although personally I'm not all that fond of xtianity in general, as in general the teachings are in themselves pretty damn wrong).

            Originally posted by Undecided
            Holy crap, Rachael, those guys are frigging nuts!

            Yeah, that's what I thought!

            Originally posted by Undecided
            And your panties are forever in a twist. Grow a sense of humour.






            Last edited by Rachael Van Helsing; 02-28-2007, 01:16 AM.
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            • lilith
              Night Hag
              • Sep 2006
              • 1232

              #7
              Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

              "It's like a brand,it's like a sign"......!!

              Could that possibly be on account of that's precisely WHAT IT IS??!!!

              Rachael,are we sure this isn't a hoax of some kind?
              I'm not sure there are any nuttier xtians than the Landover variety....hey,maybe this guy's an offshoot of landoverbaptist!
              In order to be old & wise,you must first be young & stupid.

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              • Glendora Christianson
                Spiritual Mother of LBC
                True Christian™
                • Sep 2006
                • 2329

                #8
                Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

                I just wanted to mention (before things get out of control) that Rachael's ramblings are a good sign that she is undergoing the spiritual transformation I have been mentioning for years . . . the True Christian experience is infallible and unavoidable, even for Lilith, who has subliminally accepted our salvation and just doesn't know it. VERY ENTHUSIASTIC MOTHER GLYNNDIE
                Jesus - gentle, dependable overnight relief.

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                • SalvationSeeker
                  True Christian™ Theologian
                  Forum Member
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 3892

                  #9
                  Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

                  Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                  So there you see, they're clearly not Satanists. What makes you think that their branch of xtianity is any more 'wrong' than yours?
                  The Holy Bible, you moron!

                  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,
                  If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
                  The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;
                  And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
                  Revelation 14:9-10

                  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
                  And they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
                  Revelation 14:11


                  If this man claims to be an antichrist, then he denies Jesus, he has not faith at all.
                  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
                  He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
                  1 John 2:22
                  If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
                  A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
                  Proverbs 9:12-13

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                  • Pastor Ezekiel
                    Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                     
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 78556

                    #10
                    Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

                    Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                    Well, Zeke, if you read the article it clearly states those people are not Satanists:
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                    OH! The ARTICLE said they aren't satan worshipers!? Well that changes everything, right?

                    Since you are a heathen witch who spins lies the way True Christians™ change their socks, why should we believe anything YOU say?

                    The Lord says to judge, and that we do.

                    John 7:24
                    Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
                    Who Will Jesus Damn?

                    Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                    Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                    Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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                    • OnYourKnees
                      On Extended Furlough
                      True Christian™
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 4729

                      #11
                      Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

                      Originally posted by lilith View Post
                      "It's like a brand,it's like a sign"......!!

                      Could that possibly be on account of that's precisely WHAT IT IS??!!!
                      See, Lilith recognizes the mark of the beast!

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                      • SalvationSeeker
                        True Christian™ Theologian
                        Forum Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 3892

                        #12
                        Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

                        Originally posted by OnYourKnees View Post
                        See, Lilith recognizes the mark of the beast!
                        Well, her parents probably branded her with it at birth, so she knows int intimately by now..

                        After all, the wicked go astray AS SOON AS THEY ARE BORN, as the Holy KJV1611 teaches.
                        So they probably saw fit to stamp her as the property of satan as soon as she popped out.
                        If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
                        A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
                        Proverbs 9:12-13

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                        • Rachael Van Helsing
                          HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 5131

                          #13
                          Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

                          Originally posted by SS
                          The Holy Bible, you moron!

                          And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,
                          If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
                          The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;
                          And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
                          Revelation 14:9-10

                          And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
                          And they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
                          Revelation 14:11


                          If this man claims to be an antichrist, then he denies Jesus, he has not faith at all.
                          Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
                          He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
                          1 John 2:22
                          Listen Sall....er..SS, your book has been edited so many times that you can't be fully certain of what might have been there originally, can you? The very original wouldn't even have been in english!

                          Originally posted by Zeke
                          OH! The ARTICLE said they aren't satan worshipers!? Well that changes everything, right?
                          As opposed to you reading a book and thinking 'oh because this book says so it MUST be true!' ?

                          Since you are a heathen witch who spins lies the way True Christians™ change their socks, why should we believe anything YOU say?
                          I didn't write the article. Check out the link. I merely posted the link. If you want to go to that site and post feedback that you think they're liars, go ahead.
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                          • Hairy Homer
                            Unsaved Trash, filthy sodomite
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 159

                            #14
                            Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

                            Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                            From this link:


                            Now here is something interesting. These people claim to be xtians and yet they have claimed that the true symbol of devotion is 666, the number which you all claim to be the number of evil!

                            Not only that, but their leader claims to be 'the second coming of jesus' and yet the 'antichrist' at the same time???
                            What would be going on in the head of such a person?

                            I think it fair to say they've replaced you on the list of 'nuttiest xtians ever'!
                            On the face of it Rachael yes these people seem even nuttier than Landover Baptists or conventional xians, but I wonder. We are used to conventional xiianity so it seems more sensible than it is. Think about it -- a loving God sacrifices his son temporarily to save us all from the way that he made us in the first place, but is still going to send the vast majority of us all to eternal torture because we don't believe something that's totally implausible.

                            Remember the bible is such a mish-mash of contradictions and nebulous codswallop that you can make just about anything out of it. I concede that the Anti-christ being on the side of christ does seem to be stretching matters a bit. But was he ever called the anti-christ in the bible itself?

                            BTW have you seen Lady Sorrow? She seems to be the only person around here who appreciates me and I was going to do some bible study with her:


                            Relax, Kick your shoes off. Praise Jesus!!! (Blacks and Homosexuals strictly prohibited!)

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                            • Pastor Ezekiel
                              Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                               
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 78556

                              #15
                              Re: Have I finally found xtians even nuttier than you?

                              Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post

                              As opposed to you reading a book and thinking 'oh because this book says so it MUST be true!' ?
                              Our book was written by God Almighty, Creator of the universe. Are you so empty-headed as to imagine that some anonymous story on the interwebs is equivalent to Gods Holy Word?

                              How DARE you doubt God!?
                              Who Will Jesus Damn?

                              Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                              Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                              Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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