A God of Change?

[Kantus]

Right. I suppose it's safe to assume many of you have at least read a portion of the Bible. Well, so have I, and I noticed something that has me puzzled. Perhaps one of you can offer an insight into this...

You see, I noticed quite quickly that the God of the Old Testament is a very angry and violent God, often calling his servants to kill thousands upon thousands just so His way can be made for His children. Or, He simply resorts to fire and brimstone, burning all that stands in His way.

But then we reach the New Testament, and all of the sudden, God is all peaceful. He wants only to forgive His children, to save them from their suffering, even sending His own son to suffer and die, so that He may work among His people, healing the ill and spreading the Word.

My question is, why the change? Obviously the old ways from the Old Testament got things done in short order. Sure, a lot of people had to die, but they were evil anyway, so it's all good. Perhaps He found a flaw in his violent methods that He decided to remedy. But, then again, God is infallible, so there couldn't have been anything wrong and, therefore, no reason to change.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A God of Change?

Right. I suppose it's safe to assume many of you have at least read a portion of the Bible. Well, so have I, and I noticed something that has me puzzled. Perhaps one of you can offer an insight into this...

You see, I noticed quite quickly that the God of the Old Testament is a very angry and violent God, often calling his servants to kill thousands upon thousands just so His way can be made for His children. Or, He simply resorts to fire and brimstone, burning all that stands in His way.

But then we reach the New Testament, and all of the sudden, God is all peaceful. He wants only to forgive His children, to save them from their suffering, even sending His own son to suffer and die, so that He may work among His people, healing the ill and spreading the Word.

My question is, why the change? Obviously the old ways from the Old Testament got things done in short order. Sure, a lot of people had to die, but they were evil anyway, so it's all good. Perhaps He found a flaw in his violent methods that He decided to remedy. But, then again, God is infallible, so there couldn't have been anything wrong and, therefore, no reason to change.

You are obviously not a Christian, so I wonder why you even care.

Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not.

[Kantus]

Re: A God of Change?

*points*

Ah-ha! So we have it in writing that God does not change! Yet we see it happen in the very same book that quote came from. Strange, isn't it?

But I'm curious as to what you think. What do you make of the obvious contradiction you so readily pointed out?

[Wide-Open]

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Ah-ha! So we have it in writing that God does not change!

Indeed.

Yet we see it happen in the very same book that quote came from.

No we don't.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Strange, isn't it?

It's only strange to people who have never read the Bible.

[Kantus]

Re: A God of Change?

Well of course you'd pick Revelations to find a New Testament quote regarding God being violent. And I'd be a fool to say you're anything but correct in that example. Indeed, perhaps it's merely a case of God deciding to do things differently, not because His previous methods were wrong, but because He simply wants to.

Another thought. I've noticed a single version of the Bible seems to permeate this forum; the KJV.

I can't help but wonder why a bunch of hardcore purists like yourselves even tolerate versions translated by man from the original scripts? Remember, man is imperfect, and any version of the Bible not handed down directly from God to a chosen writer must obviously contain flaws.

[Wide-Open]

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Well of course you'd pick Revelations to find a New Testament quote regarding God being violent. And I'd be a fool to say you're anything but correct in that example. Indeed, perhaps it's merely a case of God deciding to do things differently, not because His previous methods were wrong, but because He simply wants to.

That's a very elaborate way of telling me you were wrong.

Another thought. I've noticed a single version of the Bible seems to permeate this forum; the KJV.

The Only True Bible!

I can't help but wonder why a bunch of hardcore purists like yourselves even tolerate versions translated by man from the original scripts? Remember, man is imperfect, and any version of the Bible not handed down directly from God to a chosen writer must obviously contain flaws.

Do you really think that God would have allowed King James to make mistakes? Do you really think God is a wimp (sorry Lord ), and not all powerful?

There are NO mistakes in the KJ1611 Authorized Version.

You are not really a Christian are you?

[Kantus]

Re: A God of Change?

Wrong in the single case that was pointed out, but yes, still wrong. I'll tell you what. Go through the whole Bible and count how many times in each Testament God does something violent and vengeful. See what you get, and then come back here and tell me I'm wrong again.

I'm a Christian by my own personal definition.

Moses made mistakes. What makes King James any different?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A God of Change?

Please take a look at my sermon HERE on the subject of ways to tell which Bible is the one True Word of God. Everything is backed up with Scripture.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enters you while you read.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A God of Change?

Wrong in the single case that was pointed out, but yes, still wrong. I'll tell you what. Go through the whole Bible and count how many times in each Testament God does something violent and vengeful. See what you get, and then come back here and tell me I'm wrong again.

When God does it, it's not violent.

Please show us where the Bible says that we should ignore certain parts.

I'm a Christian by my own personal definition.

2 Peter 1:20: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[Wide-Open]

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See what you get, and then come back here and tell me I'm wrong again.

Is it me, or are you trying to order me around?

[Kantus]

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So you're saying that the original scripts handed down by God Himself are less relevant than a version translated by and English king some 1600 years later? I'm afraid I don't understand.

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: A God of Change?

Why do you say that God is no longer "violent" in the New Testament? Correct me if I'm wrong (Pastors I mean, not you Kantus) but the New Testament is mostly an account of the life and miracles of Jesus Christ. Just because the focus isn't on the wrath of God doesn't mean there isn't wrath to be had.

Even today we can still see God's vengeful streak as His nation marches through the Holy Land send mudslimes to Hell right and left.

Remember, just because you don't see something, it doesn't mean it isn't getting ready to smite you when you least expect it.

[Nobar King]

Re: A God of Change?

I googled Kantus:

Background

The Kantus are Locust priests/monks who are the ruling caste just beneath the Queen herself. They are used to communicate around the Hollow by using their powerful screeches, and as medics on the field. They wield a Gorgon Burst Pistol and use Ink Grenades on occasion. They have special abilities that give them the power to revive downed Locust soldiers and they can also spawn Tickers on the battlefield. They may also be able to use this scream to control the Rift Worm as their leader Skorge can. They wear a mixture of robes and combat armor which seems to be attach to small rings bounded into their skin, alongside a crown-like helmet for protection. Kantus' hands look as though they are bleeding but they're not. Kantus are usually found underground in the hollow and rarely seen on the surface of Sera.

It has been discovered during Operation Hollow Storm that the Kantus create scrolls made of Human skin.

You need to stop playing evil video games and get right with Jesus, sinner!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A God of Change?

So you're saying that the original scripts handed down by God Himself are less relevant than a version translated by and English king some 1600 years later? I'm afraid I don't understand.

You clearly didn't read the sermon I linked to, did you.

This is not a debate forum, pal. Don't come in here thinking that we're pushovers just because we worship Jesus.

[Kantus]

Re: A God of Change?

I googled Kantus:You need to stop playing evil video games and get right with Jesus, sinner!

You're obviously the most intelligent person on this entire forum, so I'm going to take the time to say this hoping you'll at least see the logic.

Fact: Many video games feature demons, devils, and other such putrid evils.

But who, pray tell, is tasked to combat these evils? The player, that's who. In a safe, harmless simulation, a player may take up arms, literally, in the name of God to combat evil and protect what is right and good. You're fighting on God's side.