Moon God

[shert]

I heard a lot of "blah blah blah" about Muslims being Moon worshipers. Here is a proof SalvationSeeker came up with to prove that: I quote his proof:

"Moon worship was praticed in the arabic world thousands of years before Islam, and can you guess which was the symbol for this pagan belief?
A crescent moon.

The Kaba in Mecca was originally a place of pagan worship, where they worshipped a "god" named Hubal..
A moon god.

Muslims pray in Mecca around the Kaba and towards Mecca (the Kaba), and try to kiss or touch the stone:
EXACTLY THE SAME RITES as the pagans who worshipped Hubal did.

Hubal was, as all tribal "gods" in those days, usually referred to as al-ilah..
Does that sound familiar to something else? old

Before Moohamhead, not a single person claimed that the Kaba belonged to anyone but Hubal, that is a moon god.

Ramadan, very important for you muslims, and has everything to do with the moon..
Even admitted so by you islamists themselves:
"The much-anticipated start of the month is based on a combination of physical sightings of the moon and astronomical calculations."
http://msa.union.rpi.edu/islamicreso...sofRamadan.htm

You may say what you want, but hard fact & reality speaks against you.
Your religion originated in pagan moon worship and then Moohamhead simply reconstructed a few things, stole some Christian and jewish concepts..
And turned one of the tribal gods into a monethistic one."

Anymore proofs before I start responding.

Googling and linking websites is something I am not going to respond too. If you read it, then post about it instead of linking it.

[Sista Lateefah]

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Googling and linking websites is something I am not going to respond too. If you read it, then post about it instead of linking it.

He had only done did linked to one website, and that one website did not even have that much on it to say! I doubt that it took me five minutes to read it all... heck, it probably din't even take me four minutes to read it. And do it really be that laborious to click on a website? Nuh uh. You can't even use laziness as an excuse. So he had only posted one website and that one website coulda been read in a coupla minutes, and what I think is, you had done read it, but you din't like what it said so you decided to act like a chile up in here: "I don't like what it say, so I just gonna pretend it do not exist!"

Shoot, that do not be the way to debate. It just kill your credibilitities right there, though it do not surprise me that you has no debating skills. If somebody disagree with yo ignant behind over there in turban land, you probably just shoots them dead. How do it feel to be clowned on by a lady? I bet yo brown little face just be turnin' red as a beet over it! I don't be talklin' back to no man of God, but as far as I's concerned, you's a man of Satan, so you's fair game! I bet you do not be used to that from a womens, with yo womens all wrapped up like mummies over there. Yo womens gonna be talkin' 'bout "loolooloooloooloooallahahahahallaaaah" Soundin' like a buncha turkeys up in there. You's ignant. Comin' up in here talkin' 'bout you ain't gonna respond to arguments just because you don't feel like it... that's a one (out of ten) for you!

You need to hurry up and get Saved©. Repent of yo moon worshipin' ignance while there still time! Otherwise, I's plannin' on sittin' on a cloud in heaven, roastin' a marshmellow on the hellfire flames that's burnin' you up for eternity.... ooo LORD, I bet that's gonna be a funny sight! Praise Jesus!

[shert]

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He had only done did linked to one website, and that one website did not even have that much on it to say! I doubt that it took me five minutes to read it all... heck, it probably din't even take me four minutes to read it. And do it really be that laborious to click on a website? Nuh uh. You can't even use laziness as an excuse. So he had only posted one website and that one website coulda been read in a coupla minutes, and what I think is, you had done read it, but you din't like what it said so you decided to act like a chile up in here: "I don't like what it say, so I just gonna pretend it do not exist!"

Shoot, that do not be the way to debate. It just kill your credibilitities right there, though it do not surprise me that you has no debating skills. If somebody disagree with yo ignant behind over there in turban land, you probably just shoots them dead. How do it feel to be clowned on by a lady? I bet yo brown little face just be turnin' red as a beet over it! I don't be talklin' back to no man of God, but as far as I's concerned, you's a man of Satan, so you's fair game! I bet you do not be used to that from a womens, with yo womens all wrapped up like mummies over there. Yo womens gonna be talkin' 'bout "loolooloooloooloooallahahahahallaaaah" Soundin' like a buncha turkeys up in there. You's ignant. Comin' up in here talkin' 'bout you ain't gonna respond to arguments just because you don't feel like it... that's a one (out of ten) for you!

You need to hurry up and get Saved©. Repent of yo moon worshipin' ignance while there still time! Otherwise, I's plannin' on sittin' on a cloud in heaven, roastin' a marshmellow on the hellfire flames that's burnin' you up for eternity.... ooo LORD, I bet that's gonna be a funny sight! Praise Jesus!

I am sorry, I need a translator here.

Also, I am waiting for EVERYONE who claims that Muslims worship a moon God to post his or HER proofs in Real English, so I can respond to them.

However, I get a feeling that no one will do so fearing that your arguments will go down the drain!! You guys are just in a habit to believe everything bad about other religions, and you don't like anyone who prove you wrong.

In my case, I would like you to prove me wrong so I can choose the right religion. So, please prove to me that I am worshiping a moon god!!

[SalvationSeeker]

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Also, I am waiting for EVERYONE who claims that Muslims worship a moon God to post his or HER proofs in Real English, so I can respond to them.

However, I get a feeling that no one will do so fearing that your arguments will go down the drain!! You guys are just in a habit to believe everything bad about other religions, and you don't like anyone who prove you wrong.

In my case, I would like you to prove me wrong so I can choose the right religion. So, please prove to me that I am worshiping a moon god!!

We've posted evidence of it just about everywhere we've been talking to you..
Did you even read what I wrote, that which you quoted here?
How could you ever deny that Islam has to do with moon-worship when the proof is so overwhelming?

And here's another thing, how could you NOT consider yourselves idolizers when you bow down to a rock in Mecca?
The Bible however, is FULL of warnings against bowing down to any object!

So we're the ones here who worship the true God and follow His infallible Word!
Being truth, nobody could ever disprove it. (But many has tried and failed.)
Praise GOD!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I am sorry, I need a translator here.

Listen you racist heathen! How DARE you attack sister Lateefah just because she is an ex-nigress. I had heard that you diaperheads were a bunch of racist bigots, but I am shocked to hear such an attack on our Godly forum.

She speaks better English than you do, camel lover.

[Deaner]

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So, please prove to me that I am worshiping a moon god!!

You strap bombs to your bodies and blow yourselves up. You're not exactly worshipping Einstein.

[Brother Samuel]

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I am somewhat of an amateur theologian myself, and after doing some research, I found the following picture below. Islam said it adopted that picture as its new symbol. I wouldn't believe it though. The information came from Wickerpedia so it can never be trusted.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I am somewhat of an amateur theologian myself, and after doing some research, I found the following picture below. Islam said it adopted that picture as its new symbol. I wouldn't believe it though. The information came from Wickerpedia so it can never be trusted.

Well now to me, that looks like an onion with a moon on a stick, flanked by the nucular warhead missles they wish they had. The only thing missing there is a camel being sodomized by moohamad.

[Warrior in Christ]

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Well now to me, that looks like an onion with a moon on a stick, flanked by the nucular warhead missles they wish they had. The only thing missing there is a camel being sodomized by moohamad.

Brother, I agree with you completely. It just puzzles me that the mooslums worship an onion.... I understand the missiles, I suppose it's every sand nigras dream to blow up. I mean, they HAVE proven it themselves time and time again. But an onion Brother??? Why do they worship it?

[Brother Samuel]

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Brother, I agree with you completely. It just puzzles me that the mooslums worship an onion.... I understand the missiles, I suppose it's every sand nigras dream to blow up. I mean, they HAVE proven it themselves time and time again. But an onion Brother??? Why do they worship it?

Probably because it's the only thing that will grow out in the desert. Besides, it smells so familiar...

[OnYourKnees]

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How about some of the actual moon-god research?

Isn't that the point of this thread?

Here's a starting point, from THIS page:

Muhammad learned monotheism from Christians

Muslims today believe the myth that Muhammad introduced monotheism to the area around Mecca and Arabia in general. The truth is that Muhammad got tired of the Christians constantly preaching monotheism to him fellow Arabs, knowing in his heart, that they were correct in their criticism of Arab paganism. There can be little doubt that Christians, in their evangelism of the are around Mecca, charged the Arabs with paganism and polytheism. Christians criticized those worshipping 260 pagan gods at the Kabah and offered Christianity as a far superior monotheistic religion. In his heart, Muhammad knew the Christians were right and had a better religion of monotheism. But some Muslims today, are totally ignorant of the fact that monotheism was widely preached before, during and after the rise of Muhammad, by the Christians. It was a well known theology and the Arabs were familiar with it. Amazingly, today Muslims criticize as polytheists, the very one’s who taught Muhammad about monotheism! By the time Muhammad came along, the pagan Arabs were ripe for conversion to Monotheism because of the preaching of Christians.

Muhammad was only one of several preachers of monotheism in the Arabia of his day. (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85)

The milieu of the prophet was not one, however, of polytheistic paganism untouched by any other influences. As in South Arabia, so too in North the monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity had long since become known. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)

The old Arabian paganism was at that time in a process of disintegration, but Judaism and Christianity were widely represented in the peninsula, and to a lesser extent Zoro-astrianism and certain Gnostic sects. Several preachers of monotheism had arisen and each had gained a following, but it was Muhammad who succeeded in syncretizing certain basic elements of Judaeo-Christian faith and practice with native Arabian beliefs and, by his own burning faith in his mission and indomitable courage in carrying out that mission, initiated what has become one of the world religions of our day. (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p xi-xiv)

It seems equally certain that Allah was not merely a god in Mecca but was widely regarded as the "high god," the chief and head of the Meccan pantheon, perhaps the result, as has been argued, of a natural progression toward henotheism or of the growing influence of Jews and Christians in the peninsula." (The Hajj, F. E. Peters, p 3-41, 1994)

Please note that these are selected quotes from that page.

Here is another page for you:

Allah, the moon god of the Kaba:
There are a number of scholars who believe that Allah, was originally the name of the moon god of Northern Arabia. It is important to remember that the word "Allah" simply means "the god" and corresponds to "ho theos" in the Greek New Testament as "the God" which refers to the Father in John 1:1 and the Son in John 20:28 and Heb 1:8. What is interesting is that Hubal was the top pagan moon god of the Kabah. So Allah is the generic and Hubal, may have been the actual name, in the same way that "the God" is generic and "Jehovah" is the name. The Arabs may have referred to "Hubal" as "Allah", just like Jews would refer to "Jehovah" as "The God".

1. "Allah, the Supreme Being of the Mussulmans: Before Islam. That the Arabs, before the time of Muhammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called Allah,--"the Ilah, or the god, if the form is of genuine Arabic source; if of Aramaic, from Alaha, "the god"—seems absolutely certain. Whether he was an abstraction or a development from some individual god, such as Hubal, need not here be considered...But they also recognized and tended to worship more fervently and directly other strictly subordinate gods...It is certain that they regarded particular deities (mentioned in 1iii. 19-20 are al-‘Uzza, Manat or Manah, al-Lat’; some have interpreted vii, 179 as a reference to a perversion of Allah to Allat as daughters of Allah (vi. 100; xvi, 59; xxxvii, 149; 1iii, 21); they also asserted that he had sons (vi. 100)..."There was no god save Allah". This meant, for Muhammed and the Meccans, that of all the gods whom they worshipped, Allah was the only real deity. It took no account of the nature of God in the abstract, only of the personal position of Allah. ...ilah, the common noun from which Allah is probably derived..." (First Encyclopedia of Islam, E.J. Brill, 1987, Islam, p. 302)
2. Allah. Islamic name for God. Is derived from Semitic El, and [Allah] originally applied to the Moon; he [Allah] seems to have been preceded by Ilmaqah, the Moon-god. Allat is the female counterpart of Allah. (Everyman’s Dictionary of Non-Classical Mythology, Egerton Sykes, Godspeed, Allah)
3. The Bedouin's astral beliefs centred upon the moon, in whose light he grazed his flocks. Moon-worship implies a pastoral society, whereas sun-worship represents a later agricultural stage. In our own day the Moslem Ruwalah Bedouins imagine that their life is regulated by the moon, which condenses the water vapours, distils the beneficent dew on the pasture and makes possible the growth of plants. On the other hand the sun, as they believe, would like to destroy the Bedouins as well as all animal and plant life. (History Of The Arabs, Philip K. Hitti, 1937, p 96-101)
4. There are stories in the Sira of pagan Meccan praying to Allah while standing beside the image of Hubal. (Muhammad's Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, Chapter 3: Religion In Pre-Islamic Arabia, p26-45)
5. "The relation of this name, which in Babylonia and Assyrian became a generic term simply meaning ‘god’, to the Arabian Ilah familiar to us in the form Allah, which is compounded of al, the definite article, and Ilah by eliding the vowel ‘i’, is not clear. Some scholars trace the name to the South Arabian Ilah, a title of the Moon god, but this is a matter of antiquarian interest" (Islam, Alfred Guillaume, 1956, p 6-7)
6. "The first pre-Islamic inscription discovered in Dhofar Province, Oman, this bronze plaque, deciphered by Dr. Albert Jamme, dates from about the second century A.D. and gives the name of the Hadramaut moon good Sin and the name Sumhuram, a long-lost city....The moon was the chief deity of all the early South Arabian kingdoms—particularly fitting in that region where the soft light of the moon brought the rest and cool winds of night as a relief from the blinding sun and scorching heat of day. In contrast to most of the old religions with which we are familiar, the moon god is male, while the sun god is his consort, a female. The third god of importance is their child, the male morning star, which we know as the planet Venus...The spice route riches brought them a standard of luxurious living inconceivable to the poverty-stricken South Arabian Bedouins of today. Like nearly all Semitic peoples they worshipped the moon, the sun, and the morning star. The chief god, the moon, was a male deity symbolized by the bull, and we found many carved bulls’ heads, with drains for the blood of sacrificed animals." (Qataban and Sheba, Wendell Phillips, 1955, p. 227)
7. "...a people of Arabia, of the race of the Joktanites...the Alilai living near the Red Sea in a district where gold is found; their name, children of the moon, so called from the worship of the moon, or Alilat." (Gesenius Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures, translated by Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, 1979, p. 367)
8. Allat, according to recent study of the complicated inspirational evidence, is believed to have been introduced into Arabia from Syria, and to have been the moon goddess of North Arabia. If this is the correct interpretation of her character, she corresponded to the moon deity of South Arabia, Almaqah, `Vadd, `Amm or Sin as he was called, the difference being only the oppositeness of gender. Mount Sinai (the name being an Arabic feminine form of Sin) would then have been one of the centers of the worship of this northern moon goddess. Similarly, al-`Uzza is supposed to have come from Sinai, and to have been the goddess of the planet Venus. As the moon and the evening star are associated in the heavens, so too were Allat and al-`Uzza together in religious belief, and so too are the crescent and star conjoined on the flags of Arab countries today. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)

I have left all the reference links and red text intact from the original page.

[shert]

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Thanks to all who posted in this topic, including those who use horrible sarcasm to prove themselves.

OnYourKnees & SalvationSeeker:
First, I went through your posts looking for Koran or Hadith quotes stating that Muslims follow a moon god. I found NONE.

Then I re-looked at these points you posted, I concluded the following proofs that Muslims worship a moon god.

Note: The links you posted indicated 260 idols around Ka'ba. Thats wrong, there were around 360 of them. All of them were destroyed by Mohammed.

1 - People of Arabia worshiped a moon God. SO!!
That doesn't make Muslims worship a moon God just because their ancestors did!! especially that you guys have failed to provide any Koran or Hadith quotes since Islam derives its laws from them.

2 - The name of Allah:
" The blessed name "Allaah" is derived from the Arabic verb alaha/ya’lahu/ma’looh [the root of which is the three letters alif, laam, haa’]. This verb includes the meaning of love as well as worship. Allaah is the One Who is loved, glorified and feared by the believers, and they put their hope in Him."

3 - The moon symbol on mosques. SO!!
Can I say Christians worship crosses?? Because their life is full of it??
Can I say Christians worship colored glass!! Just because most, if not all, churches are decorated with it!!

The moon or crescent is meant for decoration. It has no holy value whatsoever.

4 - Muslims observe the month of Ramadan based on the moon cycle. SO!!
Muslims use the moon to determine the months of the year, does that make them worship the moon!!
Chinese people use the moon to determine the months of their year, does that make them worship the moon!!
And if I am not mistaken, the month January to December is based on the Sun. Does that make you worship the sun!!

5 - Allah Vs. Ilah:
This is matter of Arabic language. You see Allah is a name, Ilah is a noun meaning God. When you want to say "The God", you add "Al". So, the God translates to "Alilah".
And surely there were many of the "The God" or "Alilah" before Islam, but none were named Allah.

6 - Arabs were pagans and polytheists before Islam. SO!!

If I have missed any other points please say so.



Now, lets come to Christianity Deity.
We have the following entities:
The Father: He is a full God.
The Son: He is a full God.
The Holy Spirit: He or It is a full God.

The above three Gods co-exist. They communicate with each others. Each single one of them is referred to as a God.

After that, you guys say you are monotheists!! That you only worship one God.

I asked many Christians to explain this to me, they all ended up saying "We cannot explain, it is just a fact that you have to accept and believe in!!"
Well, sorry, I don't believe in something just because someone said so.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Now, lets come to Christianity Deity.
We have the following entities:
The Father: He is a full God.
The Son: He is a full God.
The Holy Spirit: He or It is a full God.

The above three Gods co-exist. They communicate with each others. Each single one of them is referred to as a God.

After that, you guys say you are monotheists!! That you only worship one God.

I asked many Christians to explain this to me, they all ended up saying "We cannot explain, it is just a fact that you have to accept and believe in!!"
Well, sorry, I don't believe in something just because someone said so.

Oh sweet Jesus! NOW you've done it!! If you EVER had ANY chance of escaping the fate of your tribe of towelheads, you have lost that chance now. You have committed the ONLY unforgivable sin!

Matthew 12:31-32
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Luke 12:10
But unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Seriously Mr. camel jockey; YOU are DAMNED by JESUS for stating that you refuse to believe in the Holy Ghost. You may as well go strap a bomb to yourself and run into the nearest mosque and pull the trigger boy. You are TOAST.

[virginWhore]

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am I believing my eyes, or does this site actually have an towel-head emoticon giving a BJ to a camel?


OMG, OMG, OMG.


TOO funny!


Excuse me, I've got to go....I just got an insatiable desire to brush my teeth.





vw

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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am I believing my eyes, or does this site actually have an towel-head emoticon giving a BJ to a camel?


OMG, OMG, OMG.


TOO funny!


Excuse me, I've got to go....I just got an insatiable desire to brush my teeth.





vw

I'll bet you are "overcome" with that feeling all the time....