[A Follower]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I refuse to read the King James bible, it is riddled with mistranslations. The original Hebrew word that described marry was Alma, and has sense been translated to the word virgin; but it's original meaning is young woman. And stating that none of us do any good is completely false. You should read this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...3411728_Church it was slightly surprising.

A typical atheist. You don't want to hear God's Word, but instead of having objective reasons for it, you just make up reasons that have no factual basis (or more likely, you stole the reason from some other ignorant atheist).

The New Testament was originally written in Greek, not in Hebrew. Any Hebrew NT is a translation. The only NT aside from the original that has no errors whatsoever is the KJV 1611.

Luke 1:34 clearly describes Mary as a virgin, she herself asks the angel how she can be pregnant when she has not known any man. In Greek it says εἶπεν δὲ Μαριὰμ πρὸς τὸν ἄγγελον· πῶς ἔσται τοῦτο, ἐπεὶ ἄνδρα οὐ γινώσκω.

ἄνδρα οὐ γινώσκω, obviously it is translated correctly, she has not known any man.

Your misdirection with the word alma is simply that, misdirection. It has no relevance to the virginity of Mary, nor is it likely to be mistranslated. Ask any Jew what alma means and he will say maiden or virgin. Either way the girl is virgin.

Now I have proven that your refusal to read the Bible is based on a lie you should evaluate whether you really don't want to read the Bible, or whether it is the Devil trying to persuade you, filling your head with lies. Instead of blindly refusing to read the Bible, why don't you read it first and then make up your mind. Reading it you will notice it is so perfect that you simply cannot cast it aside.

[rob9191]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Even if i am wrong about the mistranslation, (I don't mind being corrected, i believe it is part of learning.) there is still the fact that the idea of a virgin birth was the idea of pagans. Christianity was based upon pagan ideals and beliefs, so even if I'm incorrect (which i will admit i am at times.) there is still that fact. And by the way i have read the new international version of the bible. I have a question for you, if you don't mind answering. where is the proof that jesus was real? Please don't use the bible or Josephus as your proof.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Even if i am wrong about the mistranslation, (I don't mind being corrected, i believe it is part of learning.) there is still the fact that the idea of a virgin birth was the idea of pagans. Christianity was based upon pagan ideals and beliefs, so even if I'm incorrect (which i will admit i am at times.) there is still that fact. And by the way i have read the new international version of the bible.

And does the NIV claim Jesus was not born of a virgin?

No, of course not.

I have a question for you, if you don't mind answering. where is the proof that jesus was real? Please don't use the bible or Josephus as your proof.

Tacitus

Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite punishments on a class hated for their disgraceful acts, called Chrestians by the populace. Christ, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.

[rob9191]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Christ - "The anointed one". That is the meaning of Christ it's not a reference to Jesus. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

[athiesthater]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Christ - "The anointed one". That is the meaning of Christ it's not a reference to Jesus. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

you post a link to that liberal garbage and expect people to take you seriously? don't make me laugh

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Christ - "The anointed one". That is the meaning of Christ it's not a reference to Jesus. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

Gotcha. So it just happened to be someone with the title of Christ who was executed under Pilate's watch..

Do the mental gymnastics you atheists have to go through in your feeble attempts to prove Jesus didn't exist hurt you or do you get used to them?

[umm wut]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Wow um well first off I am an atheist and damn proud of it, so many people believe that atheist are immoral monsters that are going to hell for not believing in god. How are atheists the one's that are so immoral if were the one's that actually realize the wrong we've done and take responsibility of it?? All Christians do is act like if they say "I'm sorry" to a imaginable person, then everything is fine :\ no nothing is fine. You all are the most irresponsible fucktards in the world, just cause you ask for forgiveness doesn't mean you deserve it or earned it. It means you're a retard that believes in a magical guy named god, yeah well FUCK god. Their is NO FUCKING GOD! He is a make-believe character in a well know book called the bible. A book written by an evil man, filled with hate. First of all, Men and Woman are equal, or at least should be, their is nothing wrong with a woman or evil with a woman, nothing makes a man better than a woman unless that person has done good deeds. I swear, you type of christians disgust me, you are a racist, sexist, horrible group of people. What makes a White person better than a Black person? NOTHING, I honestly don't give a fuck what the bible says. Their is NOTHING a white person can do that a black person cannot do. You all are a curse upon this world, as bad as the Nazi's, why? You kill off those who you think are unworthy! You hate those you think are below you!! You all are no better than the Nazi's, you are a plague upon people. I used to be a christian, I believed that god loved us all, that he wanted us to do good in the world, but now whenever I read posts from websites like these, it fills me with disgust and sadness. What kind of god would kill off millions of innocent people, just because he didn't like them :\ god wants people that work on Sunday to be killed. He wants homosexuals and bisexuals to be killed. He wants all races besides whites to be killed off. If god "created" all of the universe then he created all of the different races of humans. Why not just not create blacks and asians? What kind of god would create another human race just to have them killed, raped, or enslaved? A tyrannical, Dictator. That's who. What I don't get is, who would decide to follow a god as freakish, hateful, and cruel as your god? Why do you all love him so much? He even fucking supports slavery, and you think that's OK? You, all the white people, are supposed to be "Holy", and "Perfect", well your not perfect, nor will you ever be until you give up on god. NO ONE THAT BELIEVES IN SLAVERY, SEXISM, RACISM, THE RIGHT TO RAPE WOMAN, THE RIGHT TO KILL OFF OTHER RACES, OR THE RIGHT TO KILL HOMOSEXUALS/BISEXUALS, WILL EVER BE PERFECT! If god does exist, then I hate him, I truly do, I will NEVER follow someone as EVIL as god. And I hope this changes some peoples perspective of your beliefs, or else you will be the ones that deserve eternal damnation. Good bye.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I hope this changes some peoples perspective of your beliefs, or else you will be the ones that deserve eternal damnation.

You made a loud whiny tl:dr rant about how much you hate God yet you don't believe in Him all to end it up with you claiming we will go to hell.

I can tell how much you don't believe in God.

You are just angry. What happened to make you hate the sweet baby Jesus so much?

[Scott123]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Hello,

I am in fact an atheist. I think there is some inaccuracies in your responses so i will honestly answer them to the best of my ability.

"All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals."

That's not true, i have met atheists who don't believe in evolution and i do believe in moral values. I think it is very important for morals to exist so society can function.

"Atheists try to shift the burden of proof unfairly upon theists (ie, atheists make the wild and unprovable claim that God does not exist, and then unfairly expect us Christians to prove that He DOES exist)"

In a counterclaim to that is it not unfair for you to tell us God exists and for us to disprove it? It seems like a two way sort of process.

"The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)"

There is no way i can dispute that. The Bible does say it is wrong.

"Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God. Of course, no Christian has ever doubted the existence of God."

I have said my myself on this forum that i have my doubts at times but i still wouldn't say i believe in God.

"Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along. Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise."

I don't read MSNBC so i know nothing about it. I could see this happening. I doubt EVERY atheist does it but i still could see it happening.

"Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists."

I am quite left wing but when Marx came up with Communism it's goal wasn't to dethrone religion. I support it in a way because i like the idea of everyone having equal rights. It's good in theory but communism can never be practical.

"Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical."

I don't see how this is a proof.

"Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own."

The universe is a very complex system. It's very easy to see why people think that God created it. I personally follow the big bang.

"a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree. There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history."

You say a lot of mass murders. That's not all, who are the others? I've already mentioned that we have morals. We live in society we have to respect the laws of it. Atheists and Christians have both commited a lot of murders. I don't really see how this is an issue.

"no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism."

Darwinism is the study of evolutionary theory. It has nothing to do with charity. I give to loads of charities myself. Children in Need, Cancer Research Foundation etc.

"I quote: "The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality" Despicable."

They are a christian organisation, they are obviously going to think those things. I don't really know what i can say about this. As atheists don't follow the bible we regard those things as okay (not all of us do regard those things as okay though - e.g. obscene sexual behaviour, gambling etc. atheists do think some of that stuff is wrong). As christians i can appreciate that you disagree with those things due to the bibles teaching.

"Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs."

First off that's the Big Bang Theory. Not all atheists believe that. Meaning that it isn't a core central belief within Atheism. There is in fact none. Also there is more to it than that.

"atheists don't believe in miracles, although many Christian philosophers disagree."

Depends on what you define as a miracle. I'd say things can be miracles but also down to probability. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this. Is everything down to chance or does God control everything? If that is the case then God does not allow free will.

"atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists."

Well they use things like the Big Bang to explain it.

"Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians. This is attributed to theists having something more to life for. Therefore, God exists."

This comes down to what the meaning of life is. Some say it's 42. I think that life is short so you should enjoy it. I try to live life to the fullest and doing the things i enjoy doing.

"Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)"

There is no proof that atheism can drive someone insane. What if a christian goes insane?

"Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself. Of course they would take the easy way out, not realizing like normal people that God sends suicide cases to hell. Also, developed nations also tend to have higher rates of both atheism and suicide, so we must conclude that technology and wealth are evil."

I don't think there is a trend between suicide rates and religion to be honest. I do agree that technology and wealth do lead to greed but i wouldn't say that it's evil. Technology is very important "Necessity is the mother of all invention" - Ester Boserup.

"Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil."

They are two opinions - not facts.

"many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive."

Please give an example.

"Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing."

Evidence for this please. Not all atheists believe in evolution

"Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them."

You must mean astrology (star signs?). Astrology is the study of the stars. Similar to following the North Star by the Wise Men to Bethlehem. Also evolution is regarded as rationalist theory.

"Some theologians say atheist is on the decline, therefore it is. However, this is no reason to lose caution of the atheist threat!"

Just because they say doesn't mean it's true. Their work isn't Gods word. I've actually heard that theism is on the decline especially in America.

"There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know? )"

There's anti-christian ones too. Who cares?

"there is a pro-atheist bias in the liberal controlled media, but as we know from stated above that atheism is on the decline, this hardly matters."

There will always be left wing politics.

"Causes of atheism (I quote): moral depravity, rebellion, superficiality, error, state churches, poor relationship with father, division in religion, learned times, peace, and prosperity, negative experiences with theists, scientism. "

Peace is a cause of atheism? You support war?! Why?

"atheists question why evil exists since God is good, but don't ask why good exists if God isn't real."

Good question. I suppose you could say that since morals have already been set out by the Bible and society is set up around it that they can reject God and base life on those morals?

"early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two."

Very true. Though christian scientists work may disagree with some of your beliefs. E.g. Gallileo was a monk and he proved that the sun was the centre of the solar system. Maybe you disagree with that? That's one example.

"Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist"

Good for him.

"Some Christian apologists have problems with the beliefs of Bertrand Russell "

Okay.

"Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates"

Win debates, doesn't mean they are right. Just as evolutionary biologists are not right if they win. A debate is based on who gives the better argument and not who is right or wrong.

"Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens."

Google that.

"atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior."

I've seen it done before. I've seen signs on buses trying to convert people to Christianity.

"Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists, therefore, I quote: "God is not 'dead' in academia; he returned to life in the 1960's and is now alive and well in his last academic stronghold, philosophy departments."

So what? That's philosophy which is not science or theology.

"atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God."

Why would we do that?

"atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history."

I could think of alot more evil ones.

"atheists make up a small percentage of the world population, therefore it is wrong."

I disagree, not that atheism is right but that just because a minority follows it that it's wrong.

"a lot of famous people said bad stuff about atheists"

Good for them. Famous people can also be atheists.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Hello,

I am in fact an atheist. I think there is some inaccuracies in your responses so i will honestly answer them to the best of my ability.

"All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals."

That's not true, i have met atheists who don't believe in evolution and i do believe in moral values. I think it is very important for morals to exist so society can function.

"Atheists try to shift the burden of proof unfairly upon theists (ie, atheists make the wild and unprovable claim that God does not exist, and then unfairly expect us Christians to prove that He DOES exist)"

In a counterclaim to that is it not unfair for you to tell us God exists and for us to disprove it? It seems like a two way sort of process.

"The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)"

There is no way i can dispute that. The Bible does say it is wrong.

"Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God. Of course, no Christian has ever doubted the existence of God."

I have said my myself on this forum that i have my doubts at times but i still wouldn't say i believe in God.

"Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along. Only liberal slimebags like MSNBC report otherwise."

I don't read MSNBC so i know nothing about it. I could see this happening. I doubt EVERY atheist does it but i still could see it happening.

"Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists."

I am quite left wing but when Marx came up with Communism it's goal wasn't to dethrone religion. I support it in a way because i like the idea of everyone having equal rights. It's good in theory but communism can never be practical.

"Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical."

I don't see how this is a proof.

"Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own."

The universe is a very complex system. It's very easy to see why people think that God created it. I personally follow the big bang.

"a lot of mass murderers were atheists, and all atheists, having no morality to guide them, are only a bad day away from going on a genocide spree. There have no exactly zero cases on Christian mass murderers throughout all of history."

You say a lot of mass murders. That's not all, who are the others? I've already mentioned that we have morals. We live in society we have to respect the laws of it. Atheists and Christians have both commited a lot of murders. I don't really see how this is an issue.

"no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism."

Darwinism is the study of evolutionary theory. It has nothing to do with charity. I give to loads of charities myself. Children in Need, Cancer Research Foundation etc.

"I quote: "The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality" Despicable."

They are a christian organisation, they are obviously going to think those things. I don't really know what i can say about this. As atheists don't follow the bible we regard those things as okay (not all of us do regard those things as okay though - e.g. obscene sexual behaviour, gambling etc. atheists do think some of that stuff is wrong). As christians i can appreciate that you disagree with those things due to the bibles teaching.

"Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs."

First off that's the Big Bang Theory. Not all atheists believe that. Meaning that it isn't a core central belief within Atheism. There is in fact none. Also there is more to it than that.

"atheists don't believe in miracles, although many Christian philosophers disagree."

Depends on what you define as a miracle. I'd say things can be miracles but also down to probability. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this. Is everything down to chance or does God control everything? If that is the case then God does not allow free will.

"atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists."

Well they use things like the Big Bang to explain it.

"Atheists have more mental and physical health problems than Christians. This is attributed to theists having something more to life for. Therefore, God exists."

This comes down to what the meaning of life is. Some say it's 42. I think that life is short so you should enjoy it. I try to live life to the fullest and doing the things i enjoy doing.

"Friedrich Nietzsche went crazy and was an atheist, therefore atheism drove him insane (although there is an ongoing debate on the matter...)"

There is no proof that atheism can drive someone insane. What if a christian goes insane?

"Countries with large numbers of atheists have higher suicide rates, therefore atheism makes you want to kill yourself. Of course they would take the easy way out, not realizing like normal people that God sends suicide cases to hell. Also, developed nations also tend to have higher rates of both atheism and suicide, so we must conclude that technology and wealth are evil."

I don't think there is a trend between suicide rates and religion to be honest. I do agree that technology and wealth do lead to greed but i wouldn't say that it's evil. Technology is very important "Necessity is the mother of all invention" - Ester Boserup.

"Sigmund Freud said religious belief was unhealthy, but many doctors think Freud is wrong, therefore atheism is evil."

They are two opinions - not facts.

"many famous atheists tell lies, therefore atheists are deceptive."

Please give an example.

"Fewer people believe now as opposed to x number of years ago (usually around twenty) in evolution, therefore evolutionary theory is wrong and by proxy atheism is wrong, since it's the same thing."

Evidence for this please. Not all atheists believe in evolution

"Non-Christians are more likely to believe in silly superstitions, like palm reading and astronomy (note: Non-Christian = atheist). Christians believe only in the cold, hard logical of the world around them."

You must mean astrology (star signs?). Astrology is the study of the stars. Similar to following the North Star by the Wise Men to Bethlehem. Also evolution is regarded as rationalist theory.

"Some theologians say atheist is on the decline, therefore it is. However, this is no reason to lose caution of the atheist threat!"

Just because they say doesn't mean it's true. Their work isn't Gods word. I've actually heard that theism is on the decline especially in America.

"There are a number of anti-atheist blogs (isn't that good to know? )"

There's anti-christian ones too. Who cares?

"there is a pro-atheist bias in the liberal controlled media, but as we know from stated above that atheism is on the decline, this hardly matters."

There will always be left wing politics.

"Causes of atheism (I quote): moral depravity, rebellion, superficiality, error, state churches, poor relationship with father, division in religion, learned times, peace, and prosperity, negative experiences with theists, scientism. "

Peace is a cause of atheism? You support war?! Why?

"atheists question why evil exists since God is good, but don't ask why good exists if God isn't real."

Good question. I suppose you could say that since morals have already been set out by the Bible and society is set up around it that they can reject God and base life on those morals?

"early scientists were Christian, therefore Christianity owns a monopoly on science and atheists are not allowed to say there is discrepancy between the beliefs in the two."

Very true. Though christian scientists work may disagree with some of your beliefs. E.g. Gallileo was a monk and he proved that the sun was the centre of the solar system. Maybe you disagree with that? That's one example.

"Sir Francis Bacon said he'd rather belief in any silly old legend then believe that God doesn't exist"

Good for him.

"Some Christian apologists have problems with the beliefs of Bertrand Russell "

Okay.

"Creation scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates"

Win debates, doesn't mean they are right. Just as evolutionary biologists are not right if they win. A debate is based on who gives the better argument and not who is right or wrong.

"Notable atheists have converted to Christianity. The reverse never happens."

Google that.

"atheists try to convert young people to atheism over the internet. Christians, of course, never stoop to such behavior."

I've seen it done before. I've seen signs on buses trying to convert people to Christianity.

"Nearly a quarter or a third of philosophy professors are theists, therefore, I quote: "God is not 'dead' in academia; he returned to life in the 1960's and is now alive and well in his last academic stronghold, philosophy departments."

So what? That's philosophy which is not science or theology.

"atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God."

Why would we do that?

"atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history."

I could think of alot more evil ones.

"atheists make up a small percentage of the world population, therefore it is wrong."

I disagree, not that atheism is right but that just because a minority follows it that it's wrong.

"a lot of famous people said bad stuff about atheists"

Good for them. Famous people can also be atheists.

tl;dr

Scott, whay do you hate God?

[Scott123]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

tl;dr

Scott, whay do you hate God?

Well i presume you didn't read the first post in this thread then.

I didn't say anything mentioning God.

I was merely correcting the inaccuracies written about atheism.

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I have no intention of arguing with any of you or debating to a degree - i am sure there will be some things said i will give my view on but i will not be spouting any hateful speech etc.

It is regarded as hateful speech.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Yes, Scott, Hating God is hateful speech.

What confuses me is you post the hateful speech and then complain when someone (like me) points it out.
You made it abundantly clear in your intro thread how you hate Jesus, your parents and grandparents. You also stated you needed help. It is obvious with all the hate you are spewing, you need no help from us or your pal Satan.

[Scott123]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Yes, Scott, Hating God is hateful speech.

What confuses me is you post the hateful speech and then complain when someone (like me) points it out.
You made it abundantly clear in your intro thread how you hate Jesus, your parents and grandparents. You also stated you needed help. It is obvious with all the hate you are spewing, you need no help from us or your pal Satan.

No, nothing i posted was hateful. I posted proper facts and not the propaganda that people on this board believe.

How is saying that atheists are idiots not hateful? Do you know what the word hateful means?

You are now also saying hateful things to me and insulting me and my family. I have just reported you. No one talks about my family in a hateful way.

Hateful:

• Eliciting or deserving hatred.
• Feeling or showing hatred; malevolent.

You have clearly showed hatred towards me. You have made a mockery of me and insulted my beliefs.

You are a poor excuse for a christian. I have seen what you have said in the threads here.

You know this commandment?

Do not take the name of the Lord in vain

The word retard is not politically correct and i find it fucking insulting especially considering how you've brought up my family and i have a mentally disabled brother. You fucking disgust me.

You are literally a subhuman. Not that any other people on this site are different.

I've showed this site to people and they can't even comprehend the shit you all have been saying. You are living your life like in the 17th century.

Evolution has been proven. The world is round. The Earth is not 6000 years old.

I came here willing to give you a chance but my credibility as a scientist would be lost if i claimed any of the stuff you have written here.

The whole website worries me and saddens me that people like you actually exist.

Don't even bother replying to this message because i will be long gone and will have this website blocked.

Enjoy your pathetic excuse of a life.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Scott, I have done none of those things you accuse me of. I never used a single word of Hate. But you certainly have. Even swearing at me.
I read someplace that when people start to call you names during a discussion, it is because they know what they are say is not true and have been caught in a lie.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

That's not true, i have met atheists who don't believe in evolution and i do believe in moral values. I think it is very important for morals to exist so society can function.

Atheists don't have morals. This means they can lie all the time, and they mostly do. Scott, stop lying to us.

In a counterclaim to that is it not unfair for you to tell us God exists and for us to disprove it? It seems like a two way sort of process.

No, it's not unfair, because we are right and you are the one's trying to shove delusion down our throats.

There is no way i can dispute that. The Bible does say it is wrong.

Amen!

I have said my myself on this forum that i have my doubts at times but i still wouldn't say i believe in God.

You wouldn't say it, but deep down you do.

I don't read MSNBC so i know nothing about it. I could see this happening. I doubt EVERY atheist does it but i still could see it happening.

EVERY atheist.
I am quite left wing but when Marx came up with Communism it's goal wasn't to dethrone religion. I support it in a way because i like the idea of everyone having equal rights. It's good in theory but communism can never be practical.

You like the idea of everyone having equal rights?! Just what Bible have you been reading?

I don't see how this is a proof.

It's not my fault if you can't see what's right in front of you.

The universe is a very complex system. It's very easy to see why people think that God created it. I personally follow the big bang.

Thank you for admitting that atheism is a religion which you follow.

You say a lot of mass murders. That's not all, who are the others? I've already mentioned that we have morals. We live in society we have to respect the laws of it. Atheists and Christians have both commited a lot of murders. I don't really see how this is an issue.

The others were Muslims, Catholics, Pagans, Agnostics, etc. Christians do not murder.

Darwinism is the study of evolutionary theory. It has nothing to do with charity. I give to loads of charities myself. Children in Need, Cancer Research Foundation etc.

You should read my post: Why atheists who do "good deeds" are even worse than regular ones

"The rules that we follow are for OUR benefit, not for God's. God is self-sufficient and is not in need of us. If we obey or disobey, it neither benefits God nor harms God.

However, God said in the Bible - “This people I have formed for myself; they shall declare my praise.” Isaiah 43:21.

So the purpose of our existence is to worship God. And God has explained to us HOW to worship Him. We worship God by praying and fasting and being charitable and doing the various good deeds. It is the rules/regulations that define for us which deeds are good and which are bad.

But it is important to note, that these actions are only worship if they are done with the intention of worship. Thus, an atheist who fasts and feeds the poor and cares for orphans, etc is not worshipping God by doing so. Rather, he is rebelling against God. Why? It is because he considers himself the authority who determines what is right and what is wrong. But God is the only One with that authority. And the atheist is rebelling against that."

They are a christian organisation, they are obviously going to think those things. I don't really know what i can say about this. As atheists don't follow the bible we regard those things as okay (not all of us do regard those things as okay though - e.g. obscene sexual behaviour, gambling etc. atheists do think some of that stuff is wrong). As christians i can appreciate that you disagree with those things due to the bibles teaching.

Christian organizations do not lie. If they said it, it's true.

First off that's the Big Bang Theory. Not all atheists believe that. Meaning that it isn't a core central belief within Atheism. There is in fact none. Also there is more to it than that.

No, all atheists believe in the big bang.

Depends on what you define as a miracle. I'd say things can be miracles but also down to probability. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this. Is everything down to chance or does God control everything? If that is the case then God does not allow free will.

Exactly right. There is NO free will. It's what the Bible teaches us

Well they use things like the Big Bang to explain it.

And you just said atheists don't believe in the big bang. Can't even keep your lies in order?

This comes down to what the meaning of life is. Some say it's 42. I think that life is short so you should enjoy it. I try to live life to the fullest and doing the things i enjoy doing.

Life is short. Hell is forever.

There is no proof that atheism can drive someone insane. What if a christian goes insane?

Christians don't go insane.

I don't think there is a trend between suicide rates and religion to be honest. I do agree that technology and wealth do lead to greed but i wouldn't say that it's evil. Technology is very important "Necessity is the mother of all invention" - Ester Boserup.

There is a trend, I just told you about it. Can't you read?

They are two opinions - not facts.

Yes, only one of those opinions is also a fact.

Please give an example.

All of them.

Evidence for this please. Not all atheists believe in evolution

Yes, they do.

You must mean astrology (star signs?). Astrology is the study of the stars. Similar to following the North Star by the Wise Men to Bethlehem. Also evolution is regarded as rationalist theory.

Evolution is a ridiculous fairy tale with no evidence whatsoever.

Just because they say doesn't mean it's true. Their work isn't Gods word. I've actually heard that theism is on the decline especially in America.

Christians do not lie.

There's anti-christian ones too. Who cares?

Everyone with a brain.

There will always be left wing politics.

Thanks for admitting that ALL liberals are atheists.

Peace is a cause of atheism? You support war?! Why?

You should read my post: Christians Against Peace!

" No posts supporting issues on pacifism: Continuous wars will exist on this planet until the Prince of Peace establishes His Kingdom on earth, and only after a great and bloody war that Jesus Himself will wage against His enemies. Laws and governments (with armies) are established to restrain evil, if left unrestrained, evil would take overtake peaceful countries, including "pacifists". "Pacifist Christians" would be persecuted, oppressed, slaughtered... Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he bears not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that practices evil. With this issue settled, pacifist ideals and liberal positions, which are weakening this country, are not necessary nor allowed on this board."

Good question. I suppose you could say that since morals have already been set out by the Bible and society is set up around it that they can reject God and base life on those morals?

Um, GOD wrote the Bible. What you write makes no sense.

Very true. Though christian scientists work may disagree with some of your beliefs. E.g. Gallileo was a monk and he proved that the sun was the centre of the solar system. Maybe you disagree with that? That's one example.

Galileo was a catholic, not a real Christian.

Good for him.

Amen!

Okay.

Good to know you agree.

Win debates, doesn't mean they are right. Just as evolutionary biologists are not right if they win. A debate is based on who gives the better argument and not who is right or wrong.

Wrong.

Google that.

I don't use that evil search engine. Totally evil Google wants to replace God!

I've seen it done before. I've seen signs on buses trying to convert people to Christianity.

I meant Christians don't try to convert children to lies and make-believe. We only spread the truth of God.

Why would we do that?

Because your master Satan tells you to?

I could think of alot more evil ones.

For you, more evil things would probably be people attending church and living decent lives.

I disagree, not that atheism is right but that just because a minority follows it that it's wrong.

I'm glad at you you agree atheism isn't right.

Good for them. Famous people can also be atheists.

And they go to hell.