[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Evolution

Bollocks. Another Xian moron who doesn't understand Darwinism. "The Origin of the Species", and the origin of life and the universe itself are two quite different problems. Darwinisim, or the theory of Evolution is about one but not the other. This is a typical creationist misconception or distortion.

No.
Scientists try to REPLACE creationism with evolution.
And they do believe that life "evolved" from dead objects.

BTW both Xianity and Science require, in a sense, the creation of "something" out of "nothing", but our very concepts of "nothing" and "something" are possibly too crude to be helpful when dealing with problems of cosmology.

Either the universe had a beginning or it has always (atleast in part) existed.
There are no alternatives.

If the universe had a beginning, then how could any sane person actually believe that nothing exploded into something? (as in the big bang.)
GOD creating it is the only thing that makes sense.
And if instead, you believe that the universe has always existed, then WHY couldn't God have?
(Since you humanists often ask stupid questions like "who created god?"..)


And do give us your 'evidence' of why God is implausible, oh great one.

[Hairy Homer]

Re: Evolution

No.
Scientists try to REPLACE creationism with evolution.
And they do believe that life "evolved" from dead objects.



Either the universe had a beginning or it has always (atleast in part) existed.
There are no alternatives.

If the universe had a beginning, then how could any sane person actually believe that nothing exploded into something? (as in the big bang.)
GOD creating it is the only thing that makes sense.
And if instead, you believe that the universe has always existed, then WHY couldn't God have?
(Since you humanists often ask stupid questions like "who created god?"..)


And do give us your 'evidence' of why God is implausible, oh great one.

Sorry, the evolution of the species -- get it "species" -- is not about the origins of life itself or the origins of the universe. The Big Bang Theory is not part of evolutionary theory -- evolutionary theory is about species evolviing.

Yes, some scientists believe that life came from what you call "dead" objects. But the distinction between living and dead is not as great as you seem to think. There are even some who believe that the universe itself is a living sentient 'thing'. Recent developments in quantum theory and quantum mechanics seem to lead to this idea.

If the universe had a beginning, then how could any sane person actually believe that nothing exploded into something? (as in the big bang.)

If you had kept up with recent science you would know that a lot of research has been done into detecting signals and other information about what was happening just before the Big Bang.

The Big Bang theory may be described as describing the "beginning of the universe", but has never been meant to rule out the existance of something else befrore that.

One notion is of an infinite universe that is continually expanding and contracting. It flies apart until it runs out of momentum or whatever, then falls back on itself causing another Big Bang, and so on forever.

But apart from that many sane people can just as well believe that the universe came from nothing as that God came from nothing.

>>>And if instead, you believe that the universe has always existed, then WHY couldn't God have? <<<

Exactly! Now you are starting to see sense. Both atheism and xianity depend on the same notions. Either God came from nothing or always existed; and either the universe came from nothing or always existed -- see?

So we don't need the concept of God to explain matters at all do we? If we believe in God we are faced with just the same problems as if we don't. There is hope for you yet SS, you are beginning to see the light.

And you are asking me for evidence that something is implausible? This is like asking for evidence that something doesn't exist.

You might as well ask me for evidence for my thinking that the stories about the easter bunny or santa claus are implausible.

Where does one start?

And didn't I say something about the xian god being implausible?

We must draw a sharp distinction between the likelyhood of a creator and the likelyhood of the xian god who created the earth in 6 days and created mankind knowing that they were going to sin and that he would send his son to die temporarily for them, but that he'd still send most of them to hell.

The implausibilty of the xian god lies in the implausibility of the bible. If you want evidence of the bible's contradictions and implausibilities read it; or go to one of the many sites available that will help you.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Evolution

Yes, some scientists believe that life came from what you call "dead" objects. But the distinction between living and dead is not as great as you seem to think. There are even some who believe that the universe itself is a living sentient 'thing'. Recent developments in quantum theory and quantum mechanics seem to lead to this idea.

The universe alive?
Are you a rock worshipper, just like SF by any chance?
Do you too believe that there are 'spirits' dwelling in every rock?

If you had kept up with recent science you would know that a lot of research has been done into detecting signals and other information about what was happening just before the Big Bang.

The Big Bang theory may be described as describing the "beginning of the universe", but has never been meant to rule out the existance of something else befrore that.

And that came from what?
Go all the way back and you'll see that the two alternatives I gave are the only ones available.

One notion is of an infinite universe that is continually expanding and contracting. It flies apart until it runs out of momentum or whatever, then falls back on itself causing another Big Bang, and so on forever.

But apart from that many sane people can just as well believe that the universe came from nothing as that God came from nothing.

No, God has always existed.
As is made obvious by your silly theories, such a notion isn't alien to scientists..
So obviously they refuse to recognize God simply because they're partial:
They hate God and WANT Him to be non-existant. That's all there is to it.

As for your last paragraph, yes and no.
You'd be stupid to think something could come from nothing, and being eternal is not the same as coming from nothing..
It means having no beginning, not having been created but always having existed.

Something MUST have always existed for anything to exist, and friend..
That 'something' is God allmighty! Glory!

Exactly! Now you are starting to see sense. Both atheism and xianity depend on the same notions. Either God came from nothing or always existed; and either the universe came from nothing or always existed -- see?

God has always existed, that's a fact. Just read the Bible!
The universe however, hasn't. Since it was created.

So we don't need the concept of God to explain matters at all do we? If we believe in God we are faced with just the same problems as if we don't. There is hope for you yet SS, you are beginning to see the light.

No, without belief in God, nothing makes sense at all.
And deep down you know it, you just refuse to acknowledge it.

And you are asking me for evidence that something is implausible? This is like asking for evidence that something doesn't exist.

Allright.. Show me something that makes you regard it as improbable then.
Admit it, you don't believe in God because you don't WANT to..
That's really all there is to.

We must draw a sharp distinction between the likelyhood of a creator and the likelyhood of the xian god who created the earth in 6 days and created mankind knowing that they were going to sin and that he would send his son to die temporarily for them, but that he'd still send most of them to hell.

Yes, that'd only make sense with the Christian God!
Thanks for providing more proof why He is the only possible Creator.
Glory!

The implausibilty of the xian god lies in the implausibility of the bible. If you want evidence of the bible's contradictions and implausibilities read it; or go to one of the many sites available that will help you.

Now now.. We both know I read the Bible.
And more than you too.. So I'd say that if there were any contradictions in it, I'd know it.
Or do you know the Bible better than us all of a sudden?

That there are contradictions in the Bible is a lie from the theologially uneducated, by those who cannot grasp it's glory.
The fact that they're too stupid & unsaved to understand the Bible: it doesn't mean that the problem lies in the Bible!

[Enobarbus]

Re: Evolution

The universe alive?
Are you a rock worshipper, just like SF by any chance?
Do you too believe that there are 'spirits' dwelling in every rock?

And that came from what?
Go all the way back and you'll see that the two alternatives I gave are the only ones available.

No, God has always existed.
As is made obvious by your silly theories, such a notion isn't alien to scientists..
So obviously they refuse to recognize God simply because they're partial:
They hate God and WANT Him to be non-existant. That's all there is to it.

As for your last paragraph, yes and no.
You'd be stupid to think something could come from nothing, and being eternal is not the same as coming from nothing..
It means having no beginning, not having been created but always having existed.

Something MUST have always existed for anything to exist, and friend..
That 'something' is God allmighty! Glory!



God has always existed, that's a fact. Just read the Bible!
The universe however, hasn't. Since it was created.



No, without belief in God, nothing makes sense at all.
And deep down you know it, you just refuse to acknowledge it.



Allright.. Show me something that makes you regard it as improbable then.
Admit it, you don't believe in God because you don't WANT to..
That's really all there is to.



Yes, that'd only make sense with the Christian God!
Thanks for providing more proof why He is the only possible Creator.
Glory!



Now now.. We both know I read the Bible.
And more than you too.. So I'd say that if there were any contradictions in it, I'd know it.
Or do you know the Bible better than us all of a sudden?

That there are contradictions in the Bible is a lie from the theologially uneducated, by those who cannot grasp it's glory.
The fact that they're too stupid & unsaved to understand the Bible: it doesn't mean that the problem lies in the Bible!

Amen Brother SS, well said. This Hairy Homer person may have some worldly wisdom -- some worldly wisdom, not great worldly wisdom (I have my doubts about whether he knows as much about science as he pretends to do) -- but it is of nought to God:

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Evolution

Bollocks. Another Xian moron who doesn't understand Darwinism. "The Origin of the Species", and the origin of life and the universe itself are two quite different problems. Darwinisim, or the theory of Evolution is about one but not the other. This is a typical creationist misconception or distortion.

I think he was confusing evolution with the primordial soup theory, Hairy. And that wasn't 'rock soup', it was more like 'bacteria soup'.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Evolution

I think he was confusing evolution with the primordial soup theory, Hairy. And that wasn't 'rock soup', it was more like 'bacteria soup'.

So evilutionists don't believe in primordial soup? And don't they claim that primordial soup is where the bacteria came from in the first place, and before that there was just rocks? A soup made from rocks sounds like rock soup to me.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Evolution

So evilutionists don't believe in primordial soup? And don't they claim that primordial soup is where the bacteria came from in the first place, and before that there was just rocks? A soup made from rocks sounds like rock soup to me.

Not every person who believes in evolution believes the primordial soup theory, however I'd say probably a great deal do.

And they are two separate issues. Evolution deals with how people and other animals became the way they currently are. The primordial soup theory deals with the origins of life on earth. Two separate things.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Evolution

Not every person who believes in evolution believes the primordial soup theory, however I'd say probably a great deal do.

And they are two separate issues. Evolution deals with how people and other animals became the way they currently are. The primordial soup theory deals with the origins of life on earth. Two separate things.

Maybe your grandparents were apes who slithered out of some slimey rock soup, but mine were Upstanding White Republican True Christian HUMAN BEINGS, created by Jesus Christ in His own image.

Your family reunions must be a hoot.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Evolution

Maybe your grandparents were apes who slithered out of some slimey rock soup, but mine were Upstanding White Republican True Christian HUMAN BEINGS, created by Jesus Christ in His own image.

Uhhh, sorry Zekey, but if my ancestors did come from 'bacteria/rock soup', then so did yours.

Your family reunions must be a hoot.

Yes, they go something like this:
'So, Uncle Smileball, how've you been?'
'Oh I'm good. And how's Rocky'?
'Oh, he's evolving. Any day now he'll turn into mush'
Sheeesh.