[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Research

You may accuse all you like Noah, i have no alterior motive, i ask a question in almost every post, allways posted in an unbiased fashion.

Bias and motive are different things. What exactly are you trying to achieve?

[Caboose]

Re: Research

No, the point that I am making is that anyone doing non-bias research in an EP or Clinical fashion - when following the basic rules of Standard Environment Guidelines - would know the importance of isolating yourself from your research materials.

You have alterior motives and are not here to do research is my point.

-ND

You may accuse all you like Noah, i have no alterior motive, i ask a question in almost every post, allways posted in an unbiased fashion.

[Noah Dint]

Re: Research

It's a forum, not an english essay, if thats the point your getting at Noah.

No, the point that I am making is that anyone doing non-bias research in an EP or Clinical fashion - when following the basic rules of Standard Environment Guidelines - would know the importance of isolating yourself from your research materials.

You have alterior motives and are not here to do research is my point.

-ND

[Caboose]

Re: Research

It's a forum, not an english essay, if thats the point your getting at Noah.

[Noah Dint]

Re: Research

"I am" - "I'd hate" - "looking upon my wife/daughter" - "wishing that i could" - "That, for me" - "When i die" - "i want" - "i dont want" - "I am contented" - "my beliefs"

Perhaps you need to go research yourself sir.

-ND

[Caboose]

Re: Research

Why not cut to the chase,what is it that you want. Research is not really it now is it!

i assure you wholeheartedly, it is.

If you believe i may be here for other reasons please state them, i shall do what i can to put your mind at ease.

others may come here and insult but that is not my wish. i infact have a statment that if i see a new post insulting you, i shall reply with.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Research

But are we not all free to determine our own lives?

If i do not wish to beleive in a god, am i not allowed to not have an afterlife?

If i wished to beleive, did not become a good christian, it would be my punishment to go to hell as god would have given me a chance.

if i was a good christian, then i would be allowed to heaven. as i held true to gods word.

But back to my first statment, because i do not believe, never have and never will, dont i just loose my right to an afterlife at all?

If im given a chance now to become a christian, follow gods word, then i accepted god. its up to me to be a good christian, but i dont, i dont want the chance to be affiliated to any relegion, i would just like to become worm food.

The Good Lord gave each and Every one of us free will, the choice to believe or not. Just He gave us the knowledge of right and wrong. Your faith, or belief in God is up to you. The results of your decisions are that of God


Your afterlife ( your soul) is determined by God and the life you have led. Be a True Christian(tm) you go to live at the side of Jesus. Reject Jesus, you all ready know now don't you.


Why not cut to the chase,what is it that you want. Research is not really it now is it!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Research

But are we not all free to determine our own lives?

Absolutely. God gave us free will.

If i do not wish to beleive in a god, am i not allowed to not have an afterlife?

Yes, you are entitled to an afterlife, in Hell.

If i wished to beleive, did not become a good christian, it would be my punishment to go to hell as god would have given me a chance.

Yes

if i was a good christian, then i would be allowed to heaven. as i held true to gods word.

Yes

But back to my first statment, because i do not believe, never have and never will, dont i just loose my right to an afterlife at all?

No, you get to go to Hell.

If im given a chance now to become a christian, follow gods word, then i accepted god. its up to me to be a good christian, but i dont, i dont want the chance to be affiliated to any relegion, i would just like to become worm food.

You become worm food no matter what. Your soul is what matters.
You cannot go to Heaven unless you follow God's word. You cannot just "wing it" and think you will go to heaven. Being a True Christian Baptist is a sure fire (and only) way to go to heaven.

[Caboose]

Re: Research

You see freiend, it is not your choice at this point, you will go to Hell. For all of your life you have been given the oppertinuty to accept Jesus as your Lord an savior, you have rejected his Love and Salvation. The decision on the location of your eternal exisatance is not yours to make. God will determine that for you.

But are we not all free to determine our own lives?

If i do not wish to beleive in a god, am i not allowed to not have an afterlife?

If i wished to beleive, did not become a good christian, it would be my punishment to go to hell as god would have given me a chance.

if i was a good christian, then i would be allowed to heaven. as i held true to gods word.

But back to my first statment, because i do not believe, never have and never will, dont i just loose my right to an afterlife at all?

If im given a chance now to become a christian, follow gods word, then i accepted god. its up to me to be a good christian, but i dont, i dont want the chance to be affiliated to any relegion, i would just like to become worm food.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Research

Forgive my persistance, but Abandonment, Rejection, which ever word you so choose. Still has to be Preceded by the ideal of Acceptance, agreement, which ever.

Other views i've been given on this matter consisted of nothing.

You close your eyes, you die, and you cease, there is no more.

The way this was explained was - When you go to sleep at night, you only know that you've been asleep because you wake up.

If you never woke up, you would never know you've been asleep. or, therefore dead. Coma patients do not know they were in a coma for *how ever long*. Untill they came around.

Is this not a posibility, to deny god, you have to beleive in there being a god?

Caboose

This is far from the truth
1) When you die, you go to Heaven if you are a True Christian(tm), otherwise you go to hell . Your body rots in the ground either way. It is the soul that matters.
2) When asleep, my mind remains active. Some people dream. I can awaken my mind while the rest of my body is asleep. I can hear and think lucidly. So being asleep is not like dying.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Research

I am happily contented at the fact that thats all that remains.

I'd hate to be in heaven or hell, peering up or down looking upon my wife/daughter, spending every second wishing that i could still be with them. That, for me, no matter what level i was on, would be hell...

When i die i want to close my eyes and never wake up, i dont want to be stuck some where for the rest of my eternal afterlife.

I am contented with my beliefs, just as you are with yours.

You see freiend, it is not your choice at this point, you will go to Hell. For all of your life you have been given the oppertinuty to accept Jesus as your Lord an savior, you have rejected his Love and Salvation. The decision on the location of your eternal exisatance is not yours to make. God will determine that for you.

[Caboose]

Re: Research

Do you reject the claim that 1 + 1 = 3? If so, can you tell me when you accepted it?.

As an aside, when people go to sleep at night, they don't lose consciousness, they enter a dream world.

Yes but 1+1=3 we know is incorrect, its fact that its =2.

Facts and belief are different, you have to put your heart, soul, mind and faith into belief. Facts... well their like Physics, you cant argue with physics. because... well their law

The subconcious takes over yes, but you must have had 1 night of sleep, your so tired you fall asleep, sleep like a log and wake up without dreaming at all. I do. All the time.

[GOD=life]

Re: Research

Still has to be Preceded by the ideal of Acceptance, agreement, which ever.

Do you reject the claim that 1 + 1 = 3? If so, can you tell me when you accepted it?

The way this was explained was - When you go to sleep at night, you only know that you've been asleep because you wake up.

Ah, but you assume a material reality and then construct a logical argument on top of that. Then you use sound reasoning to come to the conclusion that there is no God and/or higher plane of existence. But even though the argumentation is logical and rational, the conclusion is merely a re-iteration of the premise you started out with.

As an aside, when people go to sleep at night, they don't lose consciousness, they enter a dream world.

[Caboose]

Re: Research

I am happily contented at the fact that thats all that remains.

I'd hate to be in heaven or hell, peering up or down looking upon my wife/daughter, spending every second wishing that i could still be with them. That, for me, no matter what level i was on, would be hell...

When i die i want to close my eyes and never wake up, i dont want to be stuck some where for the rest of my eternal afterlife.

I am contented with my beliefs, just as you are with yours.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Research

It makes me so very sad to hear a person who has no faith in God. One who rejects the Word of our Lord. These non believers all think that when they die all that remains is a dirt nap. Death is just the beginning of a journey that will last for all eternity. When the die and are falling into the Pitts of Hell, I wonder if they have a change of heart? Unfortunately for them it's a bit too late. I read some where that some 90% of heathens get religion on their death beds, suddenly when confronted with the mortality of man, and the thought of HELL, they all want to change their ways and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. They have spent all of their life in sin, and then they all say OH crap, what have I done! They all ask to be forgiven for the very life they have led, one with out GOD!

Sad, very sad, they led a life of sin and never knew GOD. A wasted life doomed to eternity in HELL.